The Midas Touch - WOF ONLY PLEASE

dkbwarrior said:

You are correct. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

However, taking into account Truthfrees argument, which I agreed to above, I still have a problem with the statement overall. I personally would question whether anyone who believes "...that getting rich is the main focus of faith, that God's main concern is your material well-being, and that money is the true measure of spirituality" is even a part of the Body of Christ to begin with. In which case my larger point still stands. Why take a stand against something that doesn't exist to begin with.

The perception that this exists in the Body of Christ may be out there, but the reality is that it does not. What Kenneth Hagin is describing is someone that has put their faith in money instead of God. I would not describe that person as a Christian. Rather, I would describe them as one that needs to come to the cross and put their faith in Christ and become one.

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I wonder too how someone reborn by the Spirit of God could say and do the things they do.



When I read KH's words carefully, I can see the gist of what he's saying in the gimmicks of the preachers trying to get money out of people.

"There are people who are preaching that GETTING RICH is the MAIN FOCUS of faith, that God's MAIN CONCERN is your MATERIAL well-being, and that MONEY is the MEASURE of TRUE SPIRITUALITY."


I've heard non-wof preach a variation of these 3 points. The Pastor at a church I attended for 3 services actually said the following:

1. "Getting rich is something you need to get serious about so you can support the work of God. You need to be praying and diligently applying yourself to bringing the money into this ministry. If you're a part of this church, you need to do your part in financially supporting what we do here, and I don't mean throwing $25 in the offering plate and thinking this is all God requires of you."

2. "If you're not in the ministry you need to acquire as much wealth as you can and sacrificially support those who are in the ministry. We give everything we have to making this ministry glorify God. You need to give everything you have to financially support this ministry. Money in the bank is going to rust away if it's not invested in the kingdom of God. Are you going to store up treasure on earth, or invest it into God's kingdom. This is God's call on the life of every one who's not out there doing the work of the ministry. You're either called by God into the ministry, or called by God to bring in the finances."

3. "Wealth is a measure of where you're at spiritually. If you're right with God you should be wealthy, because the wealth of the wicked is handed over to the righteous. If you're poor you have sin in your life. You're one of the wicked, and what you have will be handed over to those of us who're faithful to the Lord."


In essence, these kind of statements by preachers trying to get you to give them huge offerings could be summed up in the 3 points KH made, because they do give you the impression that getting rich should be the main focus of your prayers and faith, causing you to believe that God's main concern is your material well-being, and if you're not pursuing and acquiring wealth, you're shirking your spiritual duty, making you a spiritual backslider.

I haven't heard every silly idea preached by money loving preachers, because I switch the channel, but KH's words seem to be a good approximation of the subliminal message these kind of preachers are giving.

And I'm sure he's heard a lot of stories over the years.

John: 12. 26. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. - Bible Offline

Well Harry that sounds good to me,but I used to be the watchman so you can blame the previous guy for our little rants tantrums,and jabs.

I may have misunderstood DBK on the concept,he stated he was by nature a debater.

Is this a study or debate?


Quote D.B.K.Let me approach it this way. I am a debater. I love to debate. But one debating technique that I hate is to misrepresent another's position UN Quote.