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We will be judged and the standard will be Gods 'law'. In Malchi it says that when jesus returns and rules He will teach Gods law to all nations. As for revelation you are wrong when you say there is no mention of the law or the jews, firstly you have 144,000 who are jews and then in Rev 12:17 "The dragon was infuriated over the woman and went off to fight the rest of her children, those who obey God's commands and bear witness to Jesus." and Rev 14:12 "This is when perseverance is needed on the part of God's people, those who observe His commands and exercise Jesus faithfulness. As for Pauls epistles, they have been quoted incorrectly for years and used to teach out of context. Rom 2:13 'For it is not merely the hearers of the Toah whom God considers righteous; rather, it is the doers of what Torah says who will be made righteous in God's sight."……..As for the law was fulfilled at the cross, ok, but since when does fullfilled mean done away with. What actually changed at the cross ? Throughout the bible we can see that God's covenants, although modified according to His will, were never negated, abolished or replaced ! For instance lets examine what happened when we received the New Covenant. The covenant changed, but the following did NOT :
* Torah (Gods law) (not to be confused with mans law added to it which put people into bondage *refer writings of paul)
*God's provisions
*The penalty for disobedience
*God's promises.

What did change ?
The Steward : Jesus is now the steward, relesing Moses of that responsibility, which fullfills the prophecy of Deut 18:18-19

The Torah/law Written On our Hearts : The Torah/law is presented and managed (not replaced - God never said He was replacing Torah/His Law) under a new covenant which is written on our hearts via the Holy Spirit which fullfills the prophecy of Jer 31:32 (the law written on our hearts means we are willing to follow Gods instructions and lear and obey His law; NOT that we are born with an innate knowledge about his teachings and commands which we can ignore at will!

* The Priest - No longer Aaronic now Melchizedek prophecy psalm 110:1-4

*The Sacrifice - no more animals Jesus was the final one psalm 40…….

As for Jesus, you need to remember that he was a law observant , sabbath observant, Synagogue attending, Kosher Jew. He also told us that He came only to Israel, not the gentiles. He spoke out not against HIS PEOPLE in general but the Pharasees who had manuipulated Gods Commandments/Law and had put the people in bondage. For many years after Jesus went to the Father, all believers or followers of the way were considered a sect of judism, sabbath observant, synagogue attending, christianity didnt come about until many many years later. So the christianity we profess to belong too actually was more jewsish than you probably realise.
 
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This is wrong on so many levels that I will just hit the highlights. The 144K of Revelation are not ethnic Israel. Their own history proves this to be false. In the days of Christ the ten northern tribes or the house of Israel did not exist. They had gone into Assyrian captivity and the few that returned intermingled with the surrounding peoples and broke the line that made them a distinctive tribe. Where are you going to find 12,000 members of Issachar or Zebulun or Dan? And then these tribes are said to be virgins as well. How would you propagate your own tribe without sex? This is the problem with an overly literal approach to scripture - many errors are made.

The entire book of Revelation is about the church or the body of Christ which comprise both Jewish and Gentile believers. In the seven churches we have clearly Jewish symbols being applied to the church. From the seven golden candlesticks to the overcomers being allowed to eat the hidden manna to the new Jerusalem being written in their foreheads. The 144K are the elect of God or the overcomers who take the everlasting gospel to the whole world. This is why they have the seal of God in their foreheads as opposed to the mark of the beast. There will only be two groups at the end with one group who are virgins because they have not committed spiritual fornication with the great harlot Babylon.

Lastly it is God's agape love that is written in the heart not the carnal commandments which were the hallmark of the failed covenant. God puts love into the fleshy tables of the heart because love is the fulfilling of the law (Rom. 10:13; Gal. 5:14). Your ideas on religion and prophecy sound very dispensational to me. Dispensationalists are so deceived that they actually reject the new covenant believing it is only for ethnic Israel. This is where an ultra literal approach to scripture will lead the ignorant - a rejection of the new covenant and the blood of Christ because they don't have the right flesh.
 
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The Failed Covenant. If you check scripture correctly you find that its not the 'new convenant and old covenant but actually the same, just a 'renewed convenient"…also the tribes off israel have not dissapeared, just assimilated over the years and will reappear, either way God knows who's who. Yes neither jew nor gentile, but one body, grafted into the vine ! The Netzaree branch. "Behold, the days come, says YHWH, that I will make a renewed (chadash) covenant (brit) with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was an husband unto them, says YHWH: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says YHWH, I will put my Torah in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know YHWH: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says YHWH: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
 
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Both Aramaic "khawdata" and Hebrew "chadasha" mean to renew, make anew or to repair. Notice how chadash has been translated in: 1 Sam. 11:14; 1 Chr. 15:8; 2 Chr. 24:4, 12; Job 10:17; Psalm 51:10; 103:5; 104:30; Isaiah 61:4; and Lamentations 5:21.

"You chadash (renew) your witnesses against me, and increase your indignation upon me; changes and war are against me." (Job 10:17)

"Create in me a clean heart, O Elohim; and chadash (renew) a right spirit within me."(Psalm 51:10)

Who satisfies your mouth with good things; so that your youth is chadash (renewed) like the eagle's." (Psalm 103: 4)

"Turn Thou us unto you, O YHWH, and we shall be turned; chadash (renew) our days as of old." (Lam. 5:21)
It is impossible in the context of these verses for chadash to mean "new." Isaiah 61:4 also uses chadash to refer to those in Mashiyach who: "...chadash (repair) the waste cities, the desolations of many generations." The word "chadash" is so instrumental to "replacement theology" that the James Strong's Concordance (a popular Christian resource), chose to give this term two reference numbers: renew #2318 and new #2319. Theologians have long used this term to steer "the church" away from Torah. As mentioned previously, Marcion, a post-apostolic church founder who was actually considered a heretic by the early Church, coined the terms "Old Testament" and "New Testament" (and Old covenant and New Covenant) suggesting, in effect, that the "new" replaced the "old." Polycarp referred to him as the "firstborn of the Devil," yet his false anti-Torah theology is still being honored by nearly every Christian on earth.

YHWH did not torture and kill His own son to establish the Renewed Covenant; it was man's religious "justice system" that put the perfection of Y'shua Mashiyach on the torture stake. If sin is condemned by means of the Commandment, how much more is it condemned by being responsible for putting to death YHWH's own likeness? Man's sin put Mashiyach on the torture stake; therefore, the Renewed Covenant upholds the Word of YHWH (Torah) which defines sin and love. "And walk in love; as the Mashiyach also has loved us and has given up himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to Elohim, for a sweet aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

The term and definition of "New Testament" is anti-Mashiyach; it was coined by a Christo-Pagan named Marcion who viewed Y'shua as akin to one of the Greek gods of his own culture. Marcion taught that the G-d of the Jews was an evil god of wrath, judgment and terror, but that Je-Zeus was a kind and loving god. Marcion coined the terms "Old and New Testament" to demarcate YHWH and Y'shua as two separate Gods who were at war with each other; hence, the dualism in Christian churches that use the terms Old and New Testament to uphold replacement and dispensational theology. The consequences of the fatal anti-Torah and anti-Mashiyach deception is very far reaching; so much so, in fact, that permissiveness of Covenant breaking is commonplace throughout Christendom.

The "Renewed Covenant" was foretold when Adam and Eve broke Covenant with YHWH. YHWH forgave their sin and promised the ultimate redemption which He Himself provided through the seed of the woman (Genesis 3:15). Just as Adam and Eve are the father and mother of all living souls, so is the Renewed Covenant offered to all inhabitants of the Earth through Mashiyach Y'shua. A very clear fulfillment of Isaiah 56:1-9 is seen in Mashiyach's followers when Gentile converts observe Shabbat and permit the Ruach haKodesh to write Torah upon their hearts as one body of believers along with Jews.
 
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The Failed Covenant. If you check scripture correctly you find that its not the 'new convenant and old covenant but actually the same, just a 'renewed convenient"…also the tribes off israel have not dissapeared, just assimilated over the years and will reappear, either way God knows who's who. Yes neither jew nor gentile, but one body, grafted into the vine ! The Netzaree branch. "Behold, the days come, says YHWH, that I will make a renewed (chadash) covenant (brit) with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was an husband unto them, says YHWH: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says YHWH, I will put my Torah in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know YHWH: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says YHWH: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." (Jeremiah 31:31-34)


Yes, the failed covenant.

'Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all....Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.' Gal. 4:21-26,30,31

'In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.' Heb. 8:13

Also if we look back to the 1st century when the new covenant was ratified by the blood of Christ the house of Israel or the northern kingdom was conspicuously absent. Judah and Benjamin were the only ethnic tribes present. Paul actually quotes those verses from Jeremiah in Hebrews where the new covenant was only for Israel and Judah. Where was Israel? Well, it should be obvious that since the Holy Spirit was given to the Gentiles and their hearts were cleansed by faith just like the Jewish believers that they were brought in to fill the ranks. Also Paul styled himself as the apostle to the gentiles or the uncircumcision.

'For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.' Gal. 6:15,16
 
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Both Aramaic "khawdata" and Hebrew "chadasha" mean to renew, make anew or to repair. Notice how chadash has been translated in: 1 Sam. 11:14; 1 Chr. 15:8; 2 Chr. 24:4, 12; Job 10:17; Psalm 51:10; 103:5; 104:30; Isaiah 61:4; and Lamentations 5:21.

"You chadash (renew) your witnesses against me, and increase your indignation upon me; changes and war are against me." (Job 10:17)

"Create in me a clean heart, O Elohim; and chadash (renew) a right spirit within me."(Psalm 51:10)

Who satisfies your mouth with good things; so that your youth is chadash (renewed) like the eagle's." (Psalm 103: 4)

"Turn Thou us unto you, O YHWH, and we shall be turned; chadash (renew) our days as of old." (Lam. 5:21)
It is impossible in the context of these verses for chadash to mean "new." Isaiah 61:4 also uses chadash to refer to those in Mashiyach who: "...chadash (repair) the waste cities, the desolations of many generations." The word "chadash" is so instrumental to "replacement theology" that the James Strong's Concordance (a popular Christian resource), chose to give this term two reference numbers: renew #2318 and new #2319. Theologians have long used this term to steer "the church" away from Torah. As mentioned previously, Marcion, a post-apostolic church founder who was actually considered a heretic by the early Church, coined the terms "Old Testament" and "New Testament" (and Old covenant and New Covenant) suggesting, in effect, that the "new" replaced the "old." Polycarp referred to him as the "firstborn of the Devil," yet his false anti-Torah theology is still being honored by nearly every Christian on earth.

YHWH did not torture and kill His own son to establish the Renewed Covenant; it was man's religious "justice system" that put the perfection of Y'shua Mashiyach on the torture stake. If sin is condemned by means of the Commandment, how much more is it condemned by being responsible for putting to death YHWH's own likeness? Man's sin put Mashiyach on the torture stake; therefore, the Renewed Covenant upholds the Word of YHWH (Torah) which defines sin and love. "And walk in love; as the Mashiyach also has loved us and has given up himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to Elohim, for a sweet aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

The term and definition of "New Testament" is anti-Mashiyach; it was coined by a Christo-Pagan named Marcion who viewed Y'shua as akin to one of the Greek gods of his own culture. Marcion taught that the G-d of the Jews was an evil god of wrath, judgment and terror, but that Je-Zeus was a kind and loving god. Marcion coined the terms "Old and New Testament" to demarcate YHWH and Y'shua as two separate Gods who were at war with each other; hence, the dualism in Christian churches that use the terms Old and New Testament to uphold replacement and dispensational theology. The consequences of the fatal anti-Torah and anti-Mashiyach deception is very far reaching; so much so, in fact, that permissiveness of Covenant breaking is commonplace throughout Christendom.

The "Renewed Covenant" was foretold when Adam and Eve broke Covenant with YHWH. YHWH forgave their sin and promised the ultimate redemption which He Himself provided through the seed of the woman (Genesis 3:15). Just as Adam and Eve are the father and mother of all living souls, so is the Renewed Covenant offered to all inhabitants of the Earth through Mashiyach Y'shua. A very clear fulfillment of Isaiah 56:1-9 is seen in Mashiyach's followers when Gentile converts observe Shabbat and permit the Ruach haKodesh to write Torah upon their hearts as one body of believers along with Jews.

You would make a great SDA! They worship the law just like you do. The law of Moses wasn't good enough for them, they had to go out and invent even more laws. They keep laws that aren't even in the bible. Their false prophet Jezebel, err ummmm I mean Ellen White won't even let them eat meat. No one should ever be deprived of the experience of eating a delicious cheese burger. That is just wrong.
 
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You would make a great SDA! They worship the law just like you do. The law of Moses wasn't good enough for them, they had to go out and invent even more laws. They keep laws that aren't even in the bible. Their false prophet Jezebel, err ummmm I mean Ellen White won't even let them eat meat. No one should ever be deprived of the experience of eating a delicious cheese burger. That is just wrong.
………Sorry not SDA, I am Netzarim. And cheese burgers are great as long as no pork in it !
 
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