Malaysian Flight 370

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Plenty of debris has been spotted. It's just a case of ascertaining whether it's from the missing 'plane or not.

BBC News - Flight MH370: Aircraft debris - or a load of rubbish?

Debris is not confirmed wreckage. You do not send people on a wild goose chase, and tell them that, "we found floating debris, it is [insert likelihood here] the wreckage from 370. There has been no confirmation, therefore don't say anything until you are sure. That is sloppy politics, diplomacy, and leadership.

Until confirmed debris from the exact flight is found, then I don't know if it was a plane's debris, a sunken ship, a buoy, or anything. In cases like this, people don't just "keep quiet and carry on," families are at stake here.
 
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All the available evidence points to the 'plane having crashed somewhere in the Indian Ocean. Which is worse - for the PM to announce that it's "beyond any reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived," or for him to give the families false hope by giving credence to internet theorists who are convinced the 'plane still exists in some unspecified location?

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nothing has been confirmed, so who cares where the evidence points until the evidence could be confirmed. They first said there was "evidence" the plane was within 2500 miles of takeoff. Now, they are more or less sure it is in the Indian Ocean - all without any type of concrete evidence to back up their searching. We have no idea it crashed. We don't even know if the plane took off. There has been no CCTV footage, no bodies, no remains, no plane debris, no satellite imaging of the plane, no alerts from other countries about a 777 entering their air space - there is nothing to go on.

So, how dare the PM say anything is beyond reasonable doubt when, given the evidence presented, the best we can have is doubt that the plane is anywhere to be found, let alone its past or future. He should have kept his mouth shut on the subje
ct of the plane, and told the people the truth.
 
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I really wish you would look it up for yourself.

You want me to do your homework for you? C'mon.

There were 21 people who would have shared patent rights and profits from the technology. 20 were on the plane.

There were 20 employees of Freescale Semiconductor on the 'plane. Freescale Semiconductor employs 23,000 people. What makes you think that out of all of those people, it was the 20 on the plane who "would have shared patent rights and profits"?

Freescale Semiconductor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Nothing has been confirmed...

Yet. The search is still ongoing.

Now, they are more or less sure it is in the Indian Ocean - all without any type of concrete evidence to back up their searching.

They analysed the flight path of the MH370, its last known position, and calculated from that where it was likely to be. It's not as if they're searching an area at random.

So, how dare the PM say anything is beyond reasonable doubt when, given the evidence presented...

Because it is beyond reasonable doubt. Given where they think the 'plane went down, it's possible that wreckage may never be recovered, that bodies may never be found. What's he supposed to do - not make any announcements at all until something is found? At least telling the families the situation now, they can get some kind of closure, instead of waiting for something that may never come.

He should have kept his mouth shut on the Subject of the plane, and told the people the truth.

That's what he's done.
 
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You want me to do your homework for you? C'mon.

I already did the homework a decade ago; you are asking me what the point of this is.



There were 20 employees of Freescale Semiconductor on the 'plane. Freescale Semiconductor employs 23,000 people. What makes you think that out of all of those people, it was the 20 on the plane who "would have shared patent rights and profits"?

Freescale Semiconductor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

23,000 people may be part of the company, but 23,000 people did not share patent rights. Only few people have controlling stake in the company, and only a few will be able to share patent rights. You think only one person shares the patent for a piece of technology made and/or inspired by dozens people? There was a literal patent share between the 20 scientists and that "other person," and since the other 20 are missing, the "other person" becomes the sole patent holder. The patent share is divided by one for 100% patent ownership.
 
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Yet. The search is still ongoing.

Because nothing has been confirmed.



They analysed the flight path of the MH370, its last known position, and calculated from that where it was likely to be. It's not as if they're searching an area at random.

"Likely, possibly, potentially, unsure..." these are conditional words that mean nothing for a search like this, especially when the "leaders" are so self-ascertained about the bollocks they feed to the people. They either know where it is/what happened and are not telling anyone, or they are incredibly stupid, and ignorant (given the technology.) It is deeper than what is presented, obviously.



Because it is beyond reasonable doubt. Given where they think the 'plane went down, it's possible that wreckage may never be recovered, that bodies may never be found. What's he supposed to do - not make any announcements at all until something is found? At least telling the families the situation now, they can get some kind of closure, instead of waiting for something that may never come.

I have plenty of reasonable doubt that the plane is nowhere to be found, and they are lying, or do not know what they are talking about. If the wreckage never appears, and the bodies never appear, then don't tell the people that it crashed over the Indian Ocean, and that everyone is dead. What if there actually are many survivors? What if it never crashed? How irresponsible to say something like that, and then expect the family to be good sheep and not ask questions. NO EVIDENCE has been shown that would make me accept their stories beyond a reasonable doubt. No one outside the extreme Western propoganda machine believes this story they are telling. They knew something more is wrong, the families around the world are angry and frustrated with the lack of transparency and lies in this "investigation."

That's what he's done.

Oh, great he is quiet now that he dropped that bombshell on the families. What a great way to end your press conference and conversation with the people. [/sarcasm.]
 
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23,000 people may be part of the company, but 23,000 people did not share patent rights. Only few people have controlling stake in the company, and only a few will be able to share patent rights. You think only one person shares the patent for a piece of technology made and/or inspired by dozens people?

No, I don't think that. I just don't know where you get the idea that the 20 engineers on the 'plane were all but one of the people who shared the patent rights.
 
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"At stake"? In what way, exactly?

Are you serious? There is no confirmation any of those people are dead. So, if I was a family member of the people on the plane, I would be in jeopardy mentally, physically, and psychologically. Not to mention if [some of] the people are alive, they have the same worries and danger.

Protests against Muslims, against the Malaysian and Chinese government - there is an uprising because of anger, fear and depression.

Can you not see how a plane missing with passengers with two stolen passports coming from a majority Muslim country with Muslin pilots can be a big deal to all of us? Israel is ready to blame Iran and bomb them. Scores of military officials are talking about the plane going to a refuel area and loading the plane up with things to harm the West. There are more than a dozen countries - COUNTRIES looking for this plane.

I think this will be the last question I answer in terms of giving info. You have to look it up on your own, or dismiss it I cant keep explaining things that are on google in 0.00213 seconds.
 
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I have plenty of reasonable doubt that the plane is nowhere to be found, and they are lying, or do not know what they are talking about.

Are you trying to tell me that you know better than the people who are actually conducting and co-ordinating the search effort? Because that's...well, it's rather arrogant of you. IMHO.

If the wreckage never appears, and the bodies never appear, then don't tell the people that it crashed over the Indian Ocean, and that everyone is dead.

And like I said, in that scenario, the families might never be told anything.

What if there actually are many survivors?

At this stage, it's unlikely.

What if it never crashed?

Then it will be found intact somewhere. But it's been nearly a month with no sign of the 'plane. The likelihood of it being found in one piece is tiny.

How irresponsible to say something like that, and then expect the family to be good sheep and not ask questions.

Nobody is expecting anyone "to be good sheep". Where do you get that idea?

They knew something more is wrong, the families around the world are angry and frustrated with the lack of transparency and lies in this "investigation."

If, as you say, the families are being lied to, then what's the truth? Where's the 'plane, where are the passengers, how can the people involved in the search for the 'plane have been so wrong in focusing their search efforts in the Indian Ocean, and where should they actually be looking?
 
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Are you serious? There is no confirmation any of those people are dead. So, if I was a family member of the people on the plane, I would be in jeopardy mentally, physically, and psychologically.

In jeopardy? Hardly. You'd be concerned, worried, upset...but what's worse, being concerned, worried, upset, and with no idea where your loved ones were...or being concerned, worried, upset, and knowing that, in all probability, they're dead, so you can start grieving properly and hopefully get some sense of closure?

Can you not see how a plane missing with passengers with two stolen passports coming from a majority Muslim country with Muslin pilots can be a big deal to all of us?

I can understand how, post-9/11, people would be concerned. I can understand how, in the immediate aftermath of the 'plane disappearing, some people might assume that a hijacking was a possible cause of the disappearance. But can you not see that, at this stage, it looks increasingly likely that the 'plane's disappearance was down to an unfortunate accident rather than any deliberate wrongdoing on anyone's part?

Israel is ready to blame Iran and bomb them.

Blame them for what, exactly?

Scores of military officials are talking about the plane going to a refuel area and loading the plane up with things to harm the West.

Just because they're talking about it, doesn't mean it's actually happened.

There are more than a dozen countries - COUNTRIES looking for this plane.

Yes. You obviously think they're looking in the wrong area. Again - where, in your opinion, should they be looking?
 
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I smell a HUGE cover-up. there is NO WAY we can't figure out what happened to this plane.

Gargantuan coverup - big enough to unveil a false flag in the future. Everyone will, of course, be too scared to know or find out what really happened. The markets will collapse, justice from the "people" will be demanded, we will go to war, protests will happen, then all of sudden it will calm down and back to the next cycle of ignorantly supporting tyranny disguised as freedom.
 
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Are you trying to tell me that you know better than the people who are actually conducting and co-ordinating the search effort? Because that's...well, it's rather arrogant of you. IMHO.

No, that isn't my point. But, I also don't just blindly follow what people say because "they said it, and they have this degree or work in this field." They are still humans who are capable of being misled and lying. The people coordinating the search effort know as much as you do. The people coordinating the coordinators know more, and the gold trickles uphill.

You can call me arrogant for not trusting what the people say on the mainstream media owned by one person (who has a lot to gain in all of this mess.) Do I care? Not at all; I have been called worse by people who know much less. It is unfortunate you believe that that box on or against your wall is a beacon of truth (when it comes to the news.) You are still responsible for whatever you have heard - be it right or wrong. Don't say no one warned you if/when something happens re: the plane being a weapon, or some other false flag. This really isn't that hard to see - it is barely conspiracy and much more of just them outright and blatantly being negligent.

And like I said, in that scenario, the families might never be told anything.
You are missing the point. Do not say anything if you don't know anything. If you have to tell the families something, say "we still don't know, but we are finding debris that may or may not be linked to 370. Simple. I am sure the parents rather "not know" than have their intelligence insulted by a leader that says it is beyond a reasonable doubt the plane crashed with no survivors. Where is the evidence to make such a claim? Politically, socially and psychologically sloppiness.

They think people are stupid and ignorant, at least lazy and apathetic. They know most people will just believe the cover story without question, and the ones that do will get taken care of by the scoffers and people who challenge out of incredulity.



At this stage, it's unlikely.
Again with the conditionals. Likelihood matters not in evidence and truth of finding something and connecting dots and extrapolating data. You say unlikely, I may say likely. Guess what? For either one of us, there is no evidence to vindicate you or me. So, your opinion of the likelihood of people surviving - without confirmed wreckage, bodies, identification, etc. - is nothing more than opinion.



Then it will be found intact somewhere. But it's been nearly a month with no sign of the 'plane. The likelihood of it being found in one piece is tiny.
You don't even know the geography of that area, and "who" is there, do you. You cant know, because if you did, you would know there are several military bases on Islands "not on the map" that the plane could have stopped at, and refueled. Again, you have no idea of the likelihood, and neither do I. I was making a point on how erroneous it is to talk about something in a positive qualifier when there has been no evidence presented.

This could be another "Lost" type of situation, especially when you consider T. Aviv, and how Charles Widmore staged the crashing of flight 815 with bodies. Art imitates life.




Nobody is expecting anyone "to be good sheep". Where do you get that idea?

I read news outside of the States and the West. What the West doesn't tell, the other news agencies are reporting. And, I have had to sliver through media blackouts in those respective countries. If people were paying attention, there would be no reason why these people would be justified in dragging everyone on an emotional ride with inept evidences. Then, extrapolate chat room microcosms - where their is anonymity - and that lets me know nothing has changed in the Westerner since 2001. Still too scared to demand questions/see how far the rabbit hole goes, and still to programmed so much to believe whatever their leaders say.



If, as you say, the families are being lied to, then what's the truth? Where's the 'plane, where are the passengers, how can the people involved in the search for the 'plane have been so wrong in focusing their search efforts in the Indian Ocean, and where should they actually be looking?
We will find out the truth whenever they decide to pull off their next act. You keep asking where the plane is: it doesn't matter on the grand scheme of things (where the people are matters; they don't have to be at the same place as the plane.) Also, a replica was bought on October 2013, then shipped to T. Aviv Novenber 2013. Why buy a replica exactly the same sans serial number?


The people involved in the search are low levels. If there is something more sinister, as to not leak information you send out drones to distract. Now, these searchers could be decorated officers, doctors/nurses, scientists, etc. So, they don't even know why they would be searching such an area except it was a directive by respective countries that sent them. That is it.

I will say it again, they need to look at Israel. But, they won't because they cant, because something else is being planned. They almost blew their cover when they leaked the story about Chinese fighter jets escorting the plane. That was quickly retracted in the media.
 
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In jeopardy? Hardly. You'd be concerned, worried, upset...but what's worse, being concerned, worried, upset, and with no idea where your loved ones were...or being concerned, worried, upset, and knowing that, in all probability, they're dead, so you can start grieving properly and hopefully get some sense of closure?

Yes jeopardy. Extrapolate what concern, worry, anger, and confusion can cause. Seriously, we have to think. All they need is provocateur to stir them into violent protest. These people are more than worried, concerned or upset; that are p*ssed, disguised by their leader(s) insulting of their intelligence, and they are ready to fight should they have to. It isn't that they are dead (there is that condition/probability with no evidence again,) it is that their PM just flat out told them that they were dead, and walked off so to speak. How disrespectful, and you don't even have the victims' bodies?

They will never have closure because the governments are toying with them. And, what are they gonna do? Nothing as usual, except protest and get arrested. Nothing will change. That still doesn't stop people from trying.



I can understand how, post-9/11, people would be concerned. I can understand how, in the immediate aftermath of the 'plane disappearing, some people might assume that a hijacking was a possible cause of the disappearance. But can you not see that, at this stage, it looks increasingly likely that the 'plane's disappearance was down to an unfortunate accident rather than any deliberate wrongdoing on anyone's part?

No, because of the bread crumbs (I don't think it is hitting home.)

A replica plane was bought a little less than 5 months ago - the only difference is the serial number.

It was shipped to T.Aviv in November 2013, and has been there ever since.

The plane can be remotely controlled.

There are military bases within 1000 miles of take-off.

We are way beyond hijacking now; this is something else. I don't want conditionals about "likelihood" without evidence, otherwise that is just faith, now isn't it? So either I get hosed on real evidence about my family, or I submit faith to whomever is telling me the information without evidence.



Blame them for what, exactly?]

For possibly hijacking the plane, sending it to another country for refuel, and possibly loading weapons into the plane to hit a target. Very circumstantial for Israel reasons to attack Iran, but hey, "Don't ever let a good disaster go to waste," right? (Rahm Emanuel said that.)

The Passports are supposed to be two men, possibly Muslim. Israel is aching so bad for a legitimate reason to hit Iran, and this may be that.



Just because they're talking about it, doesn't mean it's actually happened.

Well of course it hasn't happened yet, but don't you think you should heed a warning?

Remember, the States got plenty of info on Bin Laden long before the attack - what he planned to do, his whereabouts, etc.? Then BOOM 9/11 and everyone is "surprised." Lies. The C1A was paying for him - Osama was on dialysis, whis is not chap. Al Qu4eda has been on the C1A dole at least since the Afgan-USSR war. The States gave the Afgans weapons to fight with. Most of this is declassified, and has been.


These generals are either throwing it in people's faces that we cant do anything, or they are trying to warn our ignorant selves. But of course no one will pay attention. People were petrified with fear: I dont believe most people could handle an EMP or nook attack anywhere. These past three weeks has been nothing but "string-along fear inappropriate content." The dots are to be connected, though.



Yes. You obviously think they're looking in the wrong area. Again - where, in your opinion, should they be looking?

Israel first. Then the military bases near Indonesia, especially U.SS and Israeli. Then, continue spending millions of dollars until someone blows the whistle, or a "leader" says otherwise. All of this is a dog and pony show with the script already written. That is why when real conspiracy theorists speak out, they get "suicided," or murdered. Whistle blowers get murdered/suicided. This is not a superficial game; many people know from 9/11 that coverups are a habit of "dominant" nations to reach a goal militarily, financially, and economically. It was never about spreading peace. How can a war-monger be peaceful. If the States were really as mighty as they say they are, they would have invaded Pakistan since they housed 17/19 of the "terrorists." But no, Pakistan has nooks, and is backed by the Shanghai Corporation Organization. But, the States will invade Libya, over throw the leader, put their own puppet in office, and set up a federal reserve bank so that the country is financially dependent on the IMF.

Again, this is serious business going on right now.
 
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What's worse: being to cynical or being too naive?

Naivete is worse. Right up there with ignorance and apathy. At least the surly and cynical are more or less aware of things going on to them, and the surroundings (which why they can be cynics and surly). I think to cynics and "misanthropes," the naive pose a threat for what they see as progress, and the cynics pose a threat to what the naive consider progress.

Of course, cynicism is hyperbole of distrust, and discerning malignant personalities. If someone/something is distrustful, and malignant, then they are just that (i.e. an apparent cynic is justified.)

If I am trying to take down Barney because I think his singing is enchanting my kid to worship the devil, that may be a bit cynical - even militant and teroristic.
 
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Could you explain what difference the loss of 20 Freescale Semiconductor employees makes to any patent ownerships?

Well, wouldn't that mean that if they died before the patent wasn't granted or whatever they do, the remaining patent owner would be the sole owner of the patent?
 
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Was this the article?

Jimstonefreelance.com - The new root of truth.

Because quite honestly, I'm not into making fun of things, I just find the lack of any corroborating evidence makes this all a heck of a stretch. The LinkedIn profile doesn't necessarily have anything to do with anyone on the 'plane. And whilst I've found an online viewer for Exif information, I find it highly suspicious that the information in this blank picture (http://regex.info/exif.cgi?imgurl=http://jimstonefreelance.com/1395192158752.jpg) matches so precisely what Mr Stone wants us to believe - because I've run photos of my own through the same Exif viewer, and it comes up with nowhere near that level of detail; I strongly suspect that this Exif information, much like (for instance) mp3 metadata, can be amended if you've got the right software to do it.

It was the same thing but a different article I got from Steve Quayle's website. Today he had this posted and I don't understand what it's saying to do, maybe you need a smartphone? I'm just dumb about computer language so I don't know.

http://www.stevequayle.com/indexphp?s=33&d=861
 
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