Thanks for your opinion.
Well tell you the truth it is about perspective. Maybe to you getting strike by lightening, which is about the same as voter fraud occurring, is "alot" to you.
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Iowa Refers 80 Cases of Vote Fraud
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Well tell you the truth it is about perspective. Maybe to you getting strike by lightening, which is about the same as voter fraud occurring, is "alot" to you.
Your opinion on lightning strikes re voter fraud is also appreciated.
My opinion, strike that, the fact is they share the same frequency.
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Your speculation on the matter has been noted ... and appreciated.
Based on the research and analysis conducted for Securing the Vote, we offer several conclusions about election fraud in the United States today:
Voter fraud appears to be very rare in the 12 states examined in that report. Legal and news records turned up little evidence of significant fraud in these states or any indication that fraud is more than a minor problem. Interviews with state officials further confirmed this impression.
Notable election reforms of the past 10 to 15 years—such as the NVRA, more permissive absentee balloting rules, all mail-in voting in Oregon, and the enactment of Election Day Registration in several
more states—have not facilitated voter fraud.
more states—have not facilitated voter fraud.
Analysis of several cases of election fraud that have received significant attention in recent years suggests that some of the most notable allegat ions of fraud have proved to be baseless. While the 1997 mayoral primary election in Miami, Florida, was one of the most egregious election fraud cases in recent memory, there are other noted cases where charges of significant vote fraud have been disproved, such as the 1996 Dornan/Sanchez contest for the U.S. House of Representatives in Orange County, California. There are yet other cases, such as the 2000 election in St. Louis, Missouri, in which politicians have made great hay, but charges of widespread fraud have not been substantiated. A new Demos
report on voter fraud in states offering Election Day Registration finds that despite the hundreds of news stories reporting on allegations of voter fraud in Wisconsin in the 2004 presidential election, practically no fraud has ever been proven. An intensive effort on the part of the federal government to uncover and prosecute voter fraud in Wisconsin resulted in only 14 indictments and five convictions or guilty pleas for illegal voting in an election in which over 3 million ballots were cast."
report on voter fraud in states offering Election Day Registration finds that despite the hundreds of news stories reporting on allegations of voter fraud in Wisconsin in the 2004 presidential election, practically no fraud has ever been proven. An intensive effort on the part of the federal government to uncover and prosecute voter fraud in Wisconsin resulted in only 14 indictments and five convictions or guilty pleas for illegal voting in an election in which over 3 million ballots were cast."
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A fantasy appealing to the reality impared parhaps, but we see nothing of the sort. Of 10 so far 5 have been dismissed. Of the remaining 5 only 1 constituted voter fraud and that was a case of a guy committing identity theft.
Why should we do that? Why not assume 100% were? Why not assume 1% were? If assuming, why not make up any number we want in order to turn facts into propaganda?
The facts in these 10 cases are:
5 dismissed
3 misunderstandings of state law
1 case of a mom and daughter failing to communicate over absentee balloting
and 1 case of an identity theif using a stolen ID... which wouldn't have been stopped by voter ID law because he had an ID.
Oh grow up and stop with the cartoons already.
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Shoot. I thought Veritas was talking about felons, not people convicted of voter fraud. Her question doesn't even make sense.
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You apparently read about a different case: Iowa voter fraud investigation concludes; 80 additional cases referred to prosecutors | Des Moines Register
Since September, when DeCamp took over as the lead investigator, the effort has scrutinized 245 individual voters. Of those, more than 80 have been referred to county attorneys for possible prosecution.
It will be up to prosecutors on whether to bring charges based on the evidence provided by the DCI.
Since the investigation began in July, 2012, five cases have resulted in guilty pleas. Fifteen are pending before courts across the state, DeCamp said.
It will be up to prosecutors on whether to bring charges based on the evidence provided by the DCI.
Since the investigation began in July, 2012, five cases have resulted in guilty pleas. Fifteen are pending before courts across the state, DeCamp said.
Cartoons communicate effectively.
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You apprently missed that of the previous 16 cases only about 1/3 led to a plea or a guilty verdict, only 1 was intentional voter fraud and that incident would not have been stopped by voter ID laws.
To extrapolate the 80 cases, that would be about 26 plea or a guilty verdicts and about 5 cases of intentional voter fraud. Those numbers hardly represent an a critical threat to our democracy.
Is voter fraud somthing we should work to eliminate? Yes. Should we run the risk of disenfranchising voters to do so? No.
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If you want to call me a liar on something you should just come out and say it.
And this is important to you why? Do you actually believe I am the only member of these forums who has responded to a post not directed to them? Do you follow those people around the forums and point every time they respond to a comment?
From this article, quote:
"[W]e conclude that the total number of registered voters who lack a driver's license or personal identification card issued by DPS could range from 603,892 to 795,955. The disparity between the percentages of Hispanics and non-Hispanics who lack these forms of identification ranges from 46.5 to 120.0 percent. That is, according to the state's own data, a Hispanic registered voter is at least 46.5 percent, and potentially 120.0 percent, more likely than a non-Hispanic registered voter to lack this identification. Even using the data most favorable to the state, Hispanics disproportionately lack either a driver's license or a personal identification card issued by DPS, and that disparity is statistically significant."
First, how does someone, but in this specific example a Hispanic, register to vote without having a driver's license or a personal ID card? However these stats are presented while excluding mention of the actual voting block the Democrats are trying to protect, the illegal alien voting block.
Voter fraud by illegal aliens ignored by government and media
When voters discover fraud by a candidate they react. For example, in a 2006 congressional race in southern California between Republican Brian Bilbray and Democrat Francine Busby, Busby told a room full of illegal aliens that they didn't need "papers" meaning identification to vote. Thank goodness it was recorded and played on talk radio shows across the nation. Busby lost because she got caught saying what many other Democrats may tell illegal aliens.
A recent study released by the conservative think-tank the Heritage Foundation provides proof that illegal aliens and immigrants with green cards are committing rampant voter fraud in the United States.
Source: Voter fraud by illegal aliens ignored by government and media - National Law Enforcement | Examiner.com
In 2012 Florida election officials estimated some 180,000 illegal aliens were registered to vote prior to the Presidential election.
Overview here: Voter Fraud Issues: A Florida Department Of Law Enforcement Report And Observations
Or simply watch this report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaUsT9MLMlA#t=55
From this article, quote:
"According to recent data, 34 percent of voting-age women do not have a document that currently reflects their current legal name. Among transgender women and men, the number is 41 percent. That is a lot of people who no longer meet the current requirements, and who may be hard-pressed to get a valid ID in time for the November election."
What the article fails to point out is by law everyone who has a state issued drivers license and subsequently changes either their name or address is required to update their license. Everyone, and not just women. And I seriously doubt 34 percent of voting-age women lack any document which "currently" reflects their "current" legal name. To accept this claim we are expected to believe what the left always wants us to believe concerning the currently cited victim class, that they are unable to effectively function in society, less capable, deficient, and need our benevolent help against the evil Republican oppressors.
In addition this article has a link embedded in the first paragraph in the words "well documented." Click on that link and it leads to an opinion piece pro-publica.
And...
These two articles discuss the same topic and present the same conclusions in the same chicken-little fashion, the usual claim that requiring an ID to vote burdens blacks and minorities more than white people. But neither article bothers to delve into why getting an ID is so much harder for their victim classes, which is the question perennially ignored. I think the left should explain why they believe and promote the notion blacks are less capable to achieve anything, to do anything, without benevolent liberal help.
Lo and behold the CBS News article provides an answer:
"They have to find the appropriate office, bring the needed paperwork and pay the required fee, all to get an ID many don't know they need," she said. "It turns out that significant numbers of young people don't even know about these new photo ID requirements."
They have to find the appropriate office...my God...how can we as a society live with ourselves when we require someone to find the appropriate office? And pay a fee? Where is Sarah Mclachlan when you need her?
From the article, quote:
"And the particular restrictions imposed by Republican lawmakers...certainly do appear aimed at Democratic voters."
Of course it appears that way to someone against any form of voter ID law. This is a pointless article.
For this and other comments the NC State Republican Party and the Buncombe GOP denounced Yelton and demanded his resignation. Yelton resigned the day after his interview on the Daily Show aired.
Except that Romney lost Pennsylvania.
What is the context of this statement?
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Only someone who hasn't paid attention to this subject (or someone who only listens to right-wing media outlets) can believe that that question it's "perennially ignored." It's not. Numerous people in the media and on this message board have explained the answer. That you don't know it speaks only to your ignorance, not to its not having been addressed.
In fact, you provide an example in your next paragraph:
Yes, sometimes that is very difficult. I live in the Boston area. Care to guess how many RMV offices are in Boston, a city of over 600,000 people?
2
There are two RMV offices in the city of Boston. If you expand that to include the immediate surrounding towns, there are a total of five. Five RMV office for a couple million people. A typical wait at the RMV is at least an hour. If you have to take public transportation (as many people in the city do), you could easily be looking at a 1-hour transit each way (especially if there's a bus involved). I live in the burbs and I drive, and I'm a solid half-hour drive from the closest branch.
So, a person who wants to go to the RMV in Boston via public transportation is looking at a minimum three hour commitment, during regular business hours. Not everybody can afford to take that much time off work. Not everyone can afford the fees, either. Do you know anybody who's working & poor? I do. $25 is a lot to them.
Pointless because it eats away at your argument?
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Then they shouldn't be that hard to find.
Do you go to RMV every day? I don't know the law in every state, but in my state renewing a license or a photo ID is a once every two year requirement. A requirement imposed on employers as well as employees. However if the system is as inconvenient as you say it is inconvenient for everyone and not just the specified victim class.
DMV/RMV offices have Saturday hours. You are making the argument the government system crafted and imposed by the government targets certain groups by being inconvenient. Even if true it is a system which is imposed on everyone.
Because it is that particular author's opinion based largely on the opinion of others.
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Really?
Yes, it's inconvenient for everyone. However, it is more inconvenient for people who 1.) lack cars and/or 2.) lack flexible work hours.
I don't know what you do for a living, but the higher-wage, professional jobs I've had have been a lot more flexible with work hours and vacation time than the low-wage, blue-collar jobs I've had.
Where? They don't in MA. Hours are typically 9-5 M-F. MassDOT RMV
The only ones in MA with Saturday hours are AAA offices, and those services are only available to AAA members. The closest of those to the city is at least a half-hour drive away.
Just for kicks, I looked at NY and couldn't find any Saturday hours there, either: DMV Offices | New York State DMV
Couldn't find any in TX either:
Tx DPS - Driver License office locations
What I did find in Texas were plenty of places that were easily 50+ miles from the nearest DPS office.
But it inconveniences some people more than others, and if it's likely to deter more people of one group from voting, it's going to skew the election results towards the guy favored by the other group.
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PA has saturday hours... but woe to those who try to go there on a Saturday. My wife needed to get a PA driver's license and didn't have time to do it during the week, so we had to go on a weekend. First time we went, we waited two hours, only to find out we were missing paperwork. So we came back the next weekend, and waited in line for four hours....
I'm not exaggerating. We got there at 10AM and didn't leave until almost 3. Totally nuts.
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It's IowaWatch.org not .com.
Iowas Voter Fraud Probe Becomes A Numbers Game | Iowa Center for Public Affairs Journalism
Iowas Voter Fraud Probe Becomes A Numbers Game | Iowa Center for Public Affairs Journalism
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Which of those 5 people who plead guilty should have their voting rights taken away, and if so, for how long?
The mother who did the absentee for her daughter then turned herself in?
The ex-felons who thought their voting rights had been restored, but lost them due to a mandate of the new governor?
The guy who voted using his brother's ID, even though he was eligible to vote and only voted once?
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Nope. I read what SnowCal wrote on the cases that have been adjudicated and the facts there match up exactly with what the comments I made. Perhaps you didn't understand what I wrote.
For children. I prefer adult dialogue. To each his or her own I suppose.
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Forgive me your majesty.
The temerity I exhibited in responding to a post in an open thread on an open forum of which I am a member is inexcusable. You post was still a non-sequitur though.
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