Raised, resurrected, and caught up

SG9 · Dec 18, 2013

Dear friends, I'd like to offer my insight to the "catching up" event. To fully understand what it is to catch up we must believe and understand that there is a paradigm shift in two realms of time, one is not and one is.

This is simply describing a spreading between two timelines, and a gap had formed as the result, a space of void, or Abyss in between the two dimensions. Imagine all of the world walking along side with Christ, and we keep pace with Him in this paradigm but when we offend Him we then run amok and ahead of God like children rushing to the gates of Disneyland while leaving their parents behind. This forms a spread and a gap between the children and their Parents, and in this picture it is Christ.

The world has been living within this paradigm, and without God for a bit less than 200 years, and until this day. When the Lord comes He approaches the world which is as closing this gap, and it's like bringing two land masses together after removing the artificial bridge that man had created with the authority and power of the dragon. This was caused by the introduction and receiving of the AOD (abomination causes desolation's).

This gap is closing now, it began not very long ago, and it is the execution of advancement towards Judgment, and Enoch spoke of this, which I recently addressed in another thread.

There is a misalignment of the two timelines, one natural and the other is prophetically supernatural where God is. To catch up is to close the gap where those who have been resurrected in the first Resurrection are already with Christ, or in the process of awakening and then they are taken up to a new Mind and Spirit while never leaving the flesh or body. They have not left earth but have gone to heaven in thought which is Spirit.

Those who are first taken up are the 144k elect, and they will catch those who are coming into their proximity as Christ draws close to execute His Judgments, which the 144k do as instructed. They are the angels, and are still man in flesh while here on earth and performing the Harvest. They are the harvest workers and are few. Thanks

iamlamad · Dec 18, 2013

SG9 said:
Dear friends, I'd like to offer my insight to the "catching up" event. To fully understand what it is to catch up we must believe and understand that there is a paradigm shift in two realms of time, one is not and one is.

This is simply describing a spreading between two timelines, and a gap had formed as the result, a space of void, or Abyss in between the two dimensions. Imagine all of the world walking along side with Christ, and we keep pace with Him in this paradigm but when we offend Him we then run amok and ahead of God like children rushing to the gates of Disneyland while leaving their parents behind. This forms a spread and a gap between the children and their Parents, and in this picture it is Christ.

The world has been living within this paradigm, and without God for a bit less than 200 years, and until this day. When the Lord comes He approaches the world which is as closing this gap, and it's like bringing two land masses together after removing the artificial bridge that man had created with the authority and power of the dragon. This was caused by the introduction and receiving of the AOD (abomination causes desolation's).

This gap is closing now, it began not very long ago, and it is the execution of advancement towards Judgment, and Enoch spoke of this, which I recently addressed in another thread.

There is a misalignment of the two timelines, one natural and the other is prophetically supernatural where God is. To catch up is to close the gap where those who have been resurrected in the first Resurrection are already with Christ, or in the process of awakening and then they are taken up to a new Mind and Spirit while never leaving the flesh or body. They have not left earth but have gone to heaven in thought which is Spirit.

Those who are first taken up are the 144k elect, and they will catch those who are coming into their proximity as Christ draws close to execute His Judgments, which the 144k do as instructed. They are the angels, and are still man in flesh while here on earth and performing the Harvest. They are the harvest workers and are few. Thanks

This is all TOTAL AND COMPLETE NONSENSE: human reasoning gone to seed. Paul TELLS US CLEARLY what his gathering is: the dead in Christ are resurrected, meet their new body in the air, and then we that are alive and In Christ are CAUGHT UP together with them, to meet Jesus in the AIR, and in the CLOUDS. John 14 then tells us we will be escorted to HEAVEN where we will stay for 7 years plus, and then enter into the marriage and supper. AFter that, we ALL get on white horses and descend to earth.

This is TRUTH and cannot be changed.

LAMAD

SG9 · Dec 18, 2013

iamlamad said:
This is all TOTAL AND COMPLETE NONSENSE: human reasoning gone to seed. Paul TELLS US CLEARLY what his gathering is: the dead in Christ are resurrected, meet their new body in the air, and then we that are alive and In Christ are CAUGHT UP together with them, to meet Jesus in the AIR, and in the CLOUDS. John 14 then tells us we will be escorted to HEAVEN where we will stay for 7 years plus, and then enter into the marriage and supper. AFter that, we ALL get on white horses and descend to earth.

This is TRUTH and cannot be changed.

LAMAD

And, I forgot to mention that "Time" may only exist within the Abyss/gap/space in between the two ends, which are the seen/unseen Beginning and the seen/unseen Ending. Everything outside of the Abyss is Eternity, and without time.

*Edited: As the two timelines draw close together, simulating two land masses and a bridge to span the gap, the bridge will collapse as the land masses move. One land is natural and the other spiritual, and these are two dimensions in space and in the paradigm. As God closes the gap the Arc angel is then able to bridge the gap with His body. He Stands across the gap when close enough to Leap it, and He places one foot on the landing. This Bridge, the Arc angel is coming and almost here and He will Stand across that gap, forming the Bridge that spans across the spiritual Red Sea. This is the image of Heaven coming to earth, and then God may walk across the Arc angel and be here with us, and through the Arc angel. The Arc angel is the conductor of God's Spirit to replace the artificial power that has been running this world by man's creations/inventions. The bridge is stressing and soon to collapse for this to come. We are approaching quickly.

I know that this is over your head but give it "time", err, perhaps, wait until time is no more? Thanks

*BTW, you got a point here, in your first sentence. This is exactly what we are expected to do, return to the "Seed" and be Born, Again! But, of course we must know which seed is which. One is Authentic, while the other is a spiritual rendering of a seed by "GMS" (genetically modified spirit). Thanks

ShedSinforChrist · Dec 18, 2013

iamlamad said:
This is all TOTAL AND COMPLETE NONSENSE: human reasoning gone to seed. Paul TELLS US CLEARLY what his gathering is: the dead in Christ are resurrected, meet their new body in the air, and then we that are alive and In Christ are CAUGHT UP together with them, to meet Jesus in the AIR, and in the CLOUDS. John 14 then tells us we will be escorted to HEAVEN where we will stay for 7 years plus, and then enter into the marriage and supper. AFter that, we ALL get on white horses and descend to earth.

This is TRUTH and cannot be changed.

LAMAD

I was raised predominately protestant, in which we are not given to understand the "rapture" as in the US, however, with time and reading, I am fully able to conceive of this as there is clearly a separation of the Church from the Great Tribulation. I dont affirm a position on when the catching away will take place, as God alone knows this, so as to prevent Satan from manipulating a false event.

Rev_16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

1Th_5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Blessings from our Lord

Cheers

iamlamad · Dec 18, 2013

SG9 said:
And, I forgot to mention that "Time" may only exist within the Abyss/gap/space in between the two ends, which are the seen/unseen Beginning and the seen/unseen Ending. Everything outside of the Abyss is Eternity, and without time.

*Edited: As the two timelines draw close together, simulating two land masses and a bridge to span the gap, the bridge will collapse as the land masses move. One land is natural and the other spiritual, and these are two dimensions in space and in the paradigm. As God closes the gap the Arc angel is then able to bridge the gap with His body. He Stands across the gap when close enough to Leap it, and He places one foot on the landing. This Bridge, the Arc angel is coming and almost here and He will Stand across that gap, forming the Bridge that spans across the spiritual Red Sea. This is the image of Heaven coming to earth, and then God may walk across the Arc angel and be here with us, and through the Arc angel. The Arc angel is the conductor of God's Spirit to replace the artificial power that has been running this world by man's creations/inventions. The bridge is stressing and soon to collapse for this to come. We are approaching quickly.

I know that this is over your head but give it "time", err, perhaps, wait until time is no more? Thanks

*BTW, you got a point here, in your first sentence. This is exactly what we are expected to do, return to the "Seed" and be Born, Again! But, of course we must know which seed is which. One is Authentic, while the other is a spiritual rendering of a seed by "GMS" (genetically modified spirit). Thanks

Why not just write in good American English?

LAMAD

SG9 · Dec 18, 2013

iamlamad said:
Why not just write in good American English?

LAMAD

If we stick to the Word we will learn that man is fallen from God. This is why God returns to save man. In context, men have become as beasts [Rev 13:4] and are given authority and power of the dragon to blaspheme the Most High, and this is done with the mouths of the beasts. Men are as beasts of the field. Enoch and other prophets all describe the very same nature albeit they did use various symbolism to depict the beastly nature of man and how God sees the fallen man.

Imagine now what God is dealing with when man has become as a beast. Certain scriptures refer to evil/fallen men as "dogs" so using this same metaphor we can then realize that we are like dogs. Have you ever tried to hold an intellectual conversation with a dog? If you have you might be thought a lunatic. Now, if God were to be seen speaking with Dogs and expecting them to understand then all of heaven might be laughing at God.

God cannot hear our prayers when we are fallen because we are like dogs barking up the Tree of Life. God must resurrect the fallen man and gift man with a new mind and a heart of human flesh, and this is to raise us up from the beastly nature that we have evolved with. We have spiritually evolved into beasts.

Now, are we speaking a new song/language or are we still barking up our Tree of Life? Thanks

iamlamad · Dec 18, 2013

SG9 said:
If we stick to the Word we will learn that man is fallen from God. This is why God returns to save man. In context, men have become as beasts [Rev 13:4] and are given authority and power of the dragon to blaspheme the Most High, and this is done with the mouths of the beasts. Men are as beasts of the field. Enoch and other prophets all describe the very same nature albeit they did use various symbolism to depict the beastly nature of man and how God sees the fallen man.

Imagine now what God is dealing with when man has become as a beast. Certain scriptures refer to evil/fallen men as "dogs" so using this same metaphor we can then realize that we are like dogs. Have you ever tried to hold an intellectual conversation with a dog? If you have you might be thought a lunatic. Now, if God were to be seen speaking with Dogs and expecting them to understand then all of heaven might be laughing at God.

God cannot hear our prayers when we are fallen because we are like dogs barking up the Tree of Life. God must resurrect the fallen man and gift man with a new mind and a heart of human flesh, and this is to raise us up from the beastly nature that we have evolved with. We have spiritually evolved into beasts.

Now, are we speaking a new song/language or are we still barking up our Tree of Life? Thanks

Rev. 13 is speaking of a CERTAIN man, called elsewhere the "man of siin." Does God see the lost man as a "dog?" I don't think so. I disagree: God DOES hear the prayers of a unregenerate person IF that prayer will lead to their salvation. In fact, God hears EVERY prayer of an unregenerate person when they ask for forgiveness.

By the way, Adam GAVE us that nature, we did not evolve into it. There was MURDER in the first generation!

LAMAD

SG9 · Dec 18, 2013

iamlamad said:
Rev. 13 is speaking of a CERTAIN man, called elsewhere the "man of siin." Does God see the lost man as a "dog?" I don't think so. I disagree: God DOES hear the prayers of a unregenerate person IF that prayer will lead to their salvation. In fact, God hears EVERY prayer of an unregenerate person when they ask for forgiveness.

By the way, Adam GAVE us that nature, we did not evolve into it. There was MURDER in the first generation!

LAMAD

Dear lamad, I'm trying to focus on one point by specific scriptural reference to Rev 13: and verse 4, which this describes the nature of the beast in mankind.

You take this to another level of other topics, IMO. Chapter 13 of Revelation covers a lot more than the point that I'm making in verse 4. The mark of the beast 666 is the number of a beast or a man? This has many meanings and by it's metaphoric properties can use multiples. The mark of the "beast" is the number of a man. The beast is the nature and the man is the object.

Lamad, I find it ironic that you first tell me that my words are nonsense, and then I should write in a language that you may understand. And then you continue picking me apart? If you didn't understand my posts to start, and I am to write so that you can understand it, I then ask you, what are you doing? Thanks

SG9 · Dec 19, 2013

iamlamad said:
Rev. 13 is speaking of a CERTAIN man, called elsewhere the "man of siin." Does God see the lost man as a "dog?" I don't think so. I disagree: God DOES hear the prayers of a unregenerate person IF that prayer will lead to their salvation. In fact, God hears EVERY prayer of an unregenerate person when they ask for forgiveness.

By the way, Adam GAVE us that nature, we did not evolve into it. There was MURDER in the first generation!

LAMAD

Dear lamad, I am posting only a spec of evidence from the Bible that you are mistaken and that I am correct about EVERYTHING that I write about the beasts. You, and this entire body of people who believe it not are deceived to think that the fallen man is not a beast, and this calls God a liar and I can't sit back without putting some sense into this and knocking down the strongholds that are holding people back from redemption for the time is at hand. Fallen men are just as beasts, read the Bible and stop wrestling with God.

Job had this same problem with men in his time, they wouldn't believe him over this issue. They too say that Job is in error because they cannot understand the nature of God, neither. How can fallen man any better Judge God? LOL

First, in Job 17 man admits the corruption in his mouth, and this is because the mouth is where the Holy Spirit should be uttered but really his mouth has defiled him so he makes reference to his shoes, err, hat, err, no, but rather his MOUTH!

Then, Job 18, man asks how long will fallen men be regarded as man, err, cattle, err....ah...., no, but rather it says "BEASTS".

Job 17:1-5
King James Version (KJV)
17 My breath is corrupt, my days are extinct, the graves are ready for me.

2 Are there not mockers with me? and doth not mine eye continue in their provocation?

3 Lay down now, put me in a surety with thee; who is he that will strike hands with me?

4 For thou hast hid their heart from understanding: therefore shalt thou not exalt them.

5 He that speaketh flattery to his friends, even the eyes of his children shall fail.

Job 18:1-5
King James Version (KJV)
18 Then answered Bildad the Shuhite, and said,

2 How long will it be ere ye make an end of words? mark, and afterwards we will speak.

3 Wherefore are we counted as beasts, and reputed vile in your sight?

4 He teareth himself in his anger: shall the earth be forsaken for thee? and shall the rock be removed out of his place?

5 Yea, the light of the wicked shall be put out, and the spark of his fire shall not shine.

To think that we are not beasts is Flattery to our fallen souls. Thanks

SG9 · Dec 19, 2013

More reference to prayer and communication blocked by sin and fallen nature.

Isaiah 1:15
King James Version (KJV)
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

2 Chronicles 7:14
King James Version.
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

God will hear from heaven? Which heaven if God is already in heaven? Reason is, heaven is in the mind of the wicked as well, but it becomes hell to them. God is referring to the upper chamber in their mind. God will hear from their minds, not their mouths because they only defile themselves with lies that proceed from their mouths.

Job 35:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 Who teacheth us more than the beasts of the earth, and maketh us wiser than the fowls of heaven?

Lamad, God compares to the before and after condition of man of sin, and uses beasts as contrast. It's written in English and quoted from the Bible as per request. Thanks

God hears prayers of repentance, not vanity! God requires for a change of heart before He will hear us.

iamlamad · Dec 19, 2013

SG9 said:
More reference to prayer and communication blocked by sin and fallen nature.

Isaiah 1:15
King James Version (KJV)
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

2 Chronicles 7:14
King James Version.
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

God will hear from heaven? Which heaven if God is already in heaven? Reason is, heaven is in the mind of the wicked as well, but it becomes hell to them. God is referring to the upper chamber in their mind. God will hear from their minds, not their mouths because they only defile themselves with lies that proceed from their mouths.

Job 35:11
King James Version (KJV)
11 Who teacheth us more than the beasts of the earth, and maketh us wiser than the fowls of heaven?

Lamad, God compares to the before and after condition of man of sin, and uses beasts as contrast. It's written in English and quoted from the Bible as per request. Thanks

God hears prayers of repentance, not vanity! God requires for a change of heart before He will hear us.

Thanks, but I prefer UPDATED verses like Eph. 1 & 2 & 1 John 5:14-15.

LAMAD

vinsight4u · Feb 21, 2014

coraline · Feb 21, 2014

vinsight4u said:
bumping up

There is nothing in Revelation that states we go to heaven
and stay there for seven years.

Right. It's not there! lol.

Sometimes it helps for God to give you a burning bush vision to confirm your parents, whom you lost as a teenager, are in heaven- and have been for decades now! :angel:

My enemies don't like to hear that though, lol.

But Truth became reality to me by God directly and has been reinforced through His personal relationship with me in the Spirit.

You can choose to argue about prophecies all you like. I do it for fun only, if I have time. I.m not retired!

I don't really care who wants to learn about Eschatology or not from my perspective.

PS- The Lord has given me "beauty for ashes" literally, in my life!

Just look at my new car (as my avatar) LOL! It's my "blue sky" car!

Praise God! Worship God, not "prophecy" is a motto of mine.

coraline · Feb 21, 2014

By Grace Through Faith

2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

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Paul explains how a Christian's status NOW of being "raised, resurrected, and caught up"

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