Would you kiss the Popes ring?

New Legacy said:

What's funny is that I think most people believe the Spanish Inquisition was about CONVERTING Jews.. and maybe Muslims.

You point out that it was actually intended to deport mostly Moors (the original invaders of Spain) and also Jews who claimed to be Catholic they go nuh uh and you simply refer them to a history book.

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An Inquisition is for finding and dealing with heresy. It's a tribunal (a court of sorts).
I think some get their history from a Mel Brooks skit or some 60s horror flick.

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Godisgood12 said:

Protestants only? Hey, isn't the anglican label protestant as well?

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It depends on the church and context of 'protestant'.

Anglicanism is a bit difficult to label in that regard, because the Church of England in and of itself is very, very catholic- which is the epicenter of the communion.

But when considering the episcopal churches and such, it does start to tread on the general likenesses of a protestant institution. They tend to show similarities to Methodism and so forth.

SwordFall said:

It depends on the church and context of 'protestant'.

Anglicanism is a bit difficult to label in that regard, because the Church of England in and of itself is very, very catholic- which is the epicenter of the communion.

But when considering the episcopal churches and such, it does start to tread on the general likenesses of a protestant institution. They tend to show similarities to Methodism and so forth.

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Considering that Methodism branched off from Anglicanism, it's a bit surprising to hear it put the way you did. Anyway, the most accurate way of "typing" Anglicanism is to think of it as the perfect mainstream branch of Christianity--it accepted the main points of the Protestant Reformation but retained Catholic order and the sacramental system. If you call it one or the other, "Protestant" is the more common classification.

Albion said:

Considering that Methodism branched off from Anglicanism, it's a bit surprising to hear it put the way you did. Anyway, the most accurate way of "typing" Anglicanism is to think of it as the perfect mainstream branch of Christianity--it accepted the main points of the Protestant Reformation but retained Catholic order and the sacramental system. If you call it one or the other, "Protestant" is the more common classification.

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The perfect mainstream branch? Well it would seem you do like your Church just a tad.
What type of Anglican are you?

Rev Randy said:

The perfect mainstream branch? Well it would seem you do like your Church just a tad. What type of Anglican are you?

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His church is not part of the Anglican Communion if that's what you mean. So the "perfect mainstream branch" is presumably a fairly small twig.

Albion said:

Considering that Methodism branched off from Anglicanism, it's a bit surprising to hear it put the way you did. Anyway, the most accurate way of "typing" Anglicanism is to think of it as the perfect mainstream branch of Christianity--it accepted the main points of the Protestant Reformation but retained Catholic order and the sacramental system. If you call it one or the other, "Protestant" is the more common classification.

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I consider Methodism protestant in that it's just an inverted belief of Reformed doctrine, supposing free will instead of predestination as a core theological gear, but maintaining a very protestant nature nonetheless.

I think Anglican's biggest blunder is accepting Protestant beliefs, not because I'm Roman Catholic, but because it seems more like bartering then harmonizing. I believe the CoE would have done very well in maintaining her distance- the Roman and Greek churches would have a more impressing notion on them today.

Godisgood12 said:

Should I say that Im rich in worldly possessions and become a liar?

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Why would you ask that?

Godisgood12 said:

So Anglic is catholic Albion? I have never heard that before. How come they don't call themselves catholic instead? Nobody needs the deceit.

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I suppose you could do some research on Henry VIII or something.