Sen. Dennis Kruse Pushes For Mandatory Lord's Prayer Indiana Public schools
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At least twice, it was mentioned that the Protestant version includes the words "for thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever and ever," whereas the Catholic version does not. It ends (except for the "Amen") with "Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil."
In addition, some Protestants pray "Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors," while Catholics and the rest of the Protestants pray "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."
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No, that was from the Orthodox Mass, not the Catholic Mass, and it is only said at that point in the Mass; when the Lord's Prayer is recited alone the lines are not added. The Catholic mass did not include the lines at all.
Yes it is all semantics. But wars have been fought over semantics. Just 50 or 60 years ago there was such a divide, even in America between Catholics and Protestants, that they would have nothing to do with one another. Catholics and Protestants had separate translations of the Bible*. Catholics even had their own verses to many Christmas carols so they would not have to sing the Protestant versions.
Plus, if a group is going to recite the prayer together, they need to know exactly what words to say, so they are not stumbling over one another, some using nine words (twelve syllables) to ask for forgiveness and others using twelve words (seventeen syllables), and some abruptly ending and shouting "Amen" while others still have two more lines to go.
*And there were only the two acceptable translations: the Protestant "King James Bible" and the Catholic Douay-Riems translation. The KJV included the "for thine" lines in Matthew 6; the D-R did not.
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No difference as long as you ignore what's been repeatedly said.
And the only way to resolve the "semantics" concern will be for Indiana to choose an "official" Lord's Prayer for their students to be forced to recite.
Sounds like an endorsement of religion... refresh my memory, which Amendment lets them do that?
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Well, the schism between Eastern and Western Christianity (Orthodoxy vs Catholicism, since they were the only tewo major "brands" of Christianity at he time) was largely over the whether or not the creed should include one word "Filioque": Does the Holy Spiirit proceed from the Father, or from the Father and the Son?
I'm sure there are other examples that I can't think of off the top of my head.
I'm sure there are other examples that I can't think of off the top of my head.
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Dunno and don't care. It doesn't change anything.
The reason school prayer was removed in the first place was because some of the teachers were abusing it. Before anyone thinks I'm betraying my Christian values, consider that while there'd be a lot of non-specific or Christian-based prayers, something like this would happen soon enough:
Yeah, it's obviously hyperbole, but do you want your child taught to pray to Allah, Amaterasu, or their ancestors? No.
My solution to this is pretty much my solution to everything involving the horrible monstrosity that is public schools: More charter schools and school choice.
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So the Catholics protested the Protestants.
And of course that is what is known as the counter-reformation.
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What does Our Lady Of Perpetual Motion say about it, that's what we all need to know. [/George Carlin]
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Whichever one it is, it will quickly devolve into "Lord Help Our Colts," written by Duke Tomato. Except during basketball season, in which case they will still speculate if their Basketball arena should have stained glass windows.
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Dunno and don't care. It doesn't change anything.
The reason school prayer was removed in the first place was because some of the teachers were abusing it. Before anyone thinks I'm betraying my Christian values, consider that while there'd be a lot of non-specific or Christian-based prayers, something like this would happen soon enough:
Yeah, it's obviously hyperbole, but do you want your child taught to pray to Allah, Amaterasu, or their ancestors? No.
My solution to this is pretty much my solution to everything involving the horrible monstrosity that is public schools: More charter schools and school choice.
The cartoon is great and I truly believe it is not too far of from reality.
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One, singular. There's only one, and when it was built that was the big discussion: maybe it should. Last I knew, it didn't.
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