Is it a sin to have a sex change? [Moved]
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I never said Peter could change the mind of God--your English is hard to follow and you apparently can not read it too well, either. I am not who saves, Jesus is. I am not butting into their business, I am butting into your condemnation of things you have no knowledge of, including what the bible says. I, too, believe in the power of God. And all Christians have the same mandate from Jesus--to go out and preach His word, not our own ideas, but His, according to the bible. You have missed the whole point. I will certainly pray that you will be transformed by the power of God's love. Nothing else need be said.
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I am ready and expectant to stand before my Father and Creator and thank Him that He created me this way and I know I have walked a journey in life that was centered around the destiny He had for me as His daughter. I have a clear conscience and an open spirit to the leading of the Holy Spirit and I pray you have the same.
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Peace to you.
Yes, finally.
God bless you.
No need for your prayers, they will end up as curse, anger prayer is a tool of Christian destruction and by the sound/writing of you, you are not very happy with me.. You preach no Love to me, that's for sure. The personal attacks show it all and english is my 3 language, so forgive me if you find it hard to understand me. I have love for all unbelievers even transsexuals, I would never Judge them if they knew not Jesus or are not Christians, and that is what you are implying, and you are wrong.
I am AGAIN saying I am talking about christians on this op.
Were in the bible it says change you sex if you are " born" with mind that is women but body is man.? Nowere. But again let's assume its on the allowed list, and argue with people who say it sin, and always say the favourite thing when " Christians " like to get away with doing something ? What is it? SCRIPTUAL PROOF.
AND. Peter/ satan was trying Jesus to feel sorry for himself, because Jesus was without sin, all satan needed was Jesus just a little to think poor " me". Because Jesus knew in so detail about his own death. Would you trust in God without feeling sorry for yourself? People don't even trust small thing, let alone big burdens like gender change or not being happy and thankful who you are born. But I will tell people who want to be happy in their own body and skin,but cannot on their own, that Jesus Christ can do it and is the only answer.
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Since it is apparent that the participants in this ongoing forum are at an impasse I will refrain from further participation in it. My goal of building bridges of communicaton has been very limited. I have lived my life working out my own salvation in fear of God and trembling in the power of His prescence for 41 years and will continue on the path and destiny He set before me. For each of you may you Be Blessed in your own lives and destinies as well.
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Why is common sense so uncommon? Use your brains people, it's sick, sick, sick.
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That is your opinion and you have every right to claim it. The problem is rveryone tries to impose their beliefs and brand of religion on others and attempt to make them coform to what you believe and in reality they have the same rights as you do. This is why it is called a walk of faith and not a walk of conformity. My personal beliefs guide me on just as yours do. Only the Father on the throne will decide which beliefs are valid and which ones are false, none of us has either the right or wisdom to do so for anyone but their own self.
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It's a pretty safe bet that you are uninformed on a certain topic when your only opinion is "Ewww, gross!"
And 'common sense' is just a term that's trotted out to express superiority. Even if 'common sense' existed, it would surely be wrong according to scriptures.
There simply is no life in your words.
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Please don't get angry or upset at my question.
Why do you think Father will decide who's beliefs are right or wrong?
We should know right from wrong now in Christ. Adam and Eve ate from the tree knowledge good and evil, now in Christ Jesus we are over comers of evil and in the spirit, we will Know. Our works will show us were we go in the end, and there will be no arguing, just pure shock.
I have nothing against you as human. Please know that, I have against devil and his way of deceiving people and specially Christian people.
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Is it a sin to get a sex change? Yes.
However, in rare cases such as Hermaphroditism/Intersex (a person born with both male and female reproductive organs), should be able to undergo surgery on the basis of which of their reproductive organs are more prominent (which can be tested through ultrasounds, blood tests, chromosome analysis, and exploratory surgery). However, that in itself is not a sex change, since a hermaphrodite is not changing from their biological gender to the opposite gender, it can't be considered a true 'sex change'.
The bigger question here is why is getting a sex change a sin?
In my opinion, its because its not addressing the true problem which is first and foremost a spiritual problem; an inability to accept yourself for who you are physically - 'the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence'.
This might sound harsh, but I'm going to be honest when I say that I have struggled with transgenderism myself, everything that I am going to be talking about here is what I have learnt over the years through my own experience (everyone will have their own different opinion on this).
The truth is, that there is nothing wrong with being the biological gender you are. God created both man and woman equal, and in his image. Gender is not to be the centrepiece of our identity, Christ is.
Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Which is the other sin here in the picture, the idolization of the opposite gender and what is associated with it in our society.
Romans 1:24-25: Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
So if God deems both man and woman equal and both made in his image, then what's the problem here? The problem is with humanity and the way we attempt to address issues regarding sexuality. Now I agree with modern science that a person can be born with genetic prepositions that can affect an individuals personality (whether someone is more feminine or masculine - Sexual orientation and the size of the anterior commissure in the human brain.) but there's nothing wrong with that, Its a part of God's diversity, however if diversity is not treated with respect, it can lead to many problems down the road (which Is what I'm going to talk about next).
However, I think the reason why someone might want to desire to be the opposite gender (or be attracted to the same sex) is due to environmental factors. And this is where it gets personal for myself.
Now, I do fit into the genetic preposition that I was talking about earlier, and prior to certain events I was a very happy little girl. The sort that enjoyed playing with toy trucks, action figurines, climbing trees, playing adventure games etc. And my parents were fine with that, to them I was the classic little tomboy.
However, where it all took an ugly turn for me was when I started school. At school I was sexually abused, and exposed to societies expectations of what men and women (those were the triggers for me). Over the years, first subconsciously, I thought If I were a male I would have more advantages such as being taller and stronger, and people would respect me more. As I grew, these thoughts became more intense, the church I attended during my teens with my family were advocates of complementarianism (not that I see anything wrong with complementarism, although its not the view I hold to), and were not for women speaking in church yet alone holding any position of leadership within the church.
Considering the nature of who I was (and still am) as an individual, and my desire to serve God, I was crushed. And I didn't receive much in support from my church either from when I first talked to the pastor at the time about my transgenderism. I ended up leaving the church in my late teens and haven't attended another church since (the final reason for me leaving was because I was being harassed by some of the female members of the church about my lack of interest in things such as dating, they thought I was a homosexual and accused me of such behind my back).
I thought there was something wrong with me, that God hated me for who I was and what I was struggling with. There was something wrong with me, but it wasn't all on me, nor all my fault.
I felt that I had only two choices;
Fit the female stereotype: play the gender role game that society and the church wanted me to play, ignore the burden I was struggling with and pretend that everything was all good.
Or become a male: start afresh, bury my burden underneath me, ditch the church and possibly my family, and make it up with God later.
The above, were all mankind and temporary solutions. If I had chosen either option, they both would've resulted in death (either choice was form of dress up, a mask).
But little did I know that God had a third option for me;
Let Christ lift and carry the burdens off my shoulders, let him take my sins and wash me anew, let him be my new source of identification. When I turned to Christ, everything else that I had been so caught up in, began to fall away. Before I was in a dark place, in my own world, but Christ opened the heavens for me and the light came through. Through him, I have life and my true identity, and through Christ I can accept who I am.
I can be myself, I can honour the fact that I am a person within Christ, a unique person and a woman. I can humble myself to those (both men and women) who have humbled themselves to Christ. And although I have days where I struggle (we all do), Christ is always there to remind me that I am not of this world and no longer have to conform to the worlds standards, and God's way has the bigger picture in mind, life.
However, in rare cases such as Hermaphroditism/Intersex (a person born with both male and female reproductive organs), should be able to undergo surgery on the basis of which of their reproductive organs are more prominent (which can be tested through ultrasounds, blood tests, chromosome analysis, and exploratory surgery). However, that in itself is not a sex change, since a hermaphrodite is not changing from their biological gender to the opposite gender, it can't be considered a true 'sex change'.
The bigger question here is why is getting a sex change a sin?
In my opinion, its because its not addressing the true problem which is first and foremost a spiritual problem; an inability to accept yourself for who you are physically - 'the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence'.
This might sound harsh, but I'm going to be honest when I say that I have struggled with transgenderism myself, everything that I am going to be talking about here is what I have learnt over the years through my own experience (everyone will have their own different opinion on this).
The truth is, that there is nothing wrong with being the biological gender you are. God created both man and woman equal, and in his image. Gender is not to be the centrepiece of our identity, Christ is.
Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Which is the other sin here in the picture, the idolization of the opposite gender and what is associated with it in our society.
Romans 1:24-25: Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
So if God deems both man and woman equal and both made in his image, then what's the problem here? The problem is with humanity and the way we attempt to address issues regarding sexuality. Now I agree with modern science that a person can be born with genetic prepositions that can affect an individuals personality (whether someone is more feminine or masculine - Sexual orientation and the size of the anterior commissure in the human brain.) but there's nothing wrong with that, Its a part of God's diversity, however if diversity is not treated with respect, it can lead to many problems down the road (which Is what I'm going to talk about next).
However, I think the reason why someone might want to desire to be the opposite gender (or be attracted to the same sex) is due to environmental factors. And this is where it gets personal for myself.
Now, I do fit into the genetic preposition that I was talking about earlier, and prior to certain events I was a very happy little girl. The sort that enjoyed playing with toy trucks, action figurines, climbing trees, playing adventure games etc. And my parents were fine with that, to them I was the classic little tomboy.
However, where it all took an ugly turn for me was when I started school. At school I was sexually abused, and exposed to societies expectations of what men and women (those were the triggers for me). Over the years, first subconsciously, I thought If I were a male I would have more advantages such as being taller and stronger, and people would respect me more. As I grew, these thoughts became more intense, the church I attended during my teens with my family were advocates of complementarianism (not that I see anything wrong with complementarism, although its not the view I hold to), and were not for women speaking in church yet alone holding any position of leadership within the church.
Considering the nature of who I was (and still am) as an individual, and my desire to serve God, I was crushed. And I didn't receive much in support from my church either from when I first talked to the pastor at the time about my transgenderism. I ended up leaving the church in my late teens and haven't attended another church since (the final reason for me leaving was because I was being harassed by some of the female members of the church about my lack of interest in things such as dating, they thought I was a homosexual and accused me of such behind my back).
I thought there was something wrong with me, that God hated me for who I was and what I was struggling with. There was something wrong with me, but it wasn't all on me, nor all my fault.
I felt that I had only two choices;
Fit the female stereotype: play the gender role game that society and the church wanted me to play, ignore the burden I was struggling with and pretend that everything was all good.
Or become a male: start afresh, bury my burden underneath me, ditch the church and possibly my family, and make it up with God later.
The above, were all mankind and temporary solutions. If I had chosen either option, they both would've resulted in death (either choice was form of dress up, a mask).
But little did I know that God had a third option for me;
Let Christ lift and carry the burdens off my shoulders, let him take my sins and wash me anew, let him be my new source of identification. When I turned to Christ, everything else that I had been so caught up in, began to fall away. Before I was in a dark place, in my own world, but Christ opened the heavens for me and the light came through. Through him, I have life and my true identity, and through Christ I can accept who I am.
I can be myself, I can honour the fact that I am a person within Christ, a unique person and a woman. I can humble myself to those (both men and women) who have humbled themselves to Christ. And although I have days where I struggle (we all do), Christ is always there to remind me that I am not of this world and no longer have to conform to the worlds standards, and God's way has the bigger picture in mind, life.
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How about an utter lack of compassion for people who are stuck with a horribly ostracizing medical condition? Where does that fall on the 'morality' scale?
It's not like these folks just get really hammered and decide to try something new for fun.
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HCrossth2012,
In the course of my 41 years of walking with God I have been a part of seveRal denominations and various charismatic or evangelical churches and each one of these has believed in Jesus Christ as Lord and after that the theologies and doctrines are as diverse as the communities they reflect. I was raised Catholic and taught all protestants, especially Baptists, were going to hell in a handbasket. When the Jesus movement sprang up the traditional churches were basically ridiculed and dismissed as being dead or on life support. Within the charismatic circles I was involved among others with the Covenant church movement who were spiritual pioneers in the areas of discipleship and home churches. We were called heretics and yet both of these are commonplace within the church today. The Pentecostal and Holiness movements have been dismissed as being overly emotional. I could continue but I hope you see the basis for my statement. God graciously gives groups of believers certain revelations or giftings to reveal to His children a new, to us, facet of His infinite Self however how the gift is received or utilized and implemented can vary greatly. While I was a part of the Covenant church movement at some point we took our eyes off the Giver of gifts and started, by default, worshipping the gift itself. Several people were casualties as well as marriages and families before there was a corporate cry of repentance and for forgiveness for our idol worship of what was meant to be a gift to the body. He was gracious and there was restoration and healing released through the Body but the casualty count was high. Yes we walk by Faith and not by sight but even as familiarity breeds contempt so does spiritual laziness create a breeding ground for deception whether intentional or not. At the point we decide it is easier to receive the Word of God from another man or woman instead of seeking God on our faces if necessary to hear Him speak directly to us we open ourselves to deception and manipulation. When Moses led Israel out of Egypt and to God's holy mountain God instruted Him to have the people to prepare themselves and He would come down and speak directly to them. Whether fear of God or laziness controlled them is irrevelant but their decision to receive the Word of God through another man started man's desire to let someone else seek God for them and it extends to this day. I can say this without malice and with the personal knowledge of having done the same early in my walk and it left scars on my spirit for a very long season. I am not negating the need for denominations or pastoral oversight but I am saying the cornerstone of our walk has to be an ongoing growing, thriving and living relationship with our Father and Jesus Christ , our first born brother and Savior and the Holy Spirit. Only then can we safely and wisely receive counsel and guidance from men. This is a long answer but I felt a need to expound it clearly.Be Blessed
Charlena M. Andrews
In the course of my 41 years of walking with God I have been a part of seveRal denominations and various charismatic or evangelical churches and each one of these has believed in Jesus Christ as Lord and after that the theologies and doctrines are as diverse as the communities they reflect. I was raised Catholic and taught all protestants, especially Baptists, were going to hell in a handbasket. When the Jesus movement sprang up the traditional churches were basically ridiculed and dismissed as being dead or on life support. Within the charismatic circles I was involved among others with the Covenant church movement who were spiritual pioneers in the areas of discipleship and home churches. We were called heretics and yet both of these are commonplace within the church today. The Pentecostal and Holiness movements have been dismissed as being overly emotional. I could continue but I hope you see the basis for my statement. God graciously gives groups of believers certain revelations or giftings to reveal to His children a new, to us, facet of His infinite Self however how the gift is received or utilized and implemented can vary greatly. While I was a part of the Covenant church movement at some point we took our eyes off the Giver of gifts and started, by default, worshipping the gift itself. Several people were casualties as well as marriages and families before there was a corporate cry of repentance and for forgiveness for our idol worship of what was meant to be a gift to the body. He was gracious and there was restoration and healing released through the Body but the casualty count was high. Yes we walk by Faith and not by sight but even as familiarity breeds contempt so does spiritual laziness create a breeding ground for deception whether intentional or not. At the point we decide it is easier to receive the Word of God from another man or woman instead of seeking God on our faces if necessary to hear Him speak directly to us we open ourselves to deception and manipulation. When Moses led Israel out of Egypt and to God's holy mountain God instruted Him to have the people to prepare themselves and He would come down and speak directly to them. Whether fear of God or laziness controlled them is irrevelant but their decision to receive the Word of God through another man started man's desire to let someone else seek God for them and it extends to this day. I can say this without malice and with the personal knowledge of having done the same early in my walk and it left scars on my spirit for a very long season. I am not negating the need for denominations or pastoral oversight but I am saying the cornerstone of our walk has to be an ongoing growing, thriving and living relationship with our Father and Jesus Christ , our first born brother and Savior and the Holy Spirit. Only then can we safely and wisely receive counsel and guidance from men. This is a long answer but I felt a need to expound it clearly.Be Blessed
Charlena M. Andrews
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Each of us has to stand before God and be accountable for their own life. In your case the circumstances you went through were unique to you and I am blessed that you have found the option you feel God provided for you and I say that in great sincerity. I am a transexual woman and have know since early childhood that I was a female inside though I was unaware of how to express it. I waited 58 years to finally step into my true identity.I am not running or hiding from anytrhing and that part of my life is the foundation upon which I grew as a woman. I know there are many who may feel and respond as you did but personally it was with a great deal of prayer, seeking God and counting the cost that I finally made the decision. For me personally I felt I needed to be the woman I was created to be in order to fulfil the destiny that He prepared had for me. I do wish to compliment you on the post, it was very well crafted and put down. I pray you reralize that I can admire you for your walk and your convictions while not agreeing with it for everyone. Be Blessed in all you set your hand to.
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Each of us has to stand before God and be accountable for their own life. In your case the circumstances you went through were unique to you and I am blessed that you have found the option you feel God provided for you and I say that in great sincerity. I am a transexual woman and have know since early childhood that I was a female inside though I was unaware of how to express it. I waited 58 years to finally step into my true identity.I am not running or hiding from anytrhing and that part of my life is the foundation upon which I grew as a woman. I know there are many who may feel and respond as you did but personally it was with a great deal of prayer, seeking God and counting the cost that I finally made the decision. For me personally I felt I needed to be the woman I was created to be in order to fulfil the destiny that He prepared had for me. I do wish to compliment you on the post, it was very well crafted and put down. I pray you reralize that I can admire you for your walk and your convictions while not agreeing with it for everyone. Be Blessed in all you set your hand to.
Charlena M. Andrews
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I assume you have medical and psychology training in order to properly make an accurate assessment of the nature of the sexual identity that any given person self identifies as and why?
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