In case you didn't know (USA persons)...

Nekoda · Oct 25, 2012

There was recently a 3rd party debate moderated by Larry King:

US Third Party Presidential Debate (Moderated by Larry King) - YouTube

I personally agreed and disagreed with everyone on *something* - but Jill Stein and Gary Johnson stood out to me - even though G.J's personality rubs me the wrong way.

Jill Stein - because green energy is a reality - no matter what Purdue University has said (I have a book that exposes their lies) - the USA has the land to grow bio crops to fuel the whole nation (and replace some electricity too) and food and have still the largest percentage left over.

Didn't like: The Fantasy of free College education for all.

GJ: He's like a Ron Paul but minus the humility - not quite sure exactly where he stands on pulling all the troops out.

In any case - because of their stance on personal liberties and getting rid of draconian police state legislation (NDAA/Patriot Act) - I'd support any one of them over the current two clowns running for office.

MacFall · Oct 25, 2012

Johnson's the only one for whom I'd vote, if I were to vote in the Presidential election at all. I was glad to see he got the most applause out of anyone there.

I agree that any of the 3rd parties would be better than either of the mainstream candidates, although only because of their stances on war. Virgil Goode seems to want to end foreign wars so the government would have more resources to put into the war on drugs, and Jill and Rocky make Obama seem economically literate by comparison.

Goode, from what I've seen in the debate and elsewhere, is basically one of those John Birch Society types who believes in limited government only so long as that idea doesn't get in the way of the government having the power to force people to be moral and exclude foreign competition in goods and labor. I was especially annoyed that the Constitution Party candidate is not for ending the War on Drugs, under which every single Amendment in the Bill of Rights except for the third one is being constantly violated. You'd think a so-called constitutionalist would care about that.

Nekoda · Oct 25, 2012

MacFall said:
Johnson's the only one for whom I'd vote, if I were to vote in the Presidential election at all. I was glad to see he got the most applause out of anyone there.

I agree that any of the 3rd parties would be better than either of the mainstream candidates, although only because of their stances on war. Virgil Goode seems to want to end foreign wars so the government would have more resources to put into the war on drugs, and Jill and Rocky make Obama seem economically literate by comparison.

Goode, from what I've seen in the debate and elsewhere, is basically one of those John Birch Society types who believes in limited government only so long as that idea doesn't get in the way of the government having the power to force people to be moral and exclude foreign competition in goods and labor. I was especially annoyed that the Constitution Party candidate is not for ending the War on Drugs, under which every single Amendment in the Bill of Rights except for the third one is being constantly violated. You'd think a so-called constitutionalist would care about that.

Interesting thoughts, MacFall. Thank you for sharing them. I admit there were some cringe moments for me in the debates - starting with opining about "Democracy" (as opposed to the Republic) and "climate change". I thought both Jill and Rocky embarrassed themselves with the idea of "free higher education for all" - but I did like Jill's stance on green energy - going green is possible and would help end the nightmare of war the world has lived in for decades. With reference to Goode - I agree with you.

Allen1901 · Oct 25, 2012

I voted for Jill Stein a few weeks ago (early voting). Obama is not liberal enough for me.

Blessings!!

toastface_grillah · Oct 25, 2012

I did that "Where do you stand" candidate picker last week and it matched me up with Jill Stein. I'd totally vote third party if it made a difference. Nevermind that "the more votes they get today, the more support/power/awesomeness they have tomorrow" business - half the nation could write in Josiah Bartlet, and the winning candate will either have a D- or an R- after his name.

Sketcher · Oct 25, 2012

Gary Johnson would have been my candidate if he were pro-life.

broken_one · Oct 25, 2012

MacFall · Oct 25, 2012

Sketcher said:
Gary Johnson would have been my candidate if he were pro-life.

He's for repealing Roe v Wade (making it a state issue) and ending federal funding for abortions, which are responsible for most abortions being performed. I think that's about the closest to ending the problem through the political process that one could hope for.

Nilloc · Oct 26, 2012

I really like Gary Johnson. He's coming to Ohio next Friday and I would go see him, but I have a prior engagement. He'll be debating Jill Stein one-on-one next week, which will be great. Also, it was like he was channeling Ron Paul when he was talking about the Fed. And that's good for him, since I think he was originally kind of soft on the issue several months ago.

Sketcher · Oct 26, 2012

MacFall said:
He's for repealing Roe v Wade (making it a state issue) and ending federal funding for abortions, which are responsible for most abortions being performed. I think that's about the closest to ending the problem through the political process that one could hope for.

And if he pushed that rather than being The Only Pro-Choice Candidate during the Republican primaries, he would have been a front-runner.

MacFall · Oct 26, 2012

Well, maybe not. Ron Paul has been vehemently pro-life for his whole career, and the Republican Party establishment, including most of the rank-and-file, just HATES him.

Im_A · Oct 26, 2012

Nekoda said:
There was recently a 3rd party debate moderated by Larry King:

US Third Party Presidential Debate (Moderated by Larry King) - YouTube

I personally agreed and disagreed with everyone on *something* - but Jill Stein and Gary Johnson stood out to me - even though G.J's personality rubs me the wrong way.

Jill Stein - because green energy is a reality - no matter what Purdue University has said (I have a book that exposes their lies) - the USA has the land to grow bio crops to fuel the whole nation (and replace some electricity too) and food and have still the largest percentage left over.

Didn't like: The Fantasy of free College education for all.

GJ: He's like a Ron Paul but minus the humility - not quite sure exactly where he stands on pulling all the troops out.

In any case - because of their stance on personal liberties and getting rid of draconian police state legislation (NDAA/Patriot Act) - I'd support any one of them over the current two clowns running for office.

I will have to say this video to watch later...thanks.

Sketcher · Oct 26, 2012

MacFall said:
Well, maybe not. Ron Paul has been vehemently pro-life for his whole career, and the Republican Party establishment, including most of the rank-and-file, just HATES him.

Ron Paul also had a more radical foreign policy.

Boondock_Saint · Oct 27, 2012

I stopped watching when they got their biased facts wrong about the electoral college. George Bush got more votes in Florida, not Gore by 500 votes. He couldn't bring himself to say who really got the most votes. He wanted it to be Gore so bad he made up numbers and results to the aid of the story presented. They made it sound as if nobody wants the electoral college. But many of those who don't want it, don't understand it or are too selfish to understand it.

The electoral college sucks... now to the Presidential debates.
No thanks.

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