Do Christians Judge Others

stormdancer0 said:

Having said all that, in some ways, we ARE to judge. Does the Bible not say that if one of our brothers (or sisters) in Christ are in sin, we are to correct them? Does this not call for a judging of someone else's actions?

When we proclaim the Gospel, and tell someone they must repent of sin, are we not telling them they are sinners? Is this not judgment?

I believe we can and should at times judge ACTIONS, but never people. We can say, "When you do this, you are sinning," but not, "You are evil, you are bad, etc."

There's a vast difference. We MUST be able to discuss sin with unbelievers - not just generically, but specifically. We have to let the thief know that stealing is wrong. We have to let the gay person know that same-sex intercourse is wrong. This is not judging the person, only the actions.

The Gospel, in order to make any sense, has to explain why Jesus came, and what He saved us from.

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I agree, i think Judging someone is where we think we are better than them in some way, we should think of others as better than our self, we must humble ourselves, sometimes we must do this daily, satan wants to deceive us and the flesh is proud, no one is free from this, its not a problem as long as we stand on what the word teaches us, it says no one is good and that we are not better than others, if we don't arm ourselves with this mind we will be lead astray by pride.

I always pray that i not be deceived, i think its important, and i judge myself by a very high standard, i would rather err on the side of caution if i am to err. Many Christians are guilty of pride and don't even know it, some have even been Christians for many many years. We must see this pride in ourselves and submit to the teaching of scriptures which says to fear God, and we must humble ourselves daily if needed. This scripture below shows how we should worship and serve the Lord.



2Co_7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Php_2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

1Pe_2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king

Heb_12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

sa_31:19 Oh how great is thy goodness, which thou hast laid up for them that fear thee; which thou hast wrought for them that trust in thee before the sons of men!

Psa_34:9 O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.


Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Jesus said that everyone who is of the truth hears His voice. He and the Holy Spirit bear witness to the truth. We judge all "things" (not people). People do speak by a spirit. We are to judge those spirits, weighing them for truth. We compare them to the Word of God with understanding.

We judge ourselves from the standpoint that we present ourselves to God in a good conscience, in the fear of the Lord.

We do not judge ourselves from the standpoint of approving (or even disapproving) ourselves without the sight the Spirit of God provides. We agree with what He says about us and keep our eyes upon Him as a revealer of truth.

We do not judge people. We judge what they say and do with the eye of our spirit man in union with the Spirit of God. We weigh their actions for truth or deception. We can speak (as the Lord permits us) to declare our judgment. As Paul might say, "and I think I have the Spirit of God".

If we render a final judgment against persons (by our own fleshly judgment, separated from the voice of truth -- often not limited to words), then we come under that very judgment and we'll stand before God to answer for it.

Christians should weigh everything they hear (especially in church) for present day truth and be VERY careful not to speak in unrighteous judgment against anyone. It is a good exercise of faith, to acknowledge the Holy Spirit's part within us to do what He does, and submit our thoughts and tongues to what He would reveal.

The best way not to judge is to never assume. If you simply let people show themselves, it's not judgment, it's disgrace.

And how does charity fit into all this i wonder? How does loving others as ourself help us disgrace people?

Forgive me, im not perfect and its been a difficult day. You know what would be nice? To hear everyone confessing their own faults instead of whatever it is we do here. That would be so awesome to behold. Everyone humble and loving each other as themselves, admitting their faults and praying for each other. What beauty that picture would show, that would be the love that we read about in the bible, it would be comforting and encouraging. I wish we could do that.

That would do more to make others come to Christ than anything i can think of. Please for the love of the Gospel lets all humble our self and admit our faults and pray for each other, yes i'm preaching to myself also, i need much prayer and love.

I mean just imagine it for a moment, people who don't know Christ come here and see us all humble, admitting our faults and praying for each other, who wouldn't want to be a part of that? Who wouldn't want to know the Lord of those kinds of people? Are you guys with me? Lets do this thing.

thomasalias said:

And how does charity fit into all this i wonder? How does loving others as ourself help us disgrace people?

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I'm sorry - I must have given you a bad impression. I would never disgrace anyone. I am as sinful as anyone, and more than some.

We are to "keep each other honest." Only a good friend would do such a thing. My women's prayer group is open and honest, and we all "judge" each other, but it's only because we trust each other with our secrets. We all have sins that we are vulnerable to. When I'm feeling weak, or have stumbled, I go to them, and they won't let me get away with excuses. I do the same for them. We truly love each other.

I would NEVER share my sins on a forum such as this. I don't know anyone well enough to trust them to help me, rather than shove me down.

The question was, should a Christian judge others. I gave a general answer. No, I don't think it would be a good idea for us to post our sins for all the world to see. I am open to my pastor, and my prayer partners, and also to God. My sins are no one else's business. And neither are yours. Or anyone elses.

stormdancer0 said:

I'm sorry - I must have given you a bad impression. I would never disgrace anyone. I am as sinful as anyone, and more than some.

We are to "keep each other honest." Only a good friend would do such a thing. My women's prayer group is open and honest, and we all "judge" each other, but it's only because we trust each other with our secrets. We all have sins that we are vulnerable to. When I'm feeling weak, or have stumbled, I go to them, and they won't let me get away with excuses. I do the same for them. We truly love each other.

I would NEVER share my sins on a forum such as this. I don't know anyone well enough to trust them to help me, rather than shove me down.

The question was, should a Christian judge others. I gave a general answer. No, I don't think it would be a good idea for us to post our sins for all the world to see. I am open to my pastor, and my prayer partners, and also to God. My sins are no one else's business. And neither are yours. Or anyone elses.

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I wasn't referring to your comments sister. But my point was that if we truly wanted to attract people to the Gospel then we would all humble ourself and love each other. I thought confessing our faults was a good way to humble ourselves and praying for each other is a good way to love each other. What you say has wisdom in it, but i think what i say also has wisdom in it. Maybe im wrong, but i dont think so and surely this place needs more humility.

I find that being honest about ones self and judging ourself helps us not to judge others. Sometimes i judge people for something and then see it in myself, all of a sudden i don't judge that person any more but myself instead. This must come from Gods spirit i think. Truth comes from Gods spirit. All we can do is pray for Gods help, asking that he not let us be deceived, and that he lead us in all truth and help us to love others as ourself and to forgive not judge and to show mercy and compassion. The apostle Paul says in Corinthians 11:31 that if we would judge ourselves we should not be judged.




1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

If we are to judge, it is this same judgment Jesus operated within.

Joh 8:15-16 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

The view of all things in Christ becomes brighter and brighter to us, "to know the unsearchable riches that are in Christ," who is in us, and we in him. This includes the unsearchable riches that are this judgment, who he has become to us.

A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

The way I interpret the Word, we as Christians have a responsibility to judge the action but we should never judge the intent.

x141 said:

Not choosing sides here, but Where does that leave Enoch?

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Enoch lived in a time when we had not been given scripture. God does not require someone to follow something he does not have.

Enoch was special - in some way, some how, he was able to keep himself apart from the sinfulness of his time, and actually walked with God. I believe this was an actual theophany visiting him.

Kalasin said:

"Do not judge, and you shall not be judged." - Jesus.

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Where did Jesus ever say that?

Luk_6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Joh_7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1Co_11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

Mat_6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

I got judged for admitting i judged because i would rather err on the side of caution then think highly of myself, im not sure what judging is exactly so i'll assume i judge so that in effect i judge myself, i judged myself and should not have been judged. But im far from perfect and cannot expect any of you to be perfect either. Im going to preach the word, don't judge me for it, please.

stormdancer0 said:

Enoch lived in a time when we had not been given scripture. God does not require someone to follow something he does not have.

Enoch was special - in some way, some how, he was able to keep himself apart from the sinfulness of his time, and actually walked with God. I believe this was an actual theophany visiting him.

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What Enoch is a picture of becomes more clear as you begin to see into the garden/city/soul/woman/bride/beloved that is enclosed. The first garden was not enclosed, this is not the beloved, the last garden, the heavenly Jerusalem is a garden enclosed, a virgin adorned for her husband.

To be in something is to be the femine in relationship of the one you are in. For something to be in you is to be the masculine in relationship to the one who is in you. All this is in relationship to every thought, every son of the Father who is the covering of us all. Moses was in the mount, the law of the spirit of life, when he came down from the mount he became the law of sin and death. When Sarah's son was weaned she became clean and saw the bondwoman and her son as mocking the Truth. Her words became clean to Abraham in the casting out of the bondwoman. She had become a garden enclosed. The first woman's words that Adam harkened to were unclean.

x141 said:

What Enoch is a picture of becomes more clear as you begin to see into the garden/city/soul/woman/bride/beloved that is enclosed. The first garden was not enclosed, this is not the beloved, the last garden, the heavenly Jerusalem is a garden enclosed, a virgin adorned for her husband.

To be in something is to be the femine in relationship of the one you are in. For something to be in you is to be the masculine in relationship to the one who is in you. All this is in relationship to every thought, every son of the Father who is the covering of us all. Moses was in the mount, the law of the spirit of life, when he came down from the mount he became the law of sin and death. When Sarah's son was circumcised she became clean and saw the bondwoman and her son as mocking the Truth. Her words became clean to Abraham in the casting out of the bondwoman. She had become a garden enclosed. The first woman's words that Adam harkened to were unclean.

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WOW, that's a lot of assumption. The circumcision of Isaac cleansed Sarah? Where on earth did you get that? It is not in the Bible. Sarah demanded that Hagar and Ishamael leave at Isaac's weaning, not his circumcision. Neither had anything to do with her words being clean.

And why would you think that Eve's first words to Adam were unclean? How long was Adam and Eve in the garden before Satan spoke to Eve? There's nothing that indicates that these were Eve's first words. They may have been there for centuries before they fell.

The whole "masculine/feminine" thing is, IMO, complete boloney. It is the way of thinking that chauvinistic men use to justify considering the feminine as the "evil" and the masculine as the "good."

stormdancer0 said:

WOW, that's a lot of assumption. The circumcision of Isaac cleansed Sarah? Where on earth did you get that? It is not in the Bible. Sarah demanded that Hagar and Ishamael leave at Isaac's weaning, not his circumcision. Neither had anything to do with her words being clean.

And why would you think that Eve's first words to Adam were unclean? How long was Adam and Eve in the garden before Satan spoke to Eve? There's nothing that indicates that these were Eve's first words. They may have been there for centuries before they fell.

The whole "masculine/feminine" thing is, IMO, complete boloney. It is the way of thinking that chauvinistic men use to justify considering the feminine as the "evil" and the masculine as the "good."

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Thanks for the correction on the word weaned (there is a connection to being weaned and being set in the house as a son).

It's not about male nor female but soul and spirit which we all have. If Sarah's words were unclean God would have never told Abraham, listen to your wife. And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life. Here is the voice of the wife, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

I can be considered a bride and a virgin by scripture yet I am a man. Natural things are shadows and types, do men give birth, yet the scripture depicts this, to what end? I am a son to the Father yet I am a bride to the The Son. Why did hagar cry out but God said I heard your son when there is no mention of the boy saying anything? Why are cities addressed as woman and Israel as whole addressed as a son. Is there no purpose to this at all, should we discard this as nonsense. Do we believe in part of scripture and cast out what we do not understand or do we lay it aside until our Father opens our understanding to these things. Do you honestly believe that woman are not supposed to teach in the church or is there adeeper understanding that was not put into the words that were penned down. You think that what Paul wrote is the summation of all the knowledge that the Father revealed to him. How do you write down things that have no depth or height. The Bible is not a haphazard collection of words but have a cohesiveness that defies the ability of our soul to find it. I am like hagar if he does not open my eyes to see I will not see.


Isa_28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

stormdancer0 said:

I would NEVER share my sins on a forum such as this. I don't know anyone well enough to trust them to help me, rather than shove me down.

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I agree. Furthermore, unfortunately, there are times when it's hard to do this with people that you actually know and (supposedly) know you, let alone on a forum. Too many people assume things when they have limited information, and have no right to point fingers. That's why I try to be as careful as I can about trying not to judge. I know I have things to work on, as does everybody else. I mean, if there is a plank in my own eye, who am I to set out to remove a little speck in someone else's?