Enhanced ABC video shows Zimmerman's head injury
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I'm guessing if most of us were in Zimmerman's shoes, we would have shown the common sense the good God gave a squirrel and NOT stalked Martin against the directions of 911 dispatchers and provoked a fatal confrontation.
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We do? What evidence, other than Mr. Zimmerman's own version of the story? The fact is, the only evidence we have is Mr. Zimmerman's own version of events.
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Personally, I would have called the police and let them handle it, not tried to play Rambo. Of course Mr. Zimmerman doesn't want a trial. He has already been in jail at least twice--I am sure he wouldn't want to go to trial again, which is all the more reason that he should have called the police and let them do the job that they are paid to do. He wasn't on Mr. Zimmerman's property.
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We have evidence that he told the 911dispatchers that he was following Martin and they told him not to follow him. He continued to follow.
He ignored police instructions.
Zimmerman has anger management issues from his recent run-ins and domestic violence issues.
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Would any of you have any problems with white leaders inciting white people if a black person had killed a white person and the person hadn't been arrested and put on trial?
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That's kind of been my guess from the start too. Some variation on that at least. The facts simply don't line up with Zimmerman's story very well. He claims to have stepped out of his car to check an address but that doesn't explain how his altercation with Martin takes place on somebody's back patio. The police investigators apparently felt the same way but the state prosecutors told them to not arrest the guy, a decision that the investigator filed an affidavit expressing his disagreement with.
I guess my question is this. How does this story change with minor alterations?
(A) Zimmerman calls Martin in to the police but decides not to pursue him. Martin is eventually stopped by the police, questioned, and walks the rest of his way home.
(B) Zimmerman does what he does but isn't packing heat. Maybe Martin goes a little further in trying to incapacitate his pursuer. Maybe Zimmerman spends a bit more time in the hospital. Maybe a broken orbit or something. Not a lot of fun for him, but two people basically walk away with minor injuries and the rest of their lives.
And it's still not clear who the aggressor in this situation was. All we have is a shooter's alibi. We may never know.
(B) is the reason I don't have any interest in carrying a concealed weapon. I enjoy taking trips to the range and all, but I don't ever want to make the mistake of killing somebody because I was panicked, stupid, or passionate. And those three factors are extremely common causes of unnecessary homicide. I kind of see shooting a gun as being comparable to playing pool or golf. It's extremely meditative. I don't ever intend to use mine for self defense.
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Umm, aside from their regular appearances on Fox News as the face of negroid America, do you really have any evidence that the 'New Black Panther Party' can even call themselves leaders of anything but a diminutive fringe? Kinda like the good folks at Stormfront who say similar things (if with a different ethnic persuasion).
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2) Muscle weighs too, not just fat. If you're looking for 240 lbs. of fat, you may not see it, but that doesn't mean his muscle doesn't bring his weight to 240.
3) Looks don't mean a thing. Unless he stands on a scale, you can't definitively prove he DOESN'T weigh 240.
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Does the Holy Spirit spur you to label people with pejoratives such as "wimp" and to talk in a contemptuous tone about crying?
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This is the whole issue, isn't it? Few deny that there was a confrontation and nobody denies that Zimmerman shot and killed Martin, an unarmed teenager walking home from the store. However, this became a needless death because a zealous wanna-be mall-cop could not let the real police do their job. Zimmerman may very well be found innocent in the murder of Martin however I believe he will be sued and found guilty in a civil court. He is responsible for Martin's death.
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There are no experts that state the cries for help were 99% not Zimmerman. If you are referring to the latest voice analysis experts hired by the Martin family lawyer, not only do they admit that by their own standards that verification cant be certain, but they definitely do not state the percentage this post has.
What we do have is at least two witnesses that corroborate Zimmermans statement that he was the one screaming for help. The police have had these statements since the beginning. From the statements made way back in February, it seems as though the screaming stopped when Zimmerman killed his attacker.
Zimmerman had every right to be in the neighborhood as anyone else who lives there and within his rights to question anyone as well. Despite what the non emergency police dispatch might of requested from Zimmerman when he was asked if he was following the suspect, Zimmerman was under no obligation to follow the vague reply of we dont need you to do that.
Also, from the tapes themselves when it was stated to Zimmerman that he did not NEED to follow the suspect, Zimmerman says OK and you can hear what we can assume is Zimmerman walking back to his vehicle as he stated in the police report. We even hear Zimmerman stop giving his address and settle on the mail box because Zimmerman doesnt know where Martin was. Further evidence that Zimmerman stopped following Martin and even more support that Martin confronted Zimmerman due to the fact that if Martin had eluded Zimmerman he should have had no problems going home if that was his actual intention.
Speeding ticket, mutual lovers quarrel and interference at a bar where an undercover plainclothes alcohol beverage control officer making arrest of Zimmermans friend in a bar where Zimmerman stated the officer did not identify himself and the officer says he did. All of which happened over several years ago and does not seem that outrageous to me.
But we do have recent history of where Zimmerman helped identify and apprehend other criminals in the neighborhood and was studying to become a police officer. I tend to think Zimmerman actually saw something about Martin that led him to call 911 to begin with, remember?
After several break-ins in the neighborhood here is Martin as was stated just standing around and just staring at all the houses in the middle of the rain. Something Martin was doing gave Zimmerman the impression that something was wrong with Martin and maybe on drugs. Why does this get dismissed so casually? Did the Skittles and Arizona tea get taken in as evidence? Was there really any such items?
Some people think they heard the word cold others hear something else there is nothing conclusive. However, there is now coming to light that there are videos where someone has altered the audio of the 911 tape to make it sound like you have suggested. Similar to what NBC had done when they specifically edited the audio from the 911 call from Zimmerman.
Unfortunate for the Martin family, yes. A shame he didn't just go home and not brutally attack Zimmerman.
What do you consider Zimmermans entouroge and what is changing? We know that the father of Martin stated that the voice in the recording was not his son to police-that has changed. We know that Martins father stated that Trayvon was suspended from school for being in an unauthorized area-that has changed. There is more, but you get the point.
What we have from the girlfriend is based upon the Martin family lawyers interpretation of what the girlfriend has stated. I have yet to read any testimony from the girlfriend herself.
Where is this testimony from this person and where has this person been all these weeks? We have police testimony from witnesses the night the incident happened that never saw Zimmerman on top of Martin and that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him up and Zimmerman was crying for help.
Due to the evidence, testimony, facts and questioning of Zimmerman at the station all collected from scene that the police gathered up, the District Attorney stated NO.
Could you please tell me where you get your propaganda I mean information? Only so I may avoid giving them any of my attention in the future? There hasnt been many posts that I have read here that are so severely twisted from the facts. But hey, I could be wrong. I wasnt there either. April 10th should bring some further light to the public.
http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html
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From the resident hardcore birther, for what that says about his powers of reason.
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