It is still NOT okay to eat pork. (2)

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THE pig or swine is a very popular food item with most Christians. Yet Christians are unaware that the God they profess to believe in had condemned the eating of swine's flesh. The condemnation was based on some very sound biological principles. Here are some facts on pork that prove it to be a very unhealthy food to eat:

A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, excrement, dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They will even eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals.
The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef or venison.
When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time.
Unlike other mammals, a pig does not sweat or perspire. Perspiration is a means by which toxins are removed from the body. Since a pig does not sweat, the toxins remain within its body and in the meat.
Pigs and swine are so poisonous that you can hardly kill them with strychnine or other poisons.
Farmers will often pen up pigs within a rattlesnake nest because the pigs will eat the snakes, and if bitten they will not be harmed by the venom.
When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms.
Swine and pigs have over a dozen parasites within them, such as tapeworms, flukes, worms, and trichinae. There is no safe temperature at which pork can be cooked to ensure that all these parasites, their cysts,and eggs will be killed.
Pig meat has twice as much fat as beef. A 3 oz T bone steak contains 8.5 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork chop contains 18 grams of fat. A 3 oz beef rib has 11.1 grams of fat; a 3 oz pork spare rib has 23.2 grams of fat.
Cows have a complex digestive system, having four stomachs. It thus takes over 24 hours to digest their vegetarian diet causing its food to be purified of toxins. In contrast, the swine's one stomach takes only about 4 hours to digest its foul diet, turning its toxic food into flesh.
The swine carries about 30 diseases which can be easily passed to humans. This is why God commanded that we are not even to touch their carcase (Leviticus 11:8).
The trichinae worm of the swine is microscopically small, and once ingested can lodge itself in our intestines, muscles, spinal cord or the brain. This results in the disease trichinosis. The symptoms are sometimes lacking, but when present they are mistaken for other diseases, such as typhoid, arthritis, rheumatism, gastritis, MS, meningitis, gall bladder trouble, or acute alcoholism.
The pig is so poisonous and filthy, that nature had to prepare him a sewer line or canal running down each leg with an outlet in the bottom of the foot. Out of this hole oozes pus and filth his body cannot pass into its system fast enough. Some of this pus gets into the meat of the pig.

There are other reasons grounded in biological facts that could be listed to show why pigs and swine should not be eaten. But a true Christian should only need one reason why not to eat this type of food because God prohibited it.
"And the swine, because it divides the hoof, yet does not chew the cud, it is unclean unto you: you shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase." - Leviticus 11:7,8; Deuteronomy 14:8
Those who say Christ abolished the law condemning pork are motivated by their stomach not Scripture. The problems with pork are biological, and Christ never changed the laws of biology.
 
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Atonement = covering. Not washing away of sins.
They were forgiven when they sacrificed animals.
(Only the blood of Messiah can do that.) If you seriously did not know that….your entire posts would make more sense. I’m finally starting to get you.
Please don’t make false implications. I certainly know that salvation is by the Blood of Jesus.
Both are things that God says not to do in His Word.
How about making false implications?
IF YOU ARE TRYING TO EARN YOUR SALVATION BY KEEPING THE LAW = WORKS OF THE LAW.
You are the preacher of the Law. Not me. I’m under the New Covenant.
David was NOT trying to earn his salvation by keeping the Law therefore it was NOT works of the law, but obedience to the law AS A BELIEVER
So was Paul, So was Daniel, So was John, So was EVERYONE in the Apostolic Scriptures. Believers, saved by grace through faith, OBEYING THE WILL OF THE FATHER.
Paul and John were not under the Law after they met Jesus. David and Daniel were under the Law.
You fail to understand that EVERYONE from ADAM until me and you are SAVED by the blood of Messiah. So your description is 100% wrong.
Please stop with the false implications.
The Law of Moses is not the “Old Covenant (agreement)”. You really should study this stuff out. You are starting to sound…well…like you don’t know exactly what you are talking about? I could be wrong...
No argument there.
not one single true believer is under the law. Happy?
Not now, of course. But they were under the Law before Jesus shed His Blood. And why do you continually preach the Law if you are not under it?

Romans 3:19 (NASB)
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
BUT---Paul KEPT the Law as a believer, Paul KEPT the Law while NOT BEING UNDER THE LAW. That should leave some heads spinning eh?
Too vague.
No…pork is not to be considered food by God’s clear Instructions in Leviticus 11. So no.
The question was, “Do you “advocate abstaining from foods”?” If you are preaching the dietary Laws in the Law of Moses then you are.
 
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Those who say Christ abolished the law condemning pork are motivated by their stomach not Scripture. The problems with pork are biological, and Christ never changed the laws of biology.
What saith the Scripture?

1 Timothy 4:1-4 (NASB)
1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;
 
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What saith the Scripture?

1 Timothy 4:1-4 (NASB)
1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;

1 Timothy 4:1:Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

This is speaking of people departing from the faith - not Pork been OK.
People who eat Pork are departing from the faith,the clue to this is in v 1

What saith the Scripture?

Leviticus 11:7-8:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. 8Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
 
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Leviticus 11:7-8:7And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. 8Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
Which was ONLY for the Nation of Israel.

Mark 7:19 (NASB)
19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
 
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Which was ONLY for the Nation of Israel.

Mark 7:19 (NASB)
19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

Your reading the Bible like 2 separate books.

We have to follow all the law.

1 John 3:4:Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1 John 2:4:He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Mark 7:19: because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said, making all meats clean.

- American Standard Version

Jesus did not say all meat was clean.

This seems to be an assumption,that all meats are clean....

As Peter stated...

Acts 10:14:But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

And even then,Peter did not know what the vision meant,only when he met Cornelius he realized it was between men...

...though most Christians think with their stomach.....and not logic/common sense..
 
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Your reading the Bible like 2 separate books.

We have to follow all the law.
Really?

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 (NASB)
6 "If your brother, your mother's son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods' (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. 9 "But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 "So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the LORD your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
 
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1 Timothy 4,4
Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from "the faith", giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils, Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared, forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth. For EVERY creature of God is good, and NOTHING to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer

1 Cor 10,23
All things are lawful for me, but all things do not edify. Let no man seek his own, but that which is another's. Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, EAT; asking no question for conscience' sake. The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. If any of them that believe not, invite you, and you will be willing to go; eat of any thing that is set before you, asking no question for conscience' sake. But if any man say: This has been sacrificed to idols, do not eat of it for his sake that told it, and for conscience' sake. Conscience, I say, not thy own, but the other's. For why is my liberty judged by another man's conscience ? If I partake with thanksgiving, why am I evil spoken of, for that for which I give thanks ? Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatsoever else you do, do all to the glory of God. Be without offence to the Jews, and to the Gentiles, and to the church of God:

These "commandments" come straight from Christ, period.

Acts 1,1
The former treatise I made, O Theophilus, of all things which Jesus began to do and to teach, Until the day on which, giving commandments by the Holy Ghost TO the apostles whom he had chosen, he was taken up. To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion, by many proofs, for forty days appearing to them, and speaking of the kingdom of God

The commandments giving by Christ to the Apostles who in turn delivered "The Faith" to us are very clear...
...There is NO SUCH THING as food being unclean because it simply comes from a certain animal.
...To suggest otherwise is simply a direct example of the person saying they have departed from the FAITH.

The only reason a Christian would reject "pork" ( or any other food not considered Kosher by Jews )...
...Is if the person serving it made a big to-do about it being blessed by ( over an idol ).
...Thus if eaten in front of this person - they might have their faith in their false god confirmed.
...Short of that if you were invited to eat dinner with someone and they served pork.
...You would be mocking Christ if you rejected it.

 
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1 Timothy 4,4 ...

1 Cor 10,23 ...

These "commandments" come straight from Christ, period.

Acts 1,1...

The commandments giving by Christ to the Apostles who in turn delivered "The Faith" to us are very clear...
...There is NO SUCH THING as food being unclean because it simply comes from a certain animal.
...To suggest otherwise is simply a direct example of the person saying they have departed from the FAITH.

The only reason a Christian would reject "pork" ( or any other food not considered Kosher by Jews )...
...Is if the person serving it made a big to-do about it being blessed by ( over an idol ).
...Thus if eaten in front of this person - they might have their faith in their false god confirmed.
...Short of that if you were invited to eat dinner with someone and they served pork.
...You would be mocking Christ if you rejected it.

"...filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him," Acts 13:9;p

And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? Acts 13:10

And now, behold, the hand of the Lord [is] upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. ... Acts 13:11;p


For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. Matthew 13:15 [Acts 28:27]
 
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"...filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him," Acts 13:9;p

And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? Acts 13:10

And now, behold, the hand of the Lord [is] upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. ... Acts 13:11;p


For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. Matthew 13:15 [Acts 28:27]

Considering that SDA's are required to believe that Christ could have lost His Salvation....
...And had He sinned that "Ultimate God" would have annihilated Christ.
....So that Christ would have eternally ceased to exist - I'm "ok" with us not agreeing here Rev 14,6.
 
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Considering that SDA's are required to believe that Christ could have lost His Salvation....
...And had He sinned that "Ultimate God" would have annihilated Christ.
....So that Christ would have eternally ceased to exist - I'm "ok" with us not agreeing here Rev 14,6.
Wow! Is that accurate?
 
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Really?

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 (NASB)
6 "If your brother, your mother's son, or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods' (whom neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end), 8 you shall not yield to him or listen to him; and your eye shall not pity him, nor shall you spare or conceal him. 9 "But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 "So you shall stone him to death because he has sought to seduce you from the LORD your God who brought you out from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

With Messianic Salvation,Jesus put an end to the wrath/condemning part of the Law.

That was the part of the law that was against Israel.

Colossians 2:!4:Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

As the Law....

Romans 4:15:Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Romans 8:1:There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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With Messianic Salvation,Jesus put an end to the wrath/condemning part of the Law.

That was the part of the law that was against Israel.

Colossians 2:!4:Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

As the Law....

Romans 4:15:Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Romans 8:1:There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Your comment was, "We have to follow all the law."
 
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Your comment was, "We have to follow all the law."

Yeah - but with Messianic Salvation,the wrath/condemnation part which was against us,was nailed to the Cross... ''

Colossians 2:!4:Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Hey,you can follow the wrath/condemnation part,let's Just see if you have luck enforcing it....
 
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Yeah - but with Messianic Salvation,the wrath/condemnation part which was against us,was nailed to the Cross... ''

Colossians 2:!4:Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Hey,you can follow the wrath/condemnation part,let's Just see if you have luck enforcing it....
Yeah, I know how the Law 'buffet' works. We see it here all the time.
 
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