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Uh Ricker, just so you know, and I say that in Christian love, whenever you post on the open forum anyone can respond. Going forward, if it is something meant only for a certain member, send it in a PM. 
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But who are you calling heathens? No, it did not work out for the COI, but why? They had everything they needed to be true and loyal to God. Could it be that from the beginning that they reject the privilege of a personal relationship with God? Moses had the relationship, Joshua had the relationship, but the people were not invested at all in that relationship. They were simply content to do as they were told without knowing any reason why, but not without a great bit a grumbling and complaining. When you have nothing invested in the relationship, it is easy for another to draw away your affections. The COI are given to us as an example of what "not" to do. We have to recognized that they first rejected a relationship with God as He wanted. We do not have to make the same mistake.
Also, because SDA end time prophecy talks of standing our doctrinal ground against pain of torture or death, the mere knowledge of another belief system just can't be enough to sway us. If it is, we have no hope of standing in the end time. Sitting here on the internet or even at this time in real life, spouting what everyone should be doing because it is written in a book is easy.
ECR, from my first post, I gave you biblical text and you questioned the Bible text. in response, however, you gave me EGW writings that you expected me not to question that. It was curious to me. Now, I have no problem with you believing that EGW's writings are equal to biblical text. While I believe her writings extremely valuable, I don't believe them to be equal with the Bible.....at all, and from all accounts neither did she. But you will not be able to give EGW writings as response during the time of trouble. That is not what we are instructed to "hide in our hearts". If we are so shaky in our faith that we cannot find ALL of the answers we need from the Bible, then I quite agree that the sentiment in the quote I posted is very dangerous., and any of your with an issue with the quote should probably not attempt to do as it suggest until you have matured in that area in your faith. You might look at the quote as a goal you might attain in your faith walk with Christ. On the other hand, while I might be weak in some other areas of my walk, this is not one of them. I have relatives and friends of every belief system imaginable, and have yet to even attempt to change what I believe. I have a best friend who is a minister in a non denominational church and have been friends with him since his church was a Bible study group, He not once thought that I would join his church. How, on the contrary when I invited him to my church, he considered joining and miking it his church home, until some most embarrassing unpleasantness on part of some members. You see, he had no problem at all with the Sabbath and other biblical doctrines, as he has taken them to his own church.
Also, because SDA end time prophecy talks of standing our doctrinal ground against pain of torture or death, the mere knowledge of another belief system just can't be enough to sway us. If it is, we have no hope of standing in the end time. Sitting here on the internet or even at this time in real life, spouting what everyone should be doing because it is written in a book is easy.
ECR, from my first post, I gave you biblical text and you questioned the Bible text. in response, however, you gave me EGW writings that you expected me not to question that. It was curious to me. Now, I have no problem with you believing that EGW's writings are equal to biblical text. While I believe her writings extremely valuable, I don't believe them to be equal with the Bible.....at all, and from all accounts neither did she. But you will not be able to give EGW writings as response during the time of trouble. That is not what we are instructed to "hide in our hearts". If we are so shaky in our faith that we cannot find ALL of the answers we need from the Bible, then I quite agree that the sentiment in the quote I posted is very dangerous., and any of your with an issue with the quote should probably not attempt to do as it suggest until you have matured in that area in your faith. You might look at the quote as a goal you might attain in your faith walk with Christ. On the other hand, while I might be weak in some other areas of my walk, this is not one of them. I have relatives and friends of every belief system imaginable, and have yet to even attempt to change what I believe. I have a best friend who is a minister in a non denominational church and have been friends with him since his church was a Bible study group, He not once thought that I would join his church. How, on the contrary when I invited him to my church, he considered joining and miking it his church home, until some most embarrassing unpleasantness on part of some members. You see, he had no problem at all with the Sabbath and other biblical doctrines, as he has taken them to his own church.
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ricker
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Uh Ricker, just so you know, and I say that in Christian love, whenever you post on the open forum anyone can respond. Going forward, if it is something meant only for a certain member, send it in a PM.
Like I said, just so you know.
I thought maybe you thought my post was a response to you, when it was ECR. I was trying to avoid a mix up and I created a bigger one. I'm glad you know that the RC's are reverent, and I don't mind you posting to any of my statements.
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Perhaps you should look a little more closely at the Bible instead of EGW:
1 Chronicles 15:25 So it was David, with the elders of Israel and the captains over thousands, who went to bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD from the house of Obed-edom with joy. 26 Because God was helping the Levites who were carrying the ark of the covenant of the LORD, they sacrificed seven bulls and seven rams. 27 Now David was clothed with a robe of fine linen with all the Levites who were carrying the ark, and the singers and Chenaniah the leader of the singing with the singers. David also wore an ephod of linen. 28 Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the horn, with trumpets, with loud-sounding cymbals, with harps and lyres.
1 Chronicles 16:1 And they brought in the ark of God and placed it inside the tent which David had pitched for it, and they offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before God. 2 When David had finished offering the burnt offering and the peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD. 3 He distributed to everyone of Israel, both man and woman, to everyone a loaf of bread and a portion of meat and a raisin cake.
4 He appointed some of the Levites as ministers before the ark of the LORD, even to celebrate and to thank and praise the LORD God of Israel: 5 Asaph the chief, and second to him Zechariah, then Jeiel, Shemiramoth, Jehiel, Mattithiah, Eliab, Benaiah, Obed-edom and Jeiel, with musical instruments, harps, lyres; also Asaph played loud-sounding cymbals, 6 and Benaiah and Jahaziel the priests blew trumpets continually before the ark of the covenant of God.
7 Then on that day David first assigned Asaph and his relatives to give thanks to the LORD.
16:37 So he left Asaph and his relatives there before the ark of the covenant of the LORD to minister before the ark continually, as every day’s work required; 38 and Obed-edom with his 68 relatives; Obed-edom, also the son of Jeduthun, and Hosah as gatekeepers. 39 He left Zadok the priest and his relatives the priests before the tabernacle of the LORD in the high place which was at Gibeon, 40 to offer burnt offerings to the LORD on the altar of burnt offering continually morning and evening, even according to all that is written in the law of the LORD, which He commanded Israel. 41 With them were Heman and Jeduthun, and the rest who were chosen, who were designated by name, to give thanks to the LORD, because His lovingkindness is everlasting. 42 And with them were Heman and Jeduthun with trumpets and cymbals for those who should sound aloud, and with instruments for the songs of God, and the sons of Jeduthun for the gate.
1 Chronicles 23:3 The Levites were numbered from thirty years old and upward, and their number by census of men was 38,000. 4 Of these, 24,000 were to oversee the work of the house of the LORD; and 6,000 were officers and judges, 5 and 4,000 were gatekeepers, and 4,000 were praising the LORD with the instruments which David made for giving praise. 6 David divided them into divisions according to the sons of Levi: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari.
1 Chronicles 25:1 Moreover, David and the commanders of the army set apart for the service some of the sons of Asaph and of Heman and of Jeduthun, who were to prophesy with lyres, harps and cymbals; and the number of those who performed their service was:
25:6 All these were under the direction of their father to sing in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, harps and lyres, for the service of the house of God. Asaph, Jeduthun and Heman were under the direction of the king. 7 Their number who were trained in singing to the LORD, with their relatives, all who were skillful, was 288.
2 Chronicles 5:11 When the priests came forth from the holy place (for all the priests who were present had sanctified themselves, without regard to divisions), 12 and all the Levitical singers, Asaph, Heman, Jeduthun, and their sons and kinsmen, clothed in fine linen, with cymbals, harps and lyres, standing east of the altar, and with them one hundred and twenty priests blowing trumpets 13 in unison when the trumpeters and the singers were to make themselves heard with one voice to praise and to glorify the LORD, and when they lifted up their voice accompanied by trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and when they praised the LORD saying, “He indeed is good for His lovingkindness is everlasting,” then the house, the house of the LORD, was filled with a cloud, 14 so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of God.
2 Chronicles 29:25 He then stationed the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, with harps and with lyres, according to the command of David and of Gad the king’s seer, and of Nathan the prophet; for the command was from the LORD through His prophets. 26 The Levites stood with the musical instruments of David, and the priests with the trumpets. 27 Then Hezekiah gave the order to offer the burnt offering on the altar. When the burnt offering began, the song to the LORD also began with the trumpets, accompanied by the instruments of David, king of Israel. 28 While the whole assembly worshiped, the singers also sang and the trumpets sounded; all this continued until the burnt offering was finished.
29 Now at the completion of the burnt offerings, the king and all who were present with him bowed down and worshiped. 30 Moreover, King Hezekiah and the officials ordered the Levites to sing praises to the LORD with the words of David and Asaph the seer. So they sang praises with joy, and bowed down and worshiped.
1 Chronicles 16:1 And they brought in the ark of God and placed it inside the tent which David had pitched for it, and they offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before God. 2 When David had finished offering the burnt offering and the peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the LORD. 3 He distributed to everyone of Israel, both man and woman, to everyone a loaf of bread and a portion of meat and a raisin cake.
4 He appointed some of the Levites as ministers before the ark of the LORD, even to celebrate and to thank and praise the LORD God of Israel: 5 Asaph the chief, and second to him Zechariah, then Jeiel, Shemiramoth, Jehiel, Mattithiah, Eliab, Benaiah, Obed-edom and Jeiel, with musical instruments, harps, lyres; also Asaph played loud-sounding cymbals, 6 and Benaiah and Jahaziel the priests blew trumpets continually before the ark of the covenant of God.
7 Then on that day David first assigned Asaph and his relatives to give thanks to the LORD.
16:37 So he left Asaph and his relatives there before the ark of the covenant of the LORD to minister before the ark continually, as every day’s work required; 38 and Obed-edom with his 68 relatives; Obed-edom, also the son of Jeduthun, and Hosah as gatekeepers. 39 He left Zadok the priest and his relatives the priests before the tabernacle of the LORD in the high place which was at Gibeon, 40 to offer burnt offerings to the LORD on the altar of burnt offering continually morning and evening, even according to all that is written in the law of the LORD, which He commanded Israel. 41 With them were Heman and Jeduthun, and the rest who were chosen, who were designated by name, to give thanks to the LORD, because His lovingkindness is everlasting. 42 And with them were Heman and Jeduthun with trumpets and cymbals for those who should sound aloud, and with instruments for the songs of God, and the sons of Jeduthun for the gate.
1 Chronicles 23:3 The Levites were numbered from thirty years old and upward, and their number by census of men was 38,000. 4 Of these, 24,000 were to oversee the work of the house of the LORD; and 6,000 were officers and judges, 5 and 4,000 were gatekeepers, and 4,000 were praising the LORD with the instruments which David made for giving praise. 6 David divided them into divisions according to the sons of Levi: Gershon, Kohath, and Merari.
1 Chronicles 25:1 Moreover, David and the commanders of the army set apart for the service some of the sons of Asaph and of Heman and of Jeduthun, who were to prophesy with lyres, harps and cymbals; and the number of those who performed their service was:
25:6 All these were under the direction of their father to sing in the house of the LORD, with cymbals, harps and lyres, for the service of the house of God. Asaph, Jeduthun and Heman were under the direction of the king. 7 Their number who were trained in singing to the LORD, with their relatives, all who were skillful, was 288.
2 Chronicles 5:11 When the priests came forth from the holy place (for all the priests who were present had sanctified themselves, without regard to divisions), 12 and all the Levitical singers, Asaph, Heman, Jeduthun, and their sons and kinsmen, clothed in fine linen, with cymbals, harps and lyres, standing east of the altar, and with them one hundred and twenty priests blowing trumpets 13 in unison when the trumpeters and the singers were to make themselves heard with one voice to praise and to glorify the LORD, and when they lifted up their voice accompanied by trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and when they praised the LORD saying, “He indeed is good for His lovingkindness is everlasting,” then the house, the house of the LORD, was filled with a cloud, 14 so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of God.
2 Chronicles 29:25 He then stationed the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, with harps and with lyres, according to the command of David and of Gad the king’s seer, and of Nathan the prophet; for the command was from the LORD through His prophets. 26 The Levites stood with the musical instruments of David, and the priests with the trumpets. 27 Then Hezekiah gave the order to offer the burnt offering on the altar. When the burnt offering began, the song to the LORD also began with the trumpets, accompanied by the instruments of David, king of Israel. 28 While the whole assembly worshiped, the singers also sang and the trumpets sounded; all this continued until the burnt offering was finished.
29 Now at the completion of the burnt offerings, the king and all who were present with him bowed down and worshiped. 30 Moreover, King Hezekiah and the officials ordered the Levites to sing praises to the LORD with the words of David and Asaph the seer. So they sang praises with joy, and bowed down and worshiped.
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Sophia, "Like" They did miss the part where I said Psalms 150 was the easy answer............
They did miss the part where I said Psalms 150 was the easy answer............
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I would question your statement about drums in the Catholic Church. Any Catholic Services that I have seen on T.V. dont use drums, in fact they have very little in the line of music.
Drums, at least in our area, came into the church with the Salvation Army, and also the attempt of the Evangelical dominations to attract the "Rock & Roll" crowd of the '60's.
The Salvation Army used them in their street meetings originally, now they have moved in side so as not to offend somebody on the street. The Evangelicals have brought the drums into the church where they have become more entertainment than either worship or teaching of the gospel of Christ.
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