Masturbation

I firmly believe that if you are not married... then yes it is a sin.

Jesus Christ set quite a high standard for sexual immorality.

He said that even if a man looks at a women lustfully, he has committed adultery with her in his heart.

Jesus normally judges actions by motivation and effect, and tries to avoid legalism. So ask yourself what the issue is with premarital intercourse. It's not what part of the body goes in what other part. I'm only guessing here, because Jesus doesn't actually deal very much with sexual issues, but if you look at motivation and consequences, I'd think the question would be a certain level of intimacy. My sense if that mutual masturbation doesn't differ significantly in the level of physical intimacy from other forms of sex, and thus should be treated the same way.

hedrick said:

Jesus normally judges actions by motivation and effect, and tries to avoid legalism. So ask yourself what the issue is with premarital intercourse. It's not what part of the body goes in what other part. I'm only guessing here, because Jesus doesn't actually deal very much with sexual issues, but if you look at motivation and consequences, I'd think the question would be a certain level of intimacy. My sense is that mutual masturbation doesn't differ significantly in the level of physical intimacy from other forms of sex, and thus should be treated the same way.

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Good post.

wallaby1 said:

So im guessing from the post its considered as a sin?

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You picked up on the fact that I didn't explicitly say that. I don't claim any special enlightenment on pre-marital intercourse, and if I did, CF rules wouldn't let me say so.

But if you consider premarital intercourse wrong, and most Christians do, then any sexual act with the same kind of intimacy as traditional intercourse should be included. It's your judgement, but I'd include mutual masturbation, oral and anal sex.

Otherwise we get into the same kinds of word games that Jesus opposed when the Pharisees did it.

Note that I am not speaking of the more normal individual masturbation, because it wouldn't normally involve the same kind of intimacy with another person. (Of course that depends upon what you're thinking.)

I am strictly against mutual masturbation, it's not right in any way, shape, or form.

I definitely don't see how mutual masturbation is right. Things like that are reserved for marriage. It's important to understand that sexual activity is not a must do in order to have happiness. This is a misconception among young people especially. You don't need to touch or engage in lustful thoughts to have a good life or a good relationship. Once you realize that sexual things are not a requirement in life it's easier to step away from it. Sexual acts is allowed in a marriage to strengthen it. By going around being sexual with all sorts of people even if it's not intercourse is still dangerous as you are still believe it or not running a risk of getting a girl pregnant even if it's not proper sex and any sexual activity has a potential to create a bond with someone on a higher level and this is something that should be created between husband and wife, not girlfriend or boyfriend. This is just merely my opinion. What you do with it lies in your hands but I am almost certain that God's intentions according to the Bible is that you don't engage in anything sexual before marriage. It's not that difficult to follow and a little obedience and will power is all that is required. Remember, it's for your own good and for your future marriage.

Well it's bending the rule. The level of intimacy is about the same then actually having intercourse... And when you've done the mutual masturbation thing it's VERY easy to say that you've already done nearly all so you can just as well have sex. Trust me, I've been there and I think I'm not the only one among my friends.

Also a pastor once said the following: "Well if you're naked on the bed then it's kinda hard not to lust". It not only means - in my opinion - that it makes sense to have clothes on when you see each other. The other big point is that if you're in a situation where you feel that you have a hard time being with a girlfriend without lusting so bad you can't control it, it's wise to make sure you have something to do whenever you meet. Like go do something in public on your dates or make a point out of reading the Bible or something if you're at home. The most dangerous thing is just goung over without anything more in mind then just hanging out.

Well, not having sex before marriage is all good and I don't go against that rule. It's very clear in the Bible that a sexual relationship is reserved to be for one man and one woman for life and having sex actually meant that you were already committed to them. However I think some christians make a too big magic rule out of it, like as if you weren't christian if you erred on that, or that your marriage can't ever work if you had sex before the "pastor's amen" on your marriage. It's not that way, it's just sin, like any other, and it might cause you extra grief but it might not.

EndlessSerenade said:

What you do with it lies in your hands...

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LOL!

I'm sorry, but given the title of this thread, that was accidentally funny...