While science considers a clear frame of reference for its questions and answers its forte, the occupation of philosophy is quite contrary: It permanently questions any proposed frame of reference.
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Relativity of Wrong - Asimov
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Philosopher: Is murder wrong?
Scientist: Is it a murder?
Peasant (the majority): Murder is wrong.
Mystery: Why do all we know a few truth without knowing any science and philosophy?
Philosopher: What is truth?
Scientist: ...
Peasant: Murder is wrong.
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Concerning the "mystery" here: We all know that "murder is wrong" without knowing science or philosophy because we know semantics: "Murder" is defined as "wrongful killing". Consequently, we do not disagree that "murder is wrong" (because that´s just a tautology), but we - no matter whether we are scientists, philosophers or peasants - often disagree what constitutes a certain killing as "murder" .
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You could argue that. You could say science is, itself, a philosophy and so by coming up with science philosophy has moved forward because science does a better job of describing the world than the ideas that preceded it.
...but that's given that describing the world accurately is the goal (or at least a goal) of philosophy as a whole.
I'm not sure that can be taken for granted.
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It looks like there's a difficulty in measuring "progress" in philosophy. One stock criticism is that philosophy never makes any progress, it just comes up with new questions or new ways of framing the same old questions. I think that criticism comes from comparing philosophy to the natural sciences. But to make such a comparison misses the point of philosophy. Sellars, for example, argues that philosophy's goal is to view the whole countryside. This involves more than just getting answers to specific naturalistic questions.
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Peasant couldn't care less about definition. That is why the peasant sees the truth, but others are confused.
More thinking, more research, more exploration, more time, do not always make the truth more clear.
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Philosophy is an affinity, an appetite.
Philosophy is a sequence of questions not a sequence of answers.
It is, quite literally, a brotherly love of wisdom.
To put it another way, philosophy is a brotherly love for understanding what to do with what one knows.
Philosophy is a sequence of questions not a sequence of answers.
It is, quite literally, a brotherly love of wisdom.
To put it another way, philosophy is a brotherly love for understanding what to do with what one knows.
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As I pointed out, peasants disagree on what´s the truth.
And neither scientists nor philosophers say that "murder is right".
Ignoring the argument doesn´t make it go away.
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Human knows some truth without any education. It is important to know what they are, so philosophers won't have to waste a lot more time on it.
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
Show a single human who knows what "murder" is without any human contact and education.
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Well a child must at least know through experience and memory otherwise there would be no foundation for tutoring it.
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For example: murder (planned kill) is wrong. If you debate about it, then you are a philosopher and the debate would never end, but would also go nowhere. That is what I mean: waste of time.
If you collect all versions of so-called "moral code", then the intersection of them is what I said. They make the core value system of human and need no further study.
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What you said is a normal case.
A child raised up by chimps, or raised in isolation, WILL develop the same set of basic moral code as other humans.
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Do you have any exidence from "ferral children" studies (etc) to strengthen that claim?
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I believe this type of experiment has been done many times in recent history.
Is it moral to conduct this type of experiment? I think >95% of human would say NO. And this is another example of common moral code, which needs no philosophical study.
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No. I do not study that. But I like to learn more about it.
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