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GreenEyedLady

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Hey....I was wondering if anyone could post some suporting scripture on infant baptism. I know I have seen some but Ihave lost it and my friend was asking about it.
I don't have the time to have a big old debate about it....Just need some scripture supoorting it so I can halp my friend see how Catholics support the doctrien.
Thanks so much
A very tired GEL:sleep:
 

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I've not looked at these, but I'm trying to hurry for you, sister, so you can get to bed. :D They come from www.scripturecatholic.com <BR><BR>God Bless! <BR><BR>Neal <BR><BR>
<A name=baptism-III>III</A>. Infant Baptism
<P>Gen. 17:12, Lev. 12:3 - these texts show the circumcision of eight-day old babies as the way of entering into the Old Covenant - Col 2:11-12 - however, baptism is the new "circumcision" for all people of the New Covenant. Therefore, baptism is for babies as well as adults. God did not make His new Covenant narrower than the old Covenant. To the contrary, He made it wider, for both Jews and Gentiles, infants and adults. </P>
<P>Job 14:1-4 - man that is born of woman is full of trouble and unclean. Baptism is required for all human beings because of our sinful human nature. </P>
<P>Psalm 51:5 - we are conceived in the iniquity of sin. This shows the necessity of baptism from conception.</P>
<P>Matt. 18:2-5 - Jesus says unless we become like children, we cannot enter into heaven. So why would children be excluded from baptism?</P>
<P>Matt 19:14 - Jesus clearly says the kingdom of heaven also belongs to children. There is no age limit on entering the kingdom, and no age limit for being eligible for baptism.</P>
<P>Mark 10:14 - Jesus says to let the children come to Him for the kingdom of God also belongs to them. Jesus says nothing about being too young to come into the kingdom of God.</P>
<P>Mark 16:16 - Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned." This demonstrates that one can be baptized and still not be a believer. This disproves the Protestant argument that one must be a believer to be baptized. There is nothing in the Bible about a "believer's baptism." </P>
<P>Luke 18:15 - the people brought infants to Jesus that he might touch them. This proves that the receipt of grace is not dependent upon the age of reason.</P>
<P>Acts 2:38 - Peter says to the multitude, "Repent and be baptized.." Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, "If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized." This is confirmed in the next verse. </P>
<P>Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. God's covenant family includes children. The word "children" that Peter used comes from the Greek word "teknon" which also includes infants. </P>
<P>Luke 1:59 - this proves that "teknon" includes infants. Here, John as a "teknon" (infant) was circumcised. See also Acts 21:21. So baptism is for infants as well as adults. </P>
<P>Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults. </P>
<P>Acts 16:15 - Paul baptized Lydia and her entire household. The word "household" comes from the Greek word "oikos" which is a household that includes infants and children. </P>
<P>Acts 16:15 - further, Paul baptizes the household based on Lydia's faith, not the faith of the members of the household. This demonstrates that parents can present their children for baptism based on the parents' faith, not the children's faith.</P>
<P>Acts 16:30-33 - it was only the adults who were candidates for baptism that had to profess a belief in Jesus. This is consistent with the Church's practice of instructing catechumens before baptism. But this verse does not support a "believer's baptism" requirement for everyone. See Acts 16:15,33.</P>
<P>Acts 16:33 - Paul baptized the jailer (an adult) and his entire household (which had to include children). Baptism is never limited to adults and those of the age of reason.</P>
<P>Rom. 5:12 - sin came through Adam and death through sin. Babies' souls are affected by Adam's sin and need baptism just like adult souls. </P>
<P>Rom. 5:15 - the grace of Jesus Christ surpasses that of the Old Covenant. So children can also enter the new Covenant in baptism. From a Jewish perspective, it would have been unthinkable to exclude infants and children from God's Covenant kingdom.</P>
<P>1 Cor. 1:16 - Paul baptized the household ("oikos") of Stephanus. Baptism is not limited to adults. </P>
<P>Eph. 1:1; Col. 1:2 - Paul addresses the "saints" of the Church, and these include the children he addresses in Eph. 6:1 and Col. 3:20. Children become saints of the Church only through baptism.</P>
<P>Eph. 2:3- we are all by nature children of wrath, in sin, like all mankind. Infants are no exception.</P>
<P>2 Thess. 3:10 - if anyone does not work let him not eat. But this implies that those who are unable to work should still be able to eat. Babies should not starve because they are unable to work, and should also not be denied baptism because they are unable to make a declaration of faith.</P>
<P>Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:3-5 - the faith of those who brought in the paralytic cured the paralytic's sins. This is an example of the forgiveness of sins based on another's faith, just like infant baptism. The infant child is forgiven of sin based on the parents' faith.</P>
<P>Matt. 8:5-13; Luke 6-10 - the servant is healed based upon the centurion's faith. This is another example of healing based on another's faith. </P>
<P>Mark 9:22-25 - Jesus exercises the child's unclean spirit based on the father's faith. This healing is again based on another's faith.</P>
<P>Exodus 12:24-28 - the Passover was based on the parent's faith. If they did not kill and eat the lamb, their first-born child died.</P>
<P>Joshua 5:2-7 - God punished Israel because the people had not circumcised their children. This was based on the parent's faith. The parents play a critical role in their child's salvation.
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Catholics aren't the only ones who practice infant baptism...Anglicans, Orthodox, Lutherans, Methodists, and Presbyterians do too.&nbsp;

In the Old Testament, children were included in God's covenant. When a boy was eight days old, he was circumcised.

<B>Genesis 17:9-14</B> <B>9 And God said to Abraham, "As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. </B><B>10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your descendants after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. </B><B>12He that is eight days old among you shall be circumcised; every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house, or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring, </B><B>13 both he that is born in your house and he that is bought with your money, shall be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. </B><B>14 Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant." </B>

The last verse strikes me. Any male who isn't circumcised has broken God's covenant. How can a baby be responsible for this? Leads me to believe it is the parents' responsibility to ensure this happens. The next verse I look at is this:

<B>Colossians 2:11-14</B> <B>11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of flesh in the circumcision of Christ; </B><B>12 and you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. </B><B>13 And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses</B>

That verse seems to me that Paul is saying baptism replaces circumcision. And one was circumcised at a very young age. And then I look at:

<B>Matthew 18:2-5: </B><B>2 And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them, 3 and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever humbles himself like this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 "Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me. </B>

The last verse sways me. Whoever receives one child in my name receives me. While the Bible doesn't specifically say to baptize infants, it doesn't say not to either. The final verse that leads me to believe the baptism of infants is acceptable is this:

<B>Acts 16:15</B>
<B>"She was baptized, with her household"</B>

If one is against infant baptism, then they would have to argue that "household" does not include children.

So what did the Early Church do (before it was "paganized" by the Emperor Constantine)?

<I>"And they shall baptise the little children first. And if they can answer for themselves, let them answer. But if they cannot, let their parents answer or someone from their family."</I> <I>Hippolytus of Rome, Apostolic Tradition,21(c. A.D. 215), in AT,33</I> <B>AD 215</B>

<I>"For this reason, moreover, the Church received from the apostles the tradition of baptizing infants too."</I> <I>Origen, Homily on Romans, V:9(A.D. 244),in JER,65</I> <B>AD 244</B>

<I>"But in respect of the case of the infants, which you say ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, and that the law of ancient circumcision should be regarded, so that you think one who is just born should not be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day...And therefore, dearest brother, this was our opinion in council, that by us no one ought to be hindered from baptism...we think is to be even more observed in respect of infants and newly-born persons.."</I> <I>Cyprian,To Fidus, Epistle 58(64):2,6(A.D. 251),in ANF,5:353-354</I> <B>AD 251</B>
 
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Whatever really,

Its just a cat of spiritual clensing.
Baptism is not neded it just helps,I think.
If you wan't the child to be old enought to understand(mabye 12 yrs old) thats fine,as there is a advantage in that.

Though as a Catholic I go by household(infant)baptism .
Thats how I was baptized.

Also,I think its better if there reared in a private school and attened church often so they won't have to require the baptism too much.

God Bless,

Hector
 
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Infant baptism, IMO, is largely ceremonial and ritualistic.&nbsp; The child must later choose to accept Jesus as his/her savior.

John 3:3-- "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

Clearly, an infant does not know about Jesus, about repentance, nor about baptism.

Acts 2:38 says:&nbsp; "Then Peter said unto them,&nbsp; Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and &nbsp;ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

How can an infant repent and accept Jesus Christ as his/her savior?&nbsp; They must reach the age of accountability first.

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Yea but what does it matter to those who don't think baptism is necessary? It becomes moot, IMO. If you don't believe baptism is necessary, why care about whether the vast majority of Christendom baptizes infants or not?
 
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Originally posted by isshinwhat
GEL came in here to ask a question, not to debate. If you want to discuss the validity of this issue, take it to the Protestant, Catholics, and Jews forum. This is not the place for a debate.

Neal

Apologies.&nbsp; I will refrain from further posting.
 
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