The Worship of Chaos and invocation of Cthonic Spirits

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I never really gave it much thought. It just sounded angry, heavy, and great in terms of musicianship.

Just reanalyzing the perspective in the song lyrics, there's some very deep philosophical points in it that I think Christians need to be aware of that expand far beyond the black metal sub-genre of music. The band is more sophisticated than 80's death and thrash metal, which used satanism mostly for shock value. I think they actually took the teleological themes in the music very seriously.

Christianity is a religion of love and life, where some people see life as a curse and death, destruction, and emptiness, as the ultimate reality, the final conclusion of entropy. This not only applies to Luciferians, but atheists, nihilists, pagans, and even Buddhists

Christianity is the idea that a living, intelligent God has a hand in creation. The more logical view for me would be that entropy is the ultimate reality, just looking at things rationally and strictly through the left brain. Intuitively, I think there is an over-arching presence of love. I just need to find a way of proving this latter view to myself with more certainty. A nihilst will say that I just believe in a God of love, because its a comforting, quaint notion. They might be right, but I want more proof to myself that wouldn't question me so much. The Bible says that if you seek ye shall find. I just don't believe that murdering a child is ultimately as valid of an act as feeding a child. Intuitively I know murdering a child is wrong, but following strict logic would lead someone to believe otherwise. They just say I have chemicals in my head that makes me act more moral than a sociopath who doesn't have those same chemicals. I want to know that my God of love is an absolute for certain though, that it isn't just subject to moral relativism.

If moral relativism is the valid position, then death and destruction is the moral absolute. I refuse to believe this though. I've encountered synchronicity that I believe originates from an omni-present being of love. Some would deride it as coincidence though, and they might be right.

I don't even know if a lot of people are Christian for the same reasons I am either. Its not that I'm just following this because I was told from a young age to do it or for social reasons as an atheist would accuse me of. There's a real core, fundamental aspect of human morality and ultimate justice that I'm trying to come to terms with.

You may think its trivial or stupid, but its really something that's crucial to the state of my soul and faith.

Dissection - Starless Aeon

"The seventh aeon will soon pass as it has been foretold
The false empires will crumble and all illusions shall be destroyed
The enslavers tremble with fear, soon our stars align
The forbidden gates begin to open by the power of our forceful sign

Daath - wisdom of the abyss is the key to the broken star
Eleven angles pathways of chaos will bring forth our most wrathful god
Qliphothic forces from beyond will usurp the tree of cosmic lies
The sleeping dragon awakens smelling the elixir of our sacrifice

Dies Irae Dies Illa Solvet Cosmos In Favilla
Vocamus Te Aeshma-Diva
Dies Irae Dies Illa Solvet Cosmos In Favilla
Vocamus Te Aeshma-Diva

This is the winter of the last aeon, the hungry end is coming soon
Harbinger of the day of wrath will eclipse the sun and rape the moon

Unfold the starless aeon, the hungry end is coming soon
Harbinger of the day of wrath will eclipse the sun and rape the moon

The snake will completely devour itself putting an end to the cycle of time
Acausal flames will burn all to ashes erasing all signs of the demiurge crime
Our dark gods of chaos will return, this time to rule forever supreme
The dragon mother will then resurrect and end this cosmic dream

Dies Irae Dies Illa Solvet Cosmos In Favilla
Vocamus Te Aeshma-Diva
Dies Irae Dies Illa Solvet Cosmos In Favilla
Vocamus Te Aeshma-Diva"

It sounds like mumbo jumbo, but their argument is that death is the anti-theis of life and the ultimate reality that will win over life. This is essentially a view that atheists, pagans, Satanists, and nihilists all hold in common and what sets Christianity apart from them.
So why would you a Christian consider the counsel of the wicked (non Christian)? Do you have a need to explain God Who isn't logical to the understanding of mankind.

33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Rom 11

Faith is belief and not understanding. Faith is required and understanding isn't for salvation.
 
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The huge dilemma over mortal absolutes is that they are defined by flawed humanity and from observation anything that humanity has a hand in is flawed and far from absolute.
Good point. The question of our own ability to discern an objective moral code even if one did exist in theory is pretty important. Even if God revealed a book that set forth this code using the less than perfect medium of human language there would still be the issue of our own powers of understanding and exegesis. All communications contain noise.
 
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If anything this thread perhaps best belongs in appolgetics and I am more than happy to communicate with forum staff as to why.

The huge problem lies in the sheer mess of the 'liber this group cobbled together. Its a mishmash of gnostic with hunks of other stuff and a lot of warped ideas about God seen through the prism of a persons descent into madness.

Of course I am opnionated - these days I fall into the category of grumpy old woman and I can have opnions although I tend not to dye my hair purple. ;) I am also unashamedly a Brit and yes our habit of throwing ideas back can seem odd to those not used to it. Just put it down to a bad alumini habit I picked up in the debating halls of the Russel Group and never quite got out of. Forums do not allow for the same free flow of conversation as face to face does and certainly more than 90% of the way humans communicate with each other is not possible in this format.

There is such a dirth of good reasonned defences of the gospel to those on various magickal paths very few will pause to consider if Christ might be worth looking at. Perhaps if they did those who were riding madness would be picked up and medical help offered backed with sane chaplaincy care and perhaps the church itself would be better protected from those who walk in claiming to have been a Chief Lord High Poobah to fleece His sheep!
 
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Of course I am opnionated - these days I fall into the category of grumpy old woman and I can have opnions although I tend not to dye my hair purple. ;) I am also unashamedly a Brit and yes our habit of throwing ideas back can seem odd to those not used to it. Just put it down to a bad alumini habit I picked up in the debating halls of the Russel Group and never quite got out of. Forums do not allow for the same free flow of conversation as face to face does and certainly more than 90% of the way humans communicate with each other is not possible in this format.

lol, I read ya. It does lack a lot of inflection that face to face conversing would have. Yah, I actually know someone personally with depression who claims to worship Baal and chaos and is all into Mesopotamian folklore. I think it has to do with the futile feeling of being an agent, consumed wholly by the forces of nature, with a sense that in the grand scheme there's no will to exercise or if there is, its too insignificant to matter. So the result for them is embracing destruction and death as an inevitability. There's a kind of spiritual death or nihilism behind it. Jesus, as a human agent, was so filled with the spirit of God's eternal love, and such a strong, human reflection of Him, that not even the worldly threat of execution by society hindered His unconditional love for the Father and creation. Christ's will of love is the strongest counter to that type of nihilism and futility.
 
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Concur- Romans 8: 38-39.

Thankfully there are some good christians who are not distracted by the usual redflags and who can listen to those who suffer so much their symptoms of distress are displayed in tawdry hollywood trappings of populist assumptions of what many presumme.

When Christians cease to listen to others then they should not offer pastoral care forwhen someone fails to hear others it indicates obedinece is shoddy and they are unlikely to hear God and their actions and reactions to others are unlikely to be motivated by compassion that comes form God spirit but from the condemnation that comes from the accusar of the brethren.
 
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