scriptures that tell of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist & CHURCH

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There are far more than i ever thought

One is Ps 27:1-

which speaks of dwelling in the House of the Lord

One thing i ask of the lord, this i seek: To dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, that i may gaze on the loveliness of the Lord and contemplate his temple.


Then there is Zepheniah 3

and many others but my time is up 4 today... :)
 

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In the OT, when God wanted to appear to someone, he did so at a temple that ws built by one of his holy people (Abraham, Jacob, etc)

in one story Solomon went to the trouble of going to Gibeon to speak to God. There, God appeared to him (without him expecting that to happen, it would seem)

In many parts of the Word it speaks of the Lord dwelling with his people...

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Why would God dwell amongst us in one age, and bless the poeple of that age... but not another age??

God is no respector of persons...
 
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In the OT, when God wanted to appear to someone, he did so at a temple that ws built by one of his holy people (Abraham, Jacob, etc)

in one story Solomon went to the trouble of going to Gibeon to speak to God. There, God appeared to him (without him expecting that to happen, it would seem)

In many parts of the Word it speaks of the Lord dwelling with his people...

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

Why would God dwell amongst us in one age, and bless the poeple of that age... but not another age??

God is no respector of persons...

David wanted to build a Temple, but it came to fruition via Solomon.

As for the other tent Temples... they were mobile along with the Ark.
And they were set up for Levites to use wherever they rested the Ark and usually the Ark was carried to battle grounds, but Levites did not fight, they were the priests or a line that could be priests. For not all Levites were priests.

The Lord shall always dwell with His ppl so long as they hold to His Covenant and the New Covenant [His promise] is the Eucharist.
And if we look at the Ark, and how they carried the Ark with reverence - it contained the staff of Aaron [priesthood], the manna [bread from Heaven] and the Decalogue [the word] - all three the prophetic of Christ - Jesus.

Such reverence shown to symbols - are but pale to the real Eucharist - so all the more we ought to revere Him in the Flesh of the Eucharist.
 
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Hello truthHurts! :wave: Would you like someone to post all/most of the verses about or referring to the Eucharist for you? I have a program on my computer where I can easily do that.


yes, that would be awesome...

Exodus and Levitius is so full of stuff on God dwelling with us that i can't begin to print all of it..

was going 2 print SOME of it last night and then post it here... but... didnt work out...

Have you ever read the OT in the Douay Rheims version???

it is SO awesome... and i believe the wording is much better than other Bibles... much more Catholic sounding..

(protestants wont want to hear that... but Catholic just means Universal... IT's a good thing... :) - as we Catholics know so well)
 
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David wanted to build a Temple, but it came to fruition via Solomon.

As for the other tent Temples... they were mobile along with the Ark.
And they were set up for Levites to use wherever they rested the Ark and usually the Ark was carried to battle grounds, but Levites did not fight, they were the priests or a line that could be priests. For not all Levites were priests.

The Lord shall always dwell with His ppl so long as they hold to His Covenant and the New Covenant [His promise] is the Eucharist.
And if we look at the Ark, and how they carried the Ark with reverence - it contained the staff of Aaron [priesthood], the manna [bread from Heaven] and the Decalogue [the word] - all three the prophetic of Christ - Jesus.

Such reverence shown to symbols - are but pale to the real Eucharist - so all the more we ought to revere Him in the Flesh of the Eucharist.


i know all of this.. have read the Bible and heard it read @ Holy Mass for many yrs now... but thanks anyway bcus other posters can't necessarily say that

i do have a problem with your last sentence though..

i belive that... well, the Presence of God is the presence of God..

not sure there is a substantial difference between the Presence Moses felt (and communicated with) and the tangible PResence of Christ in the RCc???? hmmmmm:confused:
 
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yes, that would be awesome...

Exodus and Levitius is so full of stuff on God dwelling with us that i can't begin to print all of it..

was going 2 print SOME of it last night and then post it here... but... didnt work out...

Have you ever read the OT in the Douay Rheims version???

it is SO awesome... and i believe the wording is much better than other Bibles... much more Catholic sounding..

(protestants wont want to hear that... but Catholic just means Universal... IT's a good thing... :) - as we Catholics know so well)

Okay, I'll upload a document with all of the verses listed in my next post. :)
 
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Have you ever read the OT in the Douay Rheims version???

it is SO awesome... and i believe the wording is much better than other Bibles... much more Catholic sounding..

(protestants wont want to hear that... but Catholic just means Universal... IT's a good thing... :) - as we Catholics know so well)

For those who want to read the Douay-Rheims check out drbo.org. Baronius Press also has a fantastic edition in print.
 
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i know all of this.. have read the Bible and heard it read @ Holy Mass for many yrs now... but thanks anyway bcus other posters can't necessarily say that

i do have a problem with your last sentence though..

i belive that... well, the Presence of God is the presence of God..

not sure there is a substantial difference between the Presence Moses felt (and communicated with) and the tangible PResence of Christ in the RCc???? hmmmmm:confused:

The Ark and the Items inside were all foreshadows of the Real Presence of the Messiah [and Our Lady = Ark]
If God demanded such High regard for those items that were not Him in the Flesh, then how much more should we regard Him in the Flesh?

Thats what i am saying. They were all symbolic of Him - since we all know they were not Him.
 
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Bible Passages About the Eucharist

1 Corinthians 11:20-29 DRB (20) When you come therefore together into one place, it is not now to eat the Lord's supper. (21) For every one taketh before his own supper to eat. And one indeed is hungry and another is drunk. (22) What, have you no houses to eat and to drink in? Or despise ye the church of God and put them to shame that have not? What shall I say to you? Do I praise you? In this I praise you not. (23) For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread, (24) And giving thanks, broke and said: Take ye and eat: This is my body, which shall be delivered for you. This do for the commemoration of me. (25) In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood. This do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me. (26) For as often as you shall eat this bread and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. (27) Therefore, whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. (28) But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the chalice. (29) For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.

Acts 2:42 DRB And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles and in the communication of the breaking of bread and in prayers.

John 6:27-69 DRB Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that which endureth unto life everlasting, which the Son of man will give you. For him hath God, the Father, sealed. (28) They said therefore unto him: What shall we do, that we may work the works of God? (29) Jesus answered and said to them: This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he hath sent. (30) They said therefore to him: What sign therefore dost thou shew that we may see and may believe thee? What dost thou work? (31) Our fathers did eat manna in the desert, as it is written: He gave them bread from heaven to eat. (32) Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you; Moses gave you not bread from heaven, but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. (33) For the bread of God is that which cometh down from heaven and giveth life to the world. (34) They said therefore unto him: Lord, give us always this bread. (35) And Jesus said to them: I am the bread of life. He that cometh to me shall not hunger: and he that believeth in me shall never thirst. (36) But I said unto you that you also have seen me, and you believe not. (37) All that the Father giveth to me shall come to me: and him that cometh to me, I will not cast out. (38) Because I came down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him that sent me. (39) Now this is the will of the Father who sent me: that of all that he hath given me, I should lose nothing; but should raise it up again in the last day. (40) And this is the will of my Father that sent me: that every one who seeth the Son and believeth in him may have life everlasting. And I will raise him up in the last day. (41) The Jews therefore murmured at him, because he had said: I am the living bread which came down from heaven. (42) And they said: Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How then saith he: I came down from heaven? (43) Jesus therefore answered and said to them: Murmur not among yourselves. (44) No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him. And I will raise him up in the last day. (45) It is written in the prophets: And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard of the Father and hath learned cometh forth me. (46) Not that any man hath seen the Father: but he who is of God, he hath seen the Father. (47) Amen, amen, I say unto you: He that believeth in me hath everlasting life. (48) I am the bread of life. (49) Your fathers did eat manna in the desert: and are dead. (50) This is the bread which cometh down from heaven: that if any man eat of it, he may not die. (51) I am the living bread which came down from heaven. (6:52) If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world. (52) (6:53) The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? (53) (6:54) Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. (54) (6:55) He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. (55) (6:56) For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. (56) (6:57) He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me: and I in him. (57) (6:58) As the living Father hath sent me and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. (58) (6:59) This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna and are dead. He that eateth this bread shall live for ever. (59) (6:60) These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum. (60) (6:61) Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard; and who can hear it? (61) (6:62) But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you? (62) (6:63) If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? (63) (6:64) It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. (64) (6:65) But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that did not believe and who he was that would betray him. (65) (6:66) And he said: Therefore did I say to you that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father. (66) (6:67) After this, many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him. (67) (6:68) Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away? (68) (6:69) And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life. (69) (6:70) And we have believed and have known that thou art the Christ, the Son of God.

Matthew 26:17-30 DRB And on the first day of the Azymes, the disciples came to Jesus, saying: Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the pasch? (18) But Jesus said: Go ye into the city to a certain man and say to him: The master saith, My time is near at hand. With thee I make the pasch with my disciples. (19) And the disciples did as Jesus appointed to them: and they prepared the pasch. (20) But when it was evening, he sat down with his twelve disciples. (21) And whilst they were eating, he said: Amen I say to you that one of you is about to betray me. (22) And they being very much troubled began every one to say: Is it I, Lord? (23) But he answering said: He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, he shall betray me. (24) The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him. But woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed. It were better for him, if that man had not been born. (25) And Judas that betrayed him answering, said: Is it I, Rabbi? He saith to him: Thou hast said it. (26) And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread and blessed and broke and gave to his disciples and said: Take ye and eat. This is my body. (27) And taking the chalice, he gave thanks and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. (28) For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins. (29) And I say to you, I will not drink from henceforth of this fruit of the vine until that day when I shall drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father. (30) And a hymn being said, they went out unto mount Olivet.

Mark 14:12-26 DRB Now on the first day of the unleavened bread, when they sacrificed the pasch, the disciples say to him: Whither wilt thou that we go and prepare for thee to eat the pasch? (13) And he sendeth two of his disciples and saith to them: Go ye into the city; and there shall meet you a man carrying a pitcher of water. Follow him. (14) And whithersoever he shall go in, say to the master of the house, The master saith, Where is my refectory, where I may eat the pasch with my disciples? (15) And he will shew you a large dining room furnished. And there prepare ye for us. (16) And his disciples went their way and came into the city. And they found as he had told them: and they prepared the pasch. (17) And when evening was come, he cometh with the twelve. (18) And when they were at table and eating, Jesus saith: Amen I say to you, one of you that eateth with me shall betray me. (19) But they began to be sorrowful and to say to him, one by one: Is it I? (20) Who saith to them: One of the twelve, who dippeth with me his hand in the dish. (21) And the Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed. It were better for him, if that man had not been born. (22) And whilst they were eating, Jesus took bread; and blessing, broke and gave to them and said: Take ye. This is my body. (23) And having taken the chalice, giving thanks, he gave it to them. And they all drank of it. (24) And he said to them: This is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many. (25) Amen I say to you that I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine until that day when I shall drink it new in the kingdom of God. (26) And when they had sung an hymn, they went forth to the mount of Olives.

Luke 22:7-20 DRB And the day of the unleavened bread came, on which it was necessary that the pasch should be killed. (8) And he sent Peter and John, saying: Go, and prepare for us the pasch, that we may eat. (9) But they said: Where wilt thou that we prepare? (10) And he said to them: Behold, as you go into the city, there shall meet you a man carrying a pitcher of water: follow him into the house where he entereth in. (11) And you shall say to the goodman of the house: The master saith to thee: Where is the guest chamber, where I may eat the pasch with my disciples? (12) And he will shew you a large dining room, furnished. And there prepare. (13) And they going, found as he had said to them and made ready the pasch. (14) And when the hour was come, he sat down: and the twelve apostles with him. (15) And he said to them: With desire I have desired to eat this pasch with you, before I suffer. (16) For I say to you that from this time I will not eat it, till it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. (17) And having taken the chalice, he gave thanks and said: Take and divide it among you. (18) For I say to you that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, till the kingdom of God come. (19) And taking bread, he gave thanks and brake and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. (20) In like manner, the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.

1 Corinthians 10:16-17 DRB (16) The chalice of benediction which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord? (17) For we, being many, are one bread, one body: all that partake of one bread.

1 Corinthians 11:23-29 DRB (23) For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread, (24) And giving thanks, broke and said: Take ye and eat: This is my body, which shall be delivered for you. This do for the commemoration of me. (25) In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood. This do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me. (26) For as often as you shall eat this bread and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. (27) Therefore, whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. (28) But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the chalice. (29) For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
 
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I think the translation was the problem.


[24] God, who made the world, and all things therein; he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
 
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I had found this t-shirt awhile back. Not a direct answer to the OP, but I thought you might enjoy it :p

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I think the translation was the problem.


[24] God, who made the world, and all things therein; he, being Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands.

I threw that one at there because that's the one most frequently thrown at us by and non-Real Presence crowd.

Look at this verse here, also in the Book of Acts:

Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:
The heavens are my throne,
the earth is my footstool.
What kind of house can you build for me?
says the Lord,
or what is to be my resting place?
Did not my hand make all these things?’
 
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[48] Dwelleth not in houses: That is, so as to stand in need of earthly dwellings, or to be contained, or circumscribed by them. Though, otherwise by his immense divinity, he is in our houses; and every where else; and Christ in his humanity dwelt in houses; and is now on our altars.



Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, The Acts Of The Apostles Chapter 7
 
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The Ark and the Items inside were all foreshadows of the Real Presence of the Messiah [and Our Lady = Ark]
If God demanded such High regard for those items that were not Him in the Flesh, then how much more should we regard Him in the Flesh?

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very good point... that should be made w/ OSASers who think they can sin however they want and still get into Heaven. I dont believe a lot of nonCatholics TRULY believe this... but some claim that they do... and some actually LIVE as though they belive this... so i guess they really do belive it... as contrary as it is to the Word

but anyway...

reading the OT should show anyone who doubts just how much God HATES sin... really hates it...

He told the Israelites to kill those who lived in those towns who worshppd the devil (of course, it doesn't explicitly say in most psgs that thats what they wer guilty of... but it was...)
 
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The first time we see the actual, tangible presence of God mentioned in Scripture is in the very first passages of the first book of the Bible, wherein is said simply that God walked with man in the Garden

When a stone was “anointed” in Bethel, God spoke to Jacob, telling him that He is the God of that place, Bethel Gen 31

Gen 35:14 a monument of stone was placed where God had spoken to him

Gen 39: “And the Lord was with him…” 39:21 “And the Lord was with Joseph…” 23 “…for the Lord was with him”

Joseph tells his father that “God Almighty appeared to [him] at Luza… and blessed [him]”




The Lord appears to Moses numerous times. The first time mentioned in scripture is at “the mountain of God, Horeb” in a flame “out of the midst of [a] bush” (Exodus 3:1) “…and he saw that the bush was on fire and was not burnt.” God tells him that He came “down to deliver [the Israelites] out of the hands of the Egyptians, and to bring them out of that land into a good and spacious land” (with the help of Moses) “Moses said to God: “Who am I that I should go to Pharao, and should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt?” And [God] said to him: “I will be with you

Exodus 13:19 And Moses took Joseph’s bones with him (out of Egypt): because [Joseph] had adjured the children of Israel saying: “God shall visit you, carry out my bones from hence with you.”

Exodus 15: in the canticle of Moses, Moses praises God and says (17): thou shalt bring [the people] in, and plant them in the mountain of thy inheritance, in thy most firm habitation which [You have] made, O Lord; Thy sanctuary… which [You] established”

** Exodus 15:16 seems even more explicit: Moses speaks of the people of Israel, calling them a people “which Thou hast possessed.” (…can’t be more with God than that, can you?)

“And Moses went up to God.” (Exodus 19:3)

“And all Mount Sinai was on a smoke: because the Lord was come down upon it in fire, and the smoke arose from it as out of a furnace: and all the mount was terrible. And the Lord came down upon Mount Sinai, in the very top of the mount, and he called Moses unto the top thereof. And when he was gone up thither, He said unto him: Go down, and charge the people: lest they should have a mind to pass the limits to see the Lord, and a very great multitude of them should perish. The priests also that come to the Lord, let them be sanctified, lest He strike them.” Then God told Moses and Aaron to “come up” to Him “but let not the priests and the people pass the limits, nor come up to the Lord, lest he kill them. [This is how impure we are without Christ] Then God spoke to Moses and Aaron, giving them His laws. (Ch 20) And all the people saw the voices and the flames, and the sound of the trumpet, and the mount smoking: and being terrified and struck with fear, they stood afar off, saying to Moses: Speak thou to us, and we will hear: let not the Lord speak to us, lest we die. And Moses said to the people: Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that the dread of Him might be in you, and you should not sin. And the people stood afar off. But Moses went to the dark cloud wherein God was. And the Lord [spoke to him about His laws]


In 20:24, God says to Moses, “You shall make an altar… and you shall offer upon it your holocausts… in every place where the memory of My name shall be: I will come to thee, and will bless thee.

In Exodus 24, God said to Moses: Come up to the Lord, thou and Aaron, Nadab and Abiu and 70 of the ancients of Israel, and you shall adore afar off. And Moses alone shall come up to the Lord, but they shall not come nigh: neither shall the people come up with him… (12:) And the Lord said to Moses: come up to me into the mount, and be there…” This is when God gave Moses the commandments

Then God told Moses to make an ark of setim wood, overlaid with purest gold within and without… (25:11) in which thou shalt put the testimony that I will give thee. Thence will I give orders, and will speak to thee over the propitiatory, and from the midst of the 2 cherubim which shall be upon the ark… all things which I will command the children of Israel…”

When the priests went into the Sanctuary, they were “in the sight of the Lord” They would DIE if they did not do things exactly as God prescribed (Ex 28:35 & 43) By the way, Chapter 29 speaks of putting a “mitre upon his head” which to this day is worn by the Pope and bishops of Christ’s Church

Some of God’s Spirit is everywhere, but obviously, His Spirit is in certain places in a more tangible, powerful way. Exodus 32:30: “Moses spoke to the people: You have sinned a very great sin: I will go up to the Lord…”

Chapter 33:3 God says: “I will not go up with thee because thou art a stiff-necked people: lest I destroy thee in the way… And the Lord said to Moses: Say to the children of Israel: Thou art a stiff-necked people; once I shall come up in the midst of thee, and shall destroy thee…”

34:5 mentions the Lord coming down in a cloud

Moses pleads with God to go with them (Ex 34:9) and to take away their sins

33:9: “And when [Moses] was gone into the tabernacle of the covenant, the pillar of the cloud came down, and stood at the door and He spoke with Moses. And all saw that the pillar of the cloud stood at the door of the tabernacle. And they stood and worshipped at the doors of the tents. And the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man is wont to speak to his friend. and when he returned into the camp, his servant Joshua… departed not from the tabernacle. And Moses [spoke to God] (15) And Moses said: If Thou Thyself dost not go before, bring us not out of this place. For how shall we be able to know… that we have found grace in thy sight unless you walk with us…” And the Lord said to Moses: This word also, which thou hast spoken, will I do: for thou hast found grace before Me, and thee I have known by name.” Later God tells Moses that “man shall not see Me and live.” Even to Moses He said, “My face [you cannot] see.” (Ex 33:23) Today we “see His face” in Jesus and His Holy Church. Jesus, when he died, rent the veil of the temple in two. Today we can enter the holy of holies, the Mass, and His Real Presence found in His Church

There are many other passages concerning the special presence of Jesus… more later
 
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Even to Moses He said, “My face [you cannot] see.” (Ex 33:23)

Today we “see His face” in Jesus and His Holy Church. Jesus, when he died, rent the veil of the temple in two. Today we can enter the holy of holies, the Mass, and His Real Presence found in His Church (the Roman Catholic Church)

There are many other passages concerning the special, tangible, efficacious presence of Jesus… more later
 
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Nehemiah had to go to the temple

where God gave him 15 more yrs of life

whereas b4, God had told him his time was up, he was going to die..

God can heal inside or outside the temple..

so why did he tell the guy to go to the temple?? (where he was healed)
 
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