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Traditions teach a cruel God
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Because msmorality makes random assertions about me personally, and you hilariously mistake my sarcasm for seriousness.
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Based on my personal faith, I rejected mercy beyond the grave at your same age.
I am of the opinion that the only one perfected in Love is God. And being a mortal, I have a way to go. However, I am grateful, that through scripture, my eyes were opened to the over abundance of Grace, Love and Mercy of God. And because God can NEVER cease being Who HE IS,ie. Love, Mercy and Grace ALways applies to people even after death.
" For nothing can separate anyone from my love, not even death. "
Romans 8:38-39
God never changes, HE is eternal, full of loving, kindness, grace and compassion. It is reasonable to assume He loves everyone beyond the grave, and it is unreasonable to believe God can change or cease being who He is..
"You, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, Slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness and truth." Ps 86:15
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Oh, yes ... that is hilarious!
I did think you really didn't love people, and I was worried that you were missing out. Glad to finally understand you were only being sarcastic. MsMorality is probably just concerned for you and is not trying to offend you in any way.
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Everyone, but not all are willing.
Revelation 20
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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This is a heresy that will lead many to hell. After death, there is only judgment. Those who are in hell merely await their chance for judgment. There are none who come from hell and into heaven. Not even the man who was suffering in hell who asked for God to send Lazarus to warn his friends.
Your chance is NOW. We each have our own life to live, and, after that, our lives are judged according to our works. We can either be judged by our works, or we can rely upon the works of Jesus Christ who died for our sins.
I do not believe that those who deny the existence of hell or its eternal nature really appreciate their own evil or the evilness of sin.
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Moses asked to be removed from the book of life. Do you really think Moses was asking to be thrown into a lake of fire?
The modern interpetation of the book of life and the lake of fire , or hell. Differ from Christ and the Jews.
No second chances ?
According to scripture and Christ, He offers second chances. According to 1Peter 4:6.
Why would a God of Grace, Love and Mercy offer second chances ?
Could it be because HE is full of Love, Mercy, Kindness and Compassion ?
The LORD is slow to anger and filled with unfailing love, forgiving every kind of sin and rebellion...' Num 14.18
Based on Scripture. Adam brought sin and death into the world. This includes everyone, and according to scripture. Christ has more power than Adam, and has included all of creation as being Saved. 1Cor15:22
Therefore, God has not left salvation up to men. He placed it all on Christ. So no one can boast. Eph 2:8-9.
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God does not place a time limit on His love.HE IS......Long suffering, patient, kind, full of compassion and love keeps no records of wrong.
Therefore , God endures and pursues everyone He loves, and who does God love ? The world. John 3:16 ,1 Cor 13.
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The greatest heresy it to teach God's love and grace last's only a Moment but his anger and un-forgiveness lasts for eternity .
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evil and sin cannot be appreciated, because that means to give value to. The differences are not that people do not 'beleive in' Hell, the difference is in what they think Hell is, and what it's intended purpose is.
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Can you provide scripture for what you're talking about?
Can you show me any instance where "second chances" are given to people after they die? This is not mainstream theology nor has it been the position of the Church going back to the time of Christ. It is a new invention, and therefore requires something stronger than repeating "God gives second chances".
The scripture is clear: Hebrews 9: 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
The entire point of preaching the Gospel to the lost is because they will have no second chance after they die. Otherwise, the focus of the Gospel would be on living well, since preaching the Gospel would be absolutely irrelevant since everyone would have to believe after death.
Your position is simply not logical when faced with the mandate to preach the Gospel and the constant reminders that only through Christ is there salvation. If salvation were possible after death, the Gospel would have been more of a Buddha message.
As for 1 Peter 4:6, Matthew Henry explains it thusly: "Some understand this difficult place thus: For this cause was the gospel preached to all the faithful of old, who are now dead in Christ, that thereby they might be taught and encouraged to bear the unrighteous judgments and persecutions which the rage of men put upon them in the flesh, but might live in the Spirit unto God. Others take the expression, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, in a spiritual sense, thus: The gospel was preached to them, to judge them, condemn them, and reprove them, for the corruption of their natures, and the viciousness of their lives, while they lived after the manner of the heathen or the mere natural man; and that, having thus mortified their sins, they might live according to God, a new and spiritual life. Take it thus; and thence learn, 1. The mortifying of our sins and living to God are the expected effects of the gospel preached to us. 2. God will certainly reckon with all those who have had the gospel preached to them, but without these good effects produced by it. God is ready to judge all those who have received the gospel in vain. 3. It is no matter how we are judged according to men in the flesh, if we do but live according to God in the Spirit."
I would like it if you would address the scriptures that state that Satan and his false prophet will burn forever in the lake of fire, and that those not found in the book of Life will also burn there forever. I would also like it if you would address the scripture that states that their "worm dieth not" in the fire that will "burn forever", as described by Jesus in the Gospel of Mark.
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God's grace and love lasts eternally indeed, as heaven will never end. The lake of fire, however, will also never end:
Mark 9:44
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Divine truths are not dependent on emotional appeals or your conception of what God is supposed to be. God IS and always WILL be, and your desire to wish that which is terrible away cannot in any way change reality.
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beside quiet waters He restores my soul..
The Lake of Fire does end. It is also called the Second Death and in this verse we are told that when all is handed to the Father death will be abolished:
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.
The Mark 9:44 is not meant to be taken literally.
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Don't know why the rest of the post didn't come through but I don't believe that it is heretical at all to think that God is not sadistic and unjust to the point where He would not only allow but also sanction eternal torment. Never mind that scripture doesn't support such.
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