Is it always your year to prosper financially?

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Perfect response.
If we make cash our currency, we forget the more important currency of the kingdom -- God's power, love, provision.
Amen!
GOD alone is our provision, not cash.


This can be hard to absorb, and isn't pertinent to every situation. But I know exactly what you mean. I was also involved in a situation where I realized my generosity was causing more problems than helping. Not that an orphanage doesn't need help! But you never know how the money is being managed.
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Amen.
They need the food and the building money etc.
But they need those curses to be broken or they'll
end up with a rotting building and dirty threadbare
clothing and disease etc..

So glad that someone understood what I meant. :D
God bless you.
 
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While I love your zealousness and I see you have a heart for the poor.
(I assume you're practicing what you're preaching?)

I have been involved in a ministry that raises money for some foreign orphans.
they have a few meals a week (seriously) and no parents .. etc.
Recently I attended a fund raiser and I know of many programs trying
to get money to this people.
I was very much determined to do my part to make this thing rock and roll,
when a couple of weeks ago, the Lord spoke to me and let me know that
this problem cannot be solved by money.
It's a SPIRITUAL problem and so therefore needs to be fought 'spiritually"

So while we should certainly help to feed the hungry and house the homeless.
JEsus said that the remedy for poverty was.............. the gospel.

THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,
BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR.
HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES,
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND,
TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED...
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Yes, I did read your post Sunlover, and appreciated it! I was still chewing on some of what you said. :thumbsup:

The solution to poverty is the gospel? Hmmm. That sounds like something a Prosperity Preacher would say! :D But if we strip away the greed and excess that typically comes to mind with this type of preaching, then what you said may be the core truth to this situation.



Consider a little comparative religion: The Gnostic heresy stated that God is a Spirit, but that the physical world was created by a lessor god. Therefore, physical pleasures were a distraction from the True God. They believed that Jesus could not have incarnated into a real body, but must have just appeared to have done so. This is why the biblical test against this heresy was to ask if Jesus had really come in the flesh or not. For them, flesh was evil.

But in actuality God shows His mastery over both the spiritual realm and the physical. The Gospel is about healing and deliverance, both physical and spiritual.

Aesthetics are people who have learned to be content no matter what their circumstances are in the physical. Buddhism teaches that lust and desire lead to suffering. The simple solution is to simply change your inner desires, and stop wanting all this stuff we spend so much effort to produce in Western society.

Satanist oth believe that enlightenment comes through experiencing everything that life has to offer. We cringe at the very thought of their "religion", but it is very similar in ways to what Solomon did in the book of Ecclesiastes. He sampled everything, and came to the conclusion that God's way is better.

IMO God is Lord over both the physical and the spiritual. He knows we are living here in the physical, and is fully capable of taking care of us here where we are. But His blessings are also spiritual. If we look too closely at just the physical, we can loose perspective over what He is doing for us in the spiritual.

Those who make Mammon their god, will make all their decisions based upon what is financially prosperous. They will pick a job they hate over one they love, simply because it makes more money. They will ignore the spiritual blessings of God, because it gets in the way of their ultimate goal, which is physical wealth.

But those who follow God will experience blessings both in the spiritual as well as the physical. There is no set standard of equality that applies to everyone in this, either. Some receive their healings with very little effort, others find wealth. Some get both, while others appear to get neither. IDK why. I can only imagine that God knows what He's doing.

It very well could be that blessing us is not His primary goal. Yes, He wants to do it, but it is secondary to either what He needs to teach us, or what He desires us to accomplish for the Kingdom.
 
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Romans 11 does not say that the rich root of the olive tree is rich in spiritual blessings only.

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Sorry franky, but you're the one arguing from and abstract. It would be like someone asking me to analyze a dream they had. Sorry.. it would be way to subjective.

All I am asking for is clear Abrahamic NT theology, to show how we are to get money from the deal, when all NT usage is spiritual with Abraham.
 
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But they need those curses to be broken[/B] or they'll
end up with a rotting building and dirty threadbare
clothing and disease etc..

So glad that someone understood what I meant. :D
God bless you.
That whole curse thing, is just another excuse used, for the prosperity preachers, to blame the "unblessed" for not receiveing. "they did not have faith", or "they did not remove the curses"..

LOL...

Way to many hoops to dive through in this teaching.
 
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Amen.
They need the food and the building money etc.
But they need those curses to be broken or they'll
end up with a rotting building and dirty threadbare
clothing and disease etc..

So glad that someone understood what I meant.
God bless you.
For the viewing audience, please explain how one removes the curses.:D

Often lingo is touted, but never thought through. Like when the faith people say, "he did not receive it"..lol...
 
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Perfect response.
If we make cash our currency, we forget the more important currency of the kingdom -- God's power, love, provision.


This can be hard to absorb, and isn't pertinent to every situation. But I know exactly what you mean. I was also involved in a situation where I realized my generosity was causing more problems than helping. Not that an orphanage doesn't need help! But you never know how the money is being managed.
oh my...we don't want to knopw about the management. Some churches actually want to see bank statements, to see if one is "tithing" off the gross, or net.
 
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The only reason God will cause a believer to prosper is to reveal if he has the spiritual maturity to handle it. All kinds he prospers at different times. Only some glorify Him in their prosperity. Only those who have in their spirit a rich storehouse of Bible doctrine that is sound and life giving. That's only for some. For others who do his will God provides a great inner prosperity that money can not buy. To validate that truth God does not financially prosper all who do his will. They will not be poor as to be poverty stricken.. but they will not be financially well to do. It all amounts to God revealing that his happiness, when a believer truly matures, will be happy no matter what state he is in.

A little Greek insight I gained from my beloved pastor's teaching.
Romans 8:6

For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit
is (capacity for) life and peace (inner prosperity of soul).



God wants us to have great capacity for life before his blessings come. Without having this capacity it would be like giving a hormone laden teenager a very fast car. It can end up destroying us if we do not have the capacity for it developed. God wants all of us to prosper. There are various ways to prosper. Which ever way He determines we will not be disappointed. Its when we have not the capacity that we think we know what will make us happy. But, this much is easy to say. Not having enough for our basic needs almost guarantees unhappiness. But, even then some it will make no difference, if that is what God determined for that believer for a season in their life.



Philippians 4:11-12

I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have
learned to be content whatever the circumstances.
I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it
is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being
content in any and every situation
, whether well

fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.


As God determines for us we will be happy if we put learning (and keeping) sound doctrine first in our lives.
 
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For the viewing audience, please explain how one removes the curses.:D
Not getting the joke here.
Why the "ha ha" face?
you don't believe in curses?


Often lingo is touted, but never thought through.
Like when the faith people say, "he did not receive it"..lol...

Again, what's funny about saying "he did not receive it"?
 
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What always gets me is when prosperity teachers comes along, with a broad prophecy like statement and declares "this is your financial blessing year! Your seed harvest has come!"

Well, any fair minded persom may look around and say..

"Well, maybe for you!, who live off our money, but this homeboy had all kinda junk happen! It was not a prosperous year!"

So, should the prosperity preachers say that to millions who may have serious troubles during the year of "supposed blessing"?

I feel your pain, bro. Those teachers should perhaps keep in mind what's written in the Bible - especially this, spoken by Jesus Christ Himself:

(Mat 6:33) But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
People can "sow" or "tithe" all they want - and it will be an exercise in futility, unless they follow the Lord's will. I used to give 10% of my income. Used to. It was only until I stopped that, and started following the Lord's will, that my finances really started improving. How much money have I given in the past month? Maybe a few dollars worth, to be honest. I have no degree of any kind, yet my salary, converted to US$ is close to $100,000 per year. That's divine provision. :amen:
 
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oh my...we don't want to knopw about the management. Some churches actually want to see bank statements, to see if one is "tithing" off the gross, or net.

This is true and crazy...what if we gave time like did volunteer work would this not count as tithing or is it always to be money...also do these pastors and board members do they give exactly ten percent of what's in their accounts? I wonder?
 
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Aesthetics are people who have learned to be content no matter what their circumstances are in the physical.
You probably meant Ascetics.

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Some churches actually want to see bank statements, to see if one is "tithing" off the gross, or net.
That sounds illegal. The laws of the land are there for our protection...for a reason...and churches should not consider themselves beyond reproach.

It is unethical to even breach privacy of donor names (although not illegal), or donor amounts unless previously approved.

In addition, if an individual at a church has copies of bank statements sitting in the building, then account numbers are vulnerable to theft. That demand for private information should not only send members running, but running to the nearest legal consultant.

The instance I was referring to was closer to Sunlover's orphanage experience, but both still relate. In my situation, the "curse" was a mindset from previous years that had become so much a part of their thinking, that they were seeing God's/Christian provision almost as though they had tricked the system. They had won over God and man.

Which has similarities to the errors made in the name of faith preaching. People delight in kicking the system, rising above, becoming so secure that they don't need to rely on God daily.
 
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That whole curse thing, is just another excuse used, for the prosperity preachers,
It's from the Bible
2For wrath killeth the foolish man, and envy slayeth the silly one.
3I have seen the foolish taking root: but suddenly I cursed his habitation.
4His children are far from safety, and they are crushed in the gate, neither

is there any to deliver them.
to blame the "unblessed" for not receiveing. "they did not have faith", or "they did not remove the curses"..
Jesus said that same thing:

16And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation,
how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

18And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.


LOL...

Way to many hoops to dive through in this teaching.
You see this "teaching" throughout Scripture.

You cannot just throw money at a problem,
the problem needs to be dealt with at the root.
Jesus said to clothe the naked
feed the hungry ..
and PREACH the GOOD NEWS to the poor.


:preach:
 
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Sorry franky, but you're the one arguing from and abstract. It would be like someone asking me to analyze a dream they had. Sorry.. it would be way to subjective.

All I am asking for is clear Abrahamic NT theology, to show how we are to get money from the deal, when all NT usage is spiritual with Abraham.

Not an abstract line of thought, but then here's another.

Galatians 3:29

This verse says, we are heirs because we are Abraham's offspring in Christ.

You say this means spiritual blessings only. Prove it
 
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Not an abstract line of thought, but then here's another.

Galatians 3:29

This verse says, we are heirs because we are Abraham's offspring in Christ.

You say this means spiritual blessings only. Prove it

Follow that line of thought back in that chapter, and you'll find the "promise" it's talking about is the one mentioned in verse 14, that is we received the Spirit of God:

"so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith."

The blessing of Abraham we've received is God's Spirit.
 
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Follow that line of thought back in that chapter, and you'll find the "promise" it's talking about is the one mentioned in verse 14, that is we received the Spirit of God:

"so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith."

The blessing of Abraham we've received is God's Spirit.
That's a biggy!
And it's even that and so much more :clap:
Here's just one more point of many!:
We can "see" the kingdom ...
(Seek ye first the kingdom of God and...
ALL of these things will be ADDED unto you)
:preach:
 
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Follow that line of thought back in that chapter, and you'll find the "promise" it's talking about is the one mentioned in verse 14, that is we received the Spirit of God:

"so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith."

The blessing of Abraham we've received is God's Spirit.

I don't find any teaching old or new testament, which says receiving the Holy Spirit disqualifies us from the blessings or promises of God.

Now lets read 15, and 16

"Brethren I speak in terms of human relations, even only it was a man's covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say and to his seeds, as referring to many, but rather to one, that is Christ."

The covenant is an everlasting covenant, it does not change as to the substance of it.

The word says the new (look up the word new, it means improved, not brand new, as never existed before ), the new covenat is better than the old.

The old covenant had salvation, plus provision, healing, protection, if the new covenant only provided salvation for our soul, and nothing for the life here on earth, then the old is better then the new, which it is not.

If God loves us just as He loved the children of Israel, then why would He not provide the same blessings for us now as He did them then? Makes no sense.

Romans 11 says we are grafted into the rich root of the olive tree, has time eroded some of the richness of the root of the olive tree? Makes no sense.
 
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You probably meant Ascetics.


That sounds illegal. The laws of the land are there for our protection...for a reason...and churches should not consider themselves beyond reproach.

It is unethical to even breach privacy of donor names (although not illegal), or donor amounts unless previously approved.

In addition, if an individual at a church has copies of bank statements sitting in the building, then account numbers are vulnerable to theft. That demand for private information should not only send members running, but running to the nearest legal consultant.

The instance I was referring to was closer to Sunlover's orphanage experience, but both still relate. In my situation, the "curse" was a mindset from previous years that had become so much a part of their thinking, that they were seeing God's/Christian provision almost as though they had tricked the system. They had won over God and man.

Which has similarities to the errors made in the name of faith preaching. People delight in kicking the system, rising above, becoming so secure that they don't need to rely on God daily.
Good post!:)
 
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It's from the Bible
2For wrath killeth the foolish man, and envy slayeth the silly one.
3I have seen the foolish taking root: but suddenly I cursed his habitation.
4His children are far from safety, and they are crushed in the gate, neither

is there any to deliver them.
Jesus said that same thing:

16And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
17Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation,
how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.


You see this "teaching" throughout Scripture.

You cannot just throw money at a problem,
the problem needs to be dealt with at the root.
Jesus said to clothe the naked
feed the hungry ..
and PREACH the GOOD NEWS to the poor.

:preach:
Sooooo in other words, the prosperity gospel, is understood to all, but not to Peter, James, John, the Jerusalem church, and the Macedonians churhces who were historically poor? Please be clear, you seem like a nice person, however circular. God bless.
 
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Not an abstract line of thought, but then here's another.

Galatians 3:29

This verse says, we are heirs because we are Abraham's offspring in Christ.

You say this means spiritual blessings only. Prove it
I did prove it, it says the blessing is the Spirit, as per 3:14, and justifification, as per 3:9!

You..you..need to post some clear scripture already, from the NT, using Abraham, and financial prosperity!

Why is Abraham always used spiritually in the NT, other than by you?
 
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I don't find any teaching old or new testament, which says receiving the Holy Spirit disqualifies us from the blessings or promises of God.

Now lets read 15, and 16

"Brethren I speak in terms of human relations, even only it was a man's covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say and to his seeds, as referring to many, but rather to one, that is Christ."
THE CONTEXT, there is about how the Judaizers were trying to add on Mosaic law, so your usage of said verse has nothing to do with your promotion of prosperity, and the Abrahamic cov.
The covenant is an everlasting covenant, it does not change as to the substance of it.

The word says the new (look up the word new, it means improved, not brand new, as never existed before ), the new covenat is better than the old.

The old covenant had salvation, plus provision, healing, protection, if the new covenant only provided salvation for our soul, and nothing for the life here on earth, then the old is better then the new, which it is not.

If God loves us just as He loved the children of Israel, then why would He not provide the same blessings for us now as He did them then? Makes no sense.

Romans 11 says we are grafted into the rich root of the olive tree, has time eroded some of the richness of the root of the olive tree? Makes no sense.
 
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