Can anyone answer the question to why Humans and Apes are both called Primates and do

Golden Yak · Feb 12, 2011

"Can anyone answer the question to why Humans and Apes are both called Primates and do look alike in someways both have hands feet ears that look a like if Human Evolution is false Im open to the idea of Evolution being false this is why Im asking this question."

Well, humans and apes are both called 'primates' because humans and apes are both in a group of animals with the name 'primate', in the same way that wolves and dogs are in a group called 'canidae'. And in fact humans are in the group called 'apes' which is a sub-group inside 'primate'.

Of course, these are names for groups of similar animals, and simply naming them doesn't have anything to do with evolution being true or false. They are named the way they are in the first place because they appear to be related.

As for the physical resemblance, a creationist would likely just tell you that they were simply made that way.

Naraoia · Feb 12, 2011

truthseeker63 said:
Can anyone answer the question to why Humans and Apes are both called Primates

Heh, because Linnaeus classified us both in an order called Primates. And, yes, he did that because of the similarities. Taxonomists haven't seen a reason to change that classification since, and molecular biology has also corroborated it. (Technically, humans are apes, by the way)

and do look alike in someways both have hands feet ears that look a like if Human Evolution is false Im open to the idea of Evolution being false this is why Im asking this question.

Can you please ungarble this sentence? I honestly don't understand the first half...

AV1611VET said:
They look alike because they are alike.

In fact, they are the same.

What some see as "primates", are probably those who died with bone disfigurements.

I believe if King David's bones were dug up today -- (assuming they were fossilized) -- he would look like either a Cro-magnon or Neanderthal.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought "Cro-magnons" didn't look all that different from living humans.

If you read the 38th Psalm, you'll see that he died of a strange disease that changed his physical appearance dramatically.

Notice especially verse 6:

Psalm 38:6 I am troubled; I am bowed down greatly; I go mourning all the day long.

Neither of the human groups you mentioned was "bowed down" any more than we are.

AV1611VET · Feb 12, 2011

Naraoia said:
Neither of the human groups you mentioned was "bowed down" any more than we are.

Fair enough -- I won't dispute that.

I'm sure he would be classified as something though.

Maybe whatever came before Cro-magnon or Neanderthal?

Nostromo · Feb 12, 2011

Or maybe as an old bloke with osteoarthritis.

USincognito · Feb 13, 2011

Lion Hearted Man said:
Or he was depressed about something and was looking down at the ground a lot, like this:

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Nostromo said:
Hey, is that Snoopy in the background?

I've seen that scene a dozen times, including on the DVD with commentary, and never noticed the dog on the house in the background.

Herman Hedning · Feb 13, 2011

AV1611VET said:
I believe if King David's bones were dug up today -- (assuming they were fossilized) -- he would look like either a Cro-magnon or Neanderthal.

Well, he'd look like a Cro-Magnon for sure, since that is modern man (Homo sapiens sapiens). Neanderthal, not so much.

Naraoia · Feb 13, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Fair enough -- I won't dispute that.

I'm sure he would be classified as something though.

Maybe whatever came before Cro-magnon or Neanderthal?

I'm with Nostromo on this one.

Nostromo said:
Or maybe as an old bloke with osteoarthritis.

GoSeminoles! · Feb 13, 2011

truthseeker63 said:
Can anyone answer the question to why Humans and Apes are both called Primates and do look alike in someways both have hands feet ears that look a like if Human Evolution is false Im open to the idea of Evolution being false this is why Im asking this question.

Primates share a general set of characteristics not found in other animals. Primates have the usual mammalian traits plus forward-vision, fingernails/toenails, opposable thumbs (in varying degrees), movable toes, a short snout with teeth useful for eating both meat and plants, a tendency toward upright posture, two nipples, a comparatively large brain, and a comparatively long adolescence.

Humans and other modern primates share a common ancestor, which is why we share so many of these traits with them and why our DNA is most similar to the DNA of other primates rather than any other type of animal.

SaraCurious · Feb 13, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Fair enough -- I won't dispute that.

I'm sure he would be classified as something though.

Maybe whatever came before Cro-magnon or Neanderthal?

Neanderthal is thought to be a different branching then Homo sapien sapien, most likely competitive.

AV, why do you always confuse me and make me crazy, one second you show me you seem to understand basic evolution, this is highschool stuff, and the next nothing, like you have no clue.

As you seem to think that "King David" was a different species/group/family you make one wonder, you screaming "NO, I DON'T"? Well, yes you do, you said if we dug up he would "look like" cro magnon (Homo sapien) and thus, we would not see a difference between homo sapien and homo sapien sapien, making the entire Biological scene incompetent.

So either you believe "they" where a different type of "Human", or science cant see the difference between bones making ever single fossil found useless as they are no different from eachother, we know nothing of it, following your logic.

Sara

Nathan Poe · Feb 13, 2011

SaraCurious said:
AV, why do you always confuse me and make me crazy, one second you show me you seem to understand basic evolution, this is highschool stuff, and the next nothing, like you have no clue.

Because AV realizes that besides his own sense of self-importance, he has nothing to add to-- no, check that. AV adds nothing whatsoever to any discussion he participates in.

he therefore prefers to attempt to confuse people with his semantic acrobatics, making himself appear to be clever.

It doesn't work, but a one trick pony does only one trick.

AV1611VET · Feb 13, 2011

SaraCurious said:
As you seem to think that "King David" was a different species/group/family you make one wonder, you screaming "NO, I DON'T"? Well, yes you do, you said if we dug up he would "look like" cro magnon (Homo sapien) and thus, we would not see a difference between homo sapien and homo sapien sapien, making the entire Biological scene incompetent.

King David was a human being just like all the rest of us.

Unfortunately, he died of a serious disease that altered his bone structure.

Same for Lucy, same for Piltdown Man, same for Nebraska Man, same for Cro-magnon, Neanderthal, Hesperapithecus haroldcookii, and anyone else that can be dug up.

They were all at one time contributing members of society, who died of bone disfigurements and the like.

And yes, I know that some of the abovementioned were fakes.

Nathan Poe · Feb 13, 2011

AV1611VET said:
King David was a human being just like all the rest of us.

Unfortunately, he died of a serious disease that altered his bone structure.

Same for Lucy, same for Piltdown Man, same for Nebraska Man, same for Cro-magnon, Neanderthal, Hesperapithecus haroldcookii, and anyone else that can be dug up.

They were all at one time contributing members of society, who died of bone disfigurements and the like.

And yes, I know that some of the abovementioned were fakes.

What disease would that be, Dr. AV?

SaraCurious · Feb 13, 2011

AV1611VET said:
King David was a human being just like all the rest of us.

Unfortunately, he died of a serious disease that altered his bone structure.

Same for Lucy, same for Piltdown Man, same for Nebraska Man, same for Cro-magnon, Neanderthal, Hesperapithecus haroldcookii, and anyone else that can be dug up.

They were all at one time contributing members of society, who died of bone disfigurements and the like.

And yes, I know that some of the abovementioned were fakes.

So anything dug up showing you are wrong is simple a guy with arthritis? You got evidence for this amazing claim?

What about other? Say Horses?
What about T-Rex? Is that a Horse with a disfigurement? Just so I know the deal here?

AV1611VET · Feb 13, 2011

SaraCurious said:
So anything dug up showing you are wrong is simple a guy with arthritis?

Yes -- assuming you're using 'arthritis' as a collective term.

SaraCurious said:
You got evidence for this amazing claim?

No -- thank Heavens; but I do support by beliefs with God's Documentation: 1

SaraCurious said:
What about other? Say Horses?

What about them?

SaraCurious said:
What about T-Rex?

What about him?

SaraCurious said:
Is that a Horse with a disfigurement?

Who? T-Rex? I doubt it.

T-Rex ran his course here on earth, then went the way of the Periodic Table.

SaraCurious said:
Just so I know the deal here?

You confuse easily though, remember saying that a half dozen times?

Nathan Poe · Feb 13, 2011

AV1611VET said:
Yes -- assuming you're using 'arthritis' as a collective term.

No -- thank Heavens; but I do support by beliefs with God's Documentation: 1

I'm afriad you've got no documentation at all which supports your claim -- what disease did you/the Documentation say it was again?

AV1611VET · Feb 13, 2011

Nathan Poe said:
I'm afriad you've got no documentation at all which supports your claim -- what disease did you/the Documentation say it was again?

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Nathan Poe · Feb 13, 2011

AV1611VET said:
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Fever? Fever distorted the skeletons?

This is sad, AV -- even for you.

AV1611VET · Feb 13, 2011

Nathan Poe said:
Fever? Fever distorted the skeletons?

This is sad, AV -- even for you.

You can hang that arab phone up anytime.

Or stay on the line, so you can stay [pretend?] confused like Sara is so often.

Lion Hearted Man · Feb 13, 2011

AV1611VET said:
King David was a human being just like all the rest of us.

Unfortunately, he died of a serious disease that altered his bone structure.

Same for Lucy, same for Piltdown Man, same for Nebraska Man, same for Cro-magnon, Neanderthal, Hesperapithecus haroldcookii, and anyone else that can be dug up.

They were all at one time contributing members of society, who died of bone disfigurements and the like.

And yes, I know that some of the abovementioned were fakes.

Yo bro, I'm actually in school studying pathology, and there are no bone diseases that have been characterized that can explain the differences in morphology between early hominid skeletons and modern humans. You could, of course, counter this by saying these diseases aren't around anymore. I wouldn't buy that, but there are still other problems with your argument.

Your idea would also have more merit if we found the early hominid skeletons (such as Australopithecus and Homo erectus, etc.) appeared in the same fossil layers as modern humans. That's what we would expect if those skeletons were in fact modern humans suffering from disease, but we've never found skeletons of modern humans mingling with these early hominids.

AV1611VET · Feb 13, 2011

Lion Hearted Man said:
Yo bro, I'm actually in school studying pathology, and there are no bone diseases that have been characterized that can explain the differences in morphology between early hominid skeletons and modern humans.

Cool! now you know why they're called:

Deuteronomy 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

Lion Hearted Man said:
You could, of course, counter this by saying these diseases aren't around anymore. I wouldn't buy that, but there are still other problems with your argument.

I know you wouldn't buy it -- your grade means more to you than the Truth, doesn't it?

There's where the money's at.

Lion Hearted Man said:
Your idea would also have more merit if we found the early hominid skeletons (such as Australopithecus and Homo erectus, etc.) appeared in the same fossil layers as modern humans.

No, it wouldn't. I wasn't born yesterday, my friend.

The 'academic elite' would stand around scratching their heads and asking why the diseased were just meandering around with the non-diseased, like nothing was wrong.

It's called 'quarantining'.

Lion Hearted Man said:
That's what we would expect if those skeletons were in fact modern humans suffering from disease, but we've never found skeletons of modern humans mingling with these early hominids.

You would expect the diseased just wandering around with the non-diseased??

Numbers 5:2 Command the children of Israel, that they put out of the camp every leper, and every one that hath an issue, and whosoever is defiled by the dead:

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