But it that mortal man that brought sin into this world. He sinned. God didn't sin for Adam, Adam did that himself.
This is true but you are trying to isolate this verse from the fall which is what this verses is addressing. It is also addressing why God wanted the fall to happen as well as the hope in the ages top come.
I posted scripture in it's ENTIRE context, I didn't isolate one verse and then try and make statements on just those one verse alone when it comes to this subject. That verse is bundled up with others around it.
I agree which I just pointed out. But this has nothing to do with the fact that Creation was not willing. Did not God created man in his own image and likeness which is spirit (God is not a soul)?
Did not God on the seventh day "form man from the dust of the earth and made him a living soul. This was Gd lower man to carnality,to a dust man soul man.
1 Corinthians 2:13-15
The soulical man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned,
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that the creation itself will be set free from it's bondage to decay and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
Again, this is after the fall because "bondage of decay" is not part of the creation UNTIL Adam sinned and brought death into the world. If death and decay was already here before the fall, then please explain to me why Romans 5 tell us that Adam sin brought death into the world or why is one of the punishments for Adam and Eve's sin was death (from dust we came and dust we will become) if that was part of the world already???
NO.
It's not, these verses are dealing with us in our state after the fall of man.
Amen.
But Romans 8:20 and Ps 90 tell us God took the blame.
If you want to speak about Adam specifically then you should Read Romans 5:12-21 that speaks specifically about Adam's sin, which tells us that HE--not GOD--but ADAM sinned.
Therefore, JUST AS SIN CAME INTO THIS WORLD THROUGH ONE MAN, and death through sin, and so death spread to all man because all sinned--Romans 5:12
This is true but Romans 8:20 and Ps 90 tell us God took the blame.
That verse tells us specifically that Adam was the one who sinned. It didn't tell us that Adam was subjected to God's will and therefore God gave him no choice, NO, it tells us that Adam sinned.
There is no such thing as man having a freewill or choice to be found about salvation any where in the Bible; the Bible teaches to the contrary. Freewill and choice is a religious term not a Biblical.
No where does it say Adam chose freely. I like NIRV
(NIRV) Romans 8: 20 The created world was bound to fail. But that was not the r
esult of its own choice. It was planned that way by the One who made it. God planned to set the created world free. He didn't want it to rot away completely. Instead, he wanted it to have the same glorious freedom that his children have
He choice to sin--that is free will. God told him NOT TO. If Adam went on and ate the fruit and God said nothing then Adam wasn't given a choice, but that simple command that God gave Adam created the choice and the choice belong to Adam and he freely could choose to or not to.
If you are going to make your argument, try not to insult people...otherwise there is no point in continuing this discussion. Again, read it...you'll see that the first two verse tell us how God's has always been here and all the other verses after tell us what God does to his creation now. In verse 5, it tells us that God sweep them away as with a flood, something that happened AFTER the fall of man, it wasn't something God was doing before the fall. Even verse 10 tells us that our days are numbered to around 70 or 80 and although I don't think he was meaning a specific age, we are told in Genesis that God cut man's lifespan to about 120, AFTER the FALL.
Romans 8:20 is speaking about the fall.
It is
also speaking that God caused it a
nd was not willing.
Freewill/not willing???????
It is also speaking of the reason God caused the fall in hope.
Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations.
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.
Ps. 90:1-3. Your trying to explain away the clear time frame of this verse which clearly shows us a time frame
before mountains were brought forth,
or ever You have formed the earth or the world. You cannot go back further in time then this; yet you are trying to prove the context is after the fall.
Do not give me your bias agenda when interpreting God's Word for it does not work. You are insulting God's Word with this vane attempt.
Romans 8:20 is speaking after the fall because Paul uses a reference that was part of the punishment for the fall. When God created the world He said it was "very good" so what happened between that "very good" and the "whole creation groaning and moaning in the pains of childbirth"??? THE FALL.
