How could marine life survived the flood

Split Rock said:

Uhhh.. excuse me, but The Bible clearly states that diseases are caused by demons.

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Is that a problem?

And do you mean 'all diseases' or 'some diseases'?

ug333 said:

The salinity of the water would have changed substantially if there was a global flood. How could both salt water and fresh water organisms adapted to live in one body of water in 40 days or less? Assuming they did, how is it possible that they have changed in a few thousands years to now lack that ability.

What about other changes? Reefs would be in drastically deeper water.

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well for one the watermix would not have been homogenous.
Life tends to be surprising- within the last couple decades the book has been rewritten again and again on what is supposed to be possible and not possible for life... and it certainly is still open.

As for reefs thats easy- larval polyps that hadn't settled yet would have been floating around in upper layers andsome would have resettled after the forty days and started the recolonization process.

Based on the assumption that the flooding of the earth was merely a raising of the water level worldwide.

Split Rock said:

Uhhh.. excuse me, but The Bible clearly states that diseases are caused by demons.

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ug333 said:

YES that is a problem! Understanding that disease is NOT caused by demons has allowed us to save MILLIONS of lives!

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Would it be too much of an imposition to ask for book, chapter and verse showing where diseases were caused by demons?

(I won't ask for 'clearly stating' -- that would be too hard a task.)

ug333 said:

I will let split rock answer to specific versus. I don't know if it clearly states it, but I know several versus mention disease and demons (or evil spirits, or what have you) back to back, such as healing diseases and casting out demons.

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These guys like to bring stuff like this up:

Mark 1:34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.

... and claim that the Bible teaches demons were the cause of diseases.

This is what happens when you get your theology from the Internet.

Son of the King said:

Maybe thats because your looking for a natural answer to a supernatural event.

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Thats a possibly reasonable answer, but then if going to use god as a answer to everything you end up with theological problems, and simply, why bother trying to make any of it fit science if just going to stick god in there. There just isn't any evidence it happened let alone plausiblity of it happening.

If god is going to have to micro manage everything to the point of sillyness to make the flood happen, why bother with it? Why not blink animals away, why not blink all humans dead but noah and his family *and no AV your answer makes no sense so don't answer* the flood even if that was possible requires thousands of little miracles to get anything to work.

AV1611VET said:

Is that a problem?

And do you mean 'all diseases' or 'some diseases'?

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AV1611VET said:

Would it be too much of an imposition to ask for book, chapter and verse showing where diseases were caused by demons?

(I won't ask for 'clearly stating' -- that would be too hard a task.)

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AV1611VET said:

These guys like to bring stuff like this up:

Mark 1:34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.

... and claim that the Bible teaches demons were the cause of diseases.

This is what happens when you get your theology from the Internet.

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I never claimed that the Bible says all diseases are caused by demons (or devils as the KJV calls them). Some are caused by curses, witches or sin.

Split Rock said:

I never claimed that the Bible says all diseases are caused by demons. Some are caused by curses, witches or birds that aren't dead yet.

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Could you show me one pertaining to a demon, please?

AV1611VET said:

Could you show me one pertaining to a demon, please?

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Matthew 9:32
As they went out, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a DEVIL.



Matthew 11:18
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a DEVIL.



Mark 5:16
And they that saw [it] told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the DEVIL, and [also] concerning the swine.



Mark 7:30
And when she was come to her house, she found the DEVIL gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.


Matthew 17:18
And Jesus rebuked the DEVIL; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour

Matthew 9:33
And when the DEVIL was cast out, the dumb spake: and the multitudes marvelled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel.




Luke 4:33
And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean DEVIL, and cried out with a loud voice,



Mark 5:15
And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the DEVIL, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.




Acts 10:38
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the DEVIL; for God was with him.





Matthew 15:22
And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, [thou] Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a DEVIL

Matthew 12:22
Then was brought unto him one possessed with a DEVIL, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

Split Rock said:

* Bible verses *

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That's half of what I asked, Split Rock.

Please select any one of those and show me the disease that you said was so clearly stated in the Bible.

Split Rock said:

Uhhh.. excuse me, but The Bible clearly states that diseases are caused by demons. I would consider demonic possession to be "supernatural," thank you very much.

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AV1611VET said:

That's half of what I asked, Split Rock.

Please select any one of those and show me the disease that you said was so clearly stated in the Bible.

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Matthew 12:22
Then was brought unto him one possessed with a DEVIL, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

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Um. Blind and mute = devil.

That one, I think, is the most obvious.

Delphiki said:

Um. Blind and mute = devil.

That one, I think, is the most obvious.

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Blind and mute are not diseases -- they are privations.

I'm talking where demons were substituted for germs.

AV1611VET said:

That's half of what I asked, Split Rock.

Please select any one of those and show me the disease that you said was so clearly stated in the Bible.

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The only specific disease mentioned in scripture that I am aware of, is Leprosy. many scholars don't even think it is the same disease we call Leprosy. As far as being "clearly stated," all interpretations are "clearly stated" in scripture... isn't that the way the game is played?

AV1611VET said:

Blind and mute are not diseases -- they are privations.

I'm talking where demons were substituted for germs.

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Aren't some of the seven plagues of Egypt diseases? Were they not brought on by God cursing sinful pharoah?

Split Rock said:

The only specific disease mentioned in scripture that I am aware of, is Leprosy. many scholars don't even think it is the same disease we call Leprosy. As far as being "clearly stated," all interpretations are "clearly stated" in scripture... isn't that the way the game is played?

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Fair enough -- I'll take th↓s with a grain of pepper.

Split Rock said:

Uhhh.. excuse me, but The Bible clearly states that diseases are caused by demons. I would consider demonic possession to be "supernatural," thank you very much.

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Split Rock said:

Aren't some of the seven plagues of Egypt diseases? Were they not brought on by God cursing sinful pharoah?

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God ≠ demon

Seven plagues?

AV1611VET said:

God ≠ demon

Seven plagues?

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Yes, you know, the ones where god needed two plagues to obliterate the livestock, because he didn't get it right the first time.

ug333 said:

The salinity of the water would have changed substantially if there was a global flood. How could both salt water and fresh water organisms adapted to live in one body of water in 40 days or less? Assuming they did, how is it possible that they have changed in a few thousands years to now lack that ability.

What about other changes? Reefs would be in drastically deeper water.

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Shouldn't it be obvious that Noah's Ark had both a fresh water and salt water aquarium?! He also had a Green house to preserve all of the plants that would normally be destroyed as a result of the flood.