Reality Disorder? (may be in the wrong place)

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So a few weeks ago I was struggling a lot and became discouraged in myself that I was a real follower of Christ. I began questioning my rationale as to why I was a follower of Christ and if I should be teaching. When that happened I started questioning whether I might be delusioned to think I was a follower of Christ when in reality I was being deluded by Satan.

At that point it all started falling apart, I started questioning reality itself (and very seriously) and whether I was really alive or not. At that I began searching my memories for descrepancies to determine if at one point I died and the rest was just an illusion. My mind seemed to zero on a point where I attended my best friend's funeral, he took his own life and it had a severe affect on me back then. (I began considering suicide also and one night I felt frightened and literally heard growling and snarling and shrieking in the room and it surrounded me when I was laying on my bed). I attributed this to a possible "breakdown" and that Satan took advantage.

When I remembered this I had to wonder if I did infact take my own life and that I've been somehow hallucinating my life since then (about a year ago). Immediately as I was thinking that I felt the end of something press against under my chin and a loud piercing explosion seemed to enter my mind and my whole body felt static and kind of numb. It made me fear that I was remembering my own death.

In the next few days I started reading my bible to test myself to see if I was alive and one night I broke down to God in prayer and since I have felt a lot of peace.

My final dilemma: Is that peace the real peace that Christ brings? Or is it my perceptions fooling me to think everything is okay?
 

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I go thru the same thing. I call it a OCD attack. I tried to commit suicide myself. I rememeber waking up in detox all green like I was the living dead. When I finally got help the delusion went away then to me I started to feel normal. I have since then dealt with Pure-O. Where I believe I died and am at God's Judgment. This is to a delusion that I connot get out of my head. It hurts so badly. But I say Oh well I guess I'm dead nothing I can do about it and I continue to press forward. Go to the OCD forum on here and read some of my threads. You'll see alot of what your going thru on there. My best wishes to ya.
 
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In the next few days I started reading my bible to test myself to see if I was alive and one night I broke down to God in prayer and since I have felt a lot of peace.

My final dilemma: Is that peace the real peace that Christ brings? Or is it my perceptions fooling me to think everything is okay?

It sounds like you are teetering again on the edge of the "abyss" when you are doubting peace and joy that does not need to be doubted. However, these struggles are normal and actually good, for what they are is like this:

It is like a room you lived in was in darkness. And you grew up in that room but did not know it. When the light comes the entire room changes. But, not really. Now, you are no longer blind, for the light has flooded the darkness. But, it can be challenging to go from great darkness to great light -- not that you were in great darkness. But, as one struggles in Christ against the darkness in the world and the heavenlies, invariably one does struggle against that darkness... inside.


This monster of darkness is as the leviathan, a great creature in the deep darkness of the see, with whom anyone struggles, it is said, "They never forget the fight". But this same great monster, of it is said, "He swears to be a servant of the Lord forever" and "the Lord makes it a pet for his daughters". For by great struggles come great reward, now one has power moreso.


Consider Jacob wrestling with Jesus through the night. It was night through which he wrestled. At the end of the night, dawn came. But the struggle was as one struggles blindly, in darkness. So, it was given to Jacob the name "Israel" whose name people contend about the exact meaning of, though Jesus said to Jacob, "for you have contended with God and man and overcome". Likewise, is this same sort of statement seen in Revelation.



Ultimately, I always find when questioning the nature of reality, myself coming back to the truth of Jesus Christ and his message. This I know is true, even if I doubt everything else. I have doubted whether I have not already died and this is the afterlife. Hrm. I have doubted just about everything from time to time, to test it. Or perhaps exploring what is "out there".


Often what these things produce is a reliance not on our own perceptions, not what we see with our eyes nor hear with our ears, but a greater reliance on faith. And I have found that once one passes through the darkest nights of the soul - as the saying goes - one finds always great reward at the end.


I do not consider great reward to come at a price, for it is God who gives us eternal life freely, and the ability to handle all manner of darkness. But what is shown by adversity is that power God has given us. And though we may not fully understand everything - if hardly anything at all - what we can always rest assured on is that God is love.

Which means God wants the best for you at all times.


Remember, finally, it is by faith we live. This is a very different way of life then the way of the world. The world asks that we live by calculations, by probabilities, and by our own strength and wisdom. But, true life is by faith -- even if the Spirit explains to us these other matters or we pretend for the sake of getting along with others we are elsewise.


Always keep close the words of the Son, the teachings of Jesus Christ, for these are the anchor through all things.
 
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So your telling me alot of ppl deal with this kind of stuff. WOW I don't feel so alone any more. I can rest assure that ppl out there ? there own exstence and I for one go over board with it. It has been a struggle I deal with alot but life always has gone on like it always has. I just live by faith.
 
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So your telling me alot of ppl deal with this kind of stuff. WOW I don't feel so alone any more. I can rest assure that ppl out there ? there own exstence and I for one go over board with it. It has been a struggle I deal with alot but life always has gone on like it always has. I just live by faith.

I said it was "normal". This does not mean you are not "ahead of the curve". You probably are. But, you are also "normal", as am I.

How do I know I am normal when I can pretty well say from comparing my experiences and words and actions with others experiences and words and actions... that I am anything but normal -- as can you?

Because my existence is good. I have an incredible life and perspective. As I believe God is love and good, therefore I believe that everyone must be here, or even higher. And therefore, they will almost surely also have to go through this.


I would sometimes like to say, "I would wish no one else would ever feel the pain I have felt". A statement I have made to myself before. But, then, without that pain, how would they know the joy? Not that joy comes at the price of pain, for joy is free, but the perspective of joy, of height, from seeing what it is like on the ground enriches it.


If one exalts one's self, one is brought down. If one is humbled, and agrees to that humbling, they are sitting in the lowest seat and exalted.


So, when we have these doubts and such, when we reach the bottom of the proverbial ocean floor, I always find, I look around, see I am as nothing, see that I am still alive, and go, "I am still alive, even through that". This is quite an experience. For one begins to discover nothing can kill you, nothing can shatter you, nothing can stop your faith.


For it is not us that believes and keeps us, but God working through us. And God became "as nothing" for us.



One may think one's self the devil, or deceived by the devil (though whether that may not be the devil attacking them is another matter), but what is this when one regards this as evil? It is really - whether one can admit it at the time or not - as the man who prays, "God have mercy on me, a wretched sinner".


And, we find there really is no "nothing". No nothing at all.


We may then realize we are not "nothing", we are not "darkness", but we are alive.



Indeed, in light of such experiences how dim becomes the statement, "I think therefore, I am" (Descartes)?


Because everything in the world challenges that statement, the most basic statement of life, which truly transcends words. For that very statement is of Jesus "the Living One" and the very Name God gave as to Moses at the Burning Bush.


One never truly knows they are alive until they have faced that.



I actually just faced the worst I have ever faced a few weeks ago, only to find that the seeming endless "voices", thoughts, whatever, of accusations... the accusations which would seem to come at every single turn of thought... gone. And then, and still, there has been silence.


I did not even know such silence existed.


It has been for me, as if I were weighted with a million chains and imprisoned, held down my entire life, always having to have the right answer, at every turn internally having to face down accusations, doubts, questionings.



But is your experience unknown to anyone else? I would think not. I could write probably an endless stream of horror books now, or fantasy or science fiction from the sort of things I have considered. Only one of them is seriously wondering what is real outside one's self, with one's past, and so on.


None of this ultimately matters, but that we can say "I exist" and "I am" through such things, that matters.


And whether it is said or not, that happens. For it comes, it came, and it went. And you are still alive.
 
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Thank you yes I understand when you said when on is faced with this they truly know they are alive. Like refreshing water to my torched mouth. These words you have spoken have blessed me greatly.
 
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Thank you yes I understand when you said when on is faced with this they truly know they are alive. Like refreshing water to my torched mouth. These words you have spoken have blessed me greatly.

:) Been there done that, bro.

Sounds like you have been through death & hell a bit like me. Do not think that is because you are evil. Quite the contrary. It is because you are ahead of the curve and can use that to help others.

Here are various things I have learned through these things:


Ten Virgins parable: Have you found yourself desperately asking people for answers and not seeming to get what they are saying? Then you have become like one of the virgins that fell asleep and now is awake suddenly to find all of your oil burned out. You go and ask others and they just do not seem to have the answers. Keep listening. So, you go back to "town" - read, study, pray, everything you can - and come back only to see it as if you are locked out. You find yourself crying bitterly in the darkness, and it seems as if God is saying you are rejected and He does not know you.


But do not stop there. It does not say anyone is locked out forever and ever. God is good, God is love, that means God knows your pain and loves you.


Everyone goes through the darkness. Everyone at some time in their life is as locked out. Everyone can feel God has forsaken them. And those moments seem as if they are forever, without beginning and without end. All hope seems to be lost.


But consider this from another angle. You were thirsty and no one gave you any drink.


Those other virgins had water and refused to give it to you. So what shall happen to them?


Was that kind or faithful of them not to give you the water you so desperately needed? Does not the other parable say, "You gave me water when I was thirsty"?


So these are hard ones. And the answers are not as people think. They read "I do not know you, go into the fire prepared for the Devil and his angels" or "into the outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth". But this does not say "forever". That is important.


In fact, it is warned, "All must pass through the fire". And "That day will be a day of refinement of great testing". It does not say "some". It says "all".


What is that fire if "death and hell are thrown into the Lake of Fire"? Some call it "spiritual death". Whatever it is, it is actually coming alive.


Though, it is written, "no man may see my face and live", it is also written, "I saw the face of God and lived", which was what Jacob said after he contended with Jesus on the hill.


And Paul spoke of this saying, "We will see Him and become as He is by seeing Him". How that is, who knows. But this is what it is like, the spiritual journey, coming closer and closer to the face of God.



There is much more, however.


For instance, in the parable of the rich man in torment in the fire in Hell, who sees Lazarus far off and asks Abraham (literally, here, Jesus, as Father of Nations) in his heart, asks Father Abraham to come and send Lazarus with the merest of water to soothe his pain. Father Abraham responds, "You received your good things when you were alive, while Lazarus here received bad things. Now he is receiving his good things while you are receiving your bad things. Besides there is an impassable chasm separating the two of you".


Has your life before this great struggle been what you considered good things? Have you gotten to the point where you might go, "But I have only received bad things, my life has been miserable". Then that is one step closer to the waters.

For one comes to the point where they must give up everything to continue, and that giving up is truly in the heart, not externally. There, one sees just how miserable their lot has been. For some this is easy, for others hard.


Indeed, such is the mind, or the nature of God to shut doors and keep them shut or open them and keep them open... that one day we can see our lives as full of good things. And the next we can see it as the most miserable life on the planet.


We, too, as children of God must realize inwardly, God is teaching us that kind of control. To shut internal doors on that which should be shut and keep it shut. And to open internal doors on that which should be opened and keep it open. That is internal strength through the Spirit of God. That is life. That is what comes from the "contend with God and man".


That is will and that is the boundary of the will which is one's imagination.



That abyss which can not be crossed? What is impossible for God? For the road we walk in life has an ultimate stop point where, to continue on, we must cross an abyss. Can one cross that abyss through logic, or anything but faith? No. But by faith we can cross that abyss knowing there is a road there even if below our feet it seems certain doom and surely no invisible bridge.

But that invisible bridge is there, held by God, for it is the final test, the final exam of faith.



Where, then are the waters, truly? If we look to others to the point that we find ourselves thirsty, be wary and stop yourself. You are forgetting they do not have the answers, like the vigilant virgins and the oil. God does. And where is God but inside? So stop and look inside for the answer, not "out there". Then, one finds it.


That, too, is by faith. Hard faith, at times.



It can be like a final exam we find ourselves at not having studied. One can get very upset by the testing, until one remembers, "wait a second, whatever answer I give is the answer God gave me, for what is sin but lack of knowledge and if I lack knowledge then God has simply shut that door for me". As this is the truth. In fact, we very often had the right knowledge just minutes before. God shows us how He can open and shut doors so we forget. And then remember.


When one is shown such a thing, then one has learned from the Teacher, who is Christ. Through our hearts, and at times, thankfully, through the mouths and actions of others.



Everybody has different questions. These questions may be on almost anything which so causes them to thirst. They are as questions on a final exam. A test. They may be multiple choice. Maybe there are multiple possible answers one can see -- but one really needs to know the right one. Or maybe it is a true or false question.

In the real tests, true or false can not be cheated. For if one answers a question which is posed to one "true" when they are really unsure and figure they have a fifty-fifty chance of being right or wrong... sooner or later they may be tested again in a different way and answer "false". And so they failed that test.


But faith says, "There is no failure. It is impossible. Because even if I can not understand why God would love me, well, surely God must, for God is love and made me and knows me better then anyone else. Therefore, as David spoke of, 'God even if I go to the abyss, you are there with me'".


And indeed, there is no place one might go that God is not with them.


Would God then wish to keep one of his own children forever in such dark places of crying and gnashing one's teeth? I think not.




Hopefully these things help as well. Maybe some are challenging, and you will have to struggle over it to match your own experiences and current beliefs.


Remember, as far as knowledge goes, however, that 'we never really know anything as we should'. Knowledge is extremely over rated.


And, I suppose finally, if one finds that one is as a child, and everything before is meaningless, then be of good cheer, for 'one must become as a child to enter the Kingdom of God'. Children play. They pretend. They are very serious in their games, but they quickly will go from one to another.



They have fun in playing. And that is what life is about. Even if we are quite terrible children in the sense that we go through quite terrible "games".


These things change us, make us stronger, make us able to believe harder, make us able to change the world. From the inside out.
 
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THE NAMES OF GOD

OLD TESTAMENT NAMES FOR GOD

ELOHIM......Genesis 1:1, Psalm 19:1 meaning "God", a reference to God's power and might.

ADONAI......Malachi 1:6 meaning "Lord", a reference to the Lordship of God.

JEHOVAH--YAHWEH.....Genesis 2:4 a reference to God's divine salvation.

JEHOVAH-MACCADDESHEM.......Exodus 31:13 meaning "The Lord thy sanctifier"

JEHOVAH-ROHI......Psalm 23:1 meaning "The Lord my shepherd"

JEHOVAH-SHAMMAH.......Ezekiel 48:35
meaning "The Lord who is present"

JEHOVAH-RAPHA.........Exodus 15:26 meaning "The Lord our healer"

JEHOVAH-TSIDKENU......Jeremiah 23:6 meaning "The Lord our righteousness"

JEHOVAH-JIREH.........Genesis 22:13-14 meaning "The Lord will provide"

JEHOVAH-NISSI.........Exodus 17:15 meaning "The Lord our banner"

JEHOVAH-SHALOM........Judges 6:24 meaning "The Lord is peace"

JEHOVAH-SABBAOTH......Isaiah 6:1-3 meaning "The Lord of Hosts"

JEHOVAH-GMOLAH........Jeremiah 51:6 meaning "The God of Recompense"

EL-ELYON..............Genesis 14:17-20,Isaiah 14:13-14 meaning "The most high God

EL-ROI................Genesis 16:13 meaning "The strong one who sees"

EL-SHADDAI............Genesis 17:1,Psalm 91:1 meaning "The God of the mountains or God Almighty"

EL-OLAM...............Isaiah 40:28-31 meaning "The everlasting God"
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MORE NAMES OF GOD

  • ABBA.............................Romans 8:15
  • ADVOCATE.........................I John 2:1 (kjv)
  • ALMIGHTY.........................Genesis 17:1
  • ALPHA............................Revelation 22:13
  • AMEN.............................Revelation 3:14
  • ANCIENT OF DAYS..................Daniel 7:9
  • ANOINTED ONE.....................Psalm 2:2
  • APOSTLE..........................Hebrews 3:1
  • ARM OF THE LORD..................Isaiah 53:1
  • AUTHOR OF LIFE...................Acts 3:15
  • AUTHOR OF OUR FAITH..............Hebrews 12:2
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  • BEGINNING.........................Revelation 21:6
  • BLESSED & HOLY RULER..............1 Timothy 6:15
  • BRANCH............................Jeremiah 33:15
  • BREAD OF GOD......................John 6:33
  • BREAD OF LIFE.....................John 6:35
  • BRIDEGROOM........................Isaiah 62:56
  • BRIGHT MORNING STAR...............Revelation 22:16
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  • CHIEF SHEPHERD.....................1 Peter 5:4
  • CHOSEN ONE.........................Isaiah 42:1
  • CHRIST.............................Matthew 22:42
  • CHRIST OF GOD......................Luke 9:20
  • CHRIST THE LORD....................Luke 2:11
  • CHRIST, SON OF LIVING GOD..........Matthew 16:16
  • COMFORTER..........................John 14:26(kjv)
  • COMMANDER..........................Isaiah 55:4
  • CONSOLATION OF ISRAEL...............Luke 2:25
  • CONSUMING FIRE......................Deut. 4:24, Heb. 12:29
  • CORNERSTONE.........................Isaiah 28:16
  • COUNSELOR...........................Isaiah 9:6
  • CREATOR.............................1 Peter 4:19
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  • DELIVERER..............................Romans 11:26
  • DESIRED OF ALL NATIONS.................Haggai 2:7
  • DOOR...................................John 10:7(kjv)
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  • END....................................Revelation 21:6
  • ETERNAL GOD............................Deut. 33:27
  • EVERLASTING FATHER.....................Isaiah 9:6
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  • FAITHFUL & TRUE........................Revelation 19:11
  • FAITHFUL WITNESS.......................Revelation 1:5
  • FATHER.................................Matthew 6:9
  • FIRSTBORN (3)........................................Rom.8:29,Rev.1:5,Col.1:15
  • FIRSTFRUITS............................1 Cor.15:20-23
  • FOUNDATION.............................1 Cor. 3:11
  • FRIEND OF TAX COLLECTORS & SINNERS.....Matthew 11:19
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  • GENTLE WHISPER.........................1 Kings 19:12
  • GIFT OF GOD............................John 4:10
  • GLORY OF THE LORD......................Isaiah 40:5
  • GOD....................................Genesis 1:1
  • GOD ALMIGHTY...........................Genesis 17:1
  • GOD OVER ALL...........................Romans 9:5
  • GOD WHO SEES ME........................Genesis 16:13
  • GOOD SHEPHERD..........................John 10:11
  • GREAT HIGH PRIEST......................Hebrews 4:14
  • GREAT SHEPHERD.........................Hebrews 13:20
  • GUIDE..................................Psalm 48:14
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I've been rereading a lot of my dreams I posted... I wonder if I have been too skeptical (by my own wisdon) to a gift God has possibly given me. I've never really attempted to interpret the dreams all that much however as I realize I really can't, I can only "guess".
 
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I've been rereading a lot of my dreams I posted... I wonder if I have been too skeptical (by my own wisdon) to a gift God has possibly given me. I've never really attempted to interpret the dreams all that much however as I realize I really can't, I can only "guess".


Try and get sure about it.

Don't stand in the middle.

I am Elijah.

Right now. Because Elijah is off day dreaming.
 
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  • HEAD OF THE BODY.......................Colossians 1:18
  • HEAD OF THE CHURCH.....................Ephesians 5:23
  • HEIR OF ALL THINGS.....................Hebrews 1:2
  • HIGH PRIEST............................Hebrews 3:1
  • HIGH PRIEST FOREVER....................Hebrews 6:20
  • HOLY ONE...............................Acts 2:27
  • HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.....................Isaiah 49:7
  • HOLY SPIRIT............................John 15:26
  • HOPE...................................Titus 2:13
  • HORN OF SALVATION......................Luke 1:69
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  • I AM....................................Exodus 3:14, John 8:58
  • IMAGE OF GOD............................2 Cor. 4:4
  • IMAGE OF HIS PERSON.....................Hebrews 1:3 (kjv)
  • IMMANUEL................................Isaiah 7:14
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  • JEALOUS..............................Exodus 34:14 (kjv)
  • JEHOVAH..............................Psalm 83:18 (kjv)
  • JESUS................................Matthew 1:21
  • JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD................Romans 6:23
  • JUDGE................................Isaiah 33:22, Acts 10:42
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  • KING.................................Zechariah 9:9
  • KING ETERNAL.........................1 Timothy 1:17
  • KING OF KINGS........................1 Timothy 6:15
  • KING OF THE AGES.....................Revelation 15:3
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  • LAMB OF GOD...........................John 1:29
  • LAST ADAM.............................1 Cor. 15:45
  • LAWGIVER..............................Isaiah 33:22
  • LEADER................................Isaiah 55:4
  • LIFE..................................John 14:6
  • LIGHT OF THE WORLD....................John 8:12
  • LIKE AN EAGLE.........................Deut. 32:11
  • LILY OF THE VALLEYS...................Song 2:1
  • LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH............Revelation 5:5
  • LIVING STONE..........................1 Peter 2:4
  • LIVING WATER..........................John 4:10
  • LORD..................................John 13:13
  • LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.....................Revelation 15:3
  • LORD JESUS CHRIST.....................1 Cor. 15:57
  • LORD OF ALL...........................Acts 10:36
  • LORD OF GLORY ........................1 Cor. 2:8
  • LORD OF HOSTS.........................Haggai 1:5
  • LORD OF LORDS.........................1 Tim. 6:15
  • LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS..............Jeremiah 23:6
  • LOVE.................................1 John 4:8
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  • MAN OF SORROWS.........................Isaiah 53:3
  • MASTER..................................Luke 5:5
  • MEDIATOR................................1 Timothy 2:5
  • MERCIFUL GOD............................Jeremiah 3:12
  • MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT................Malachi 3:1
  • MESSIAH................................. John 4:25
  • MIGHTY GOD...............................Isaiah 9:6
  • MIGHTY ONE...............................Isaiah 60:16
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  • NAZARENE.................................Matthew 2:23
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  • OFFSPRING OF DAVID.......................Revelation 22:16
  • OMEGA....................................Revelation 22:13
  • ONLY BEGOTTEN SON........................John 1:18(kjv)
  • OUR PASSOVER LAMB........................1 Cor. 5:7
  • OUR PEACE................................Ephesians 2:14
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  • POTTER...................................Isaiah 64:8
  • POWER OF GOD.............................1 Cor. 1:24
  • PRINCE OF PEACE..........................Isaiah 9:6
  • PROPHET..................................Acts 3:22
  • PURIFIER.................................Malachi 3:3
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  • RABBONI (TEACHER)........................John 20:16
  • RADIANCE OF GOD'S GLORY..................Heb.1:3
  • REDEEMER.................................Job 19:25
  • REFINER'S FIRE...........................Malachi 3:2
  • RESURRECTION.............................John 11:25
  • RIGHTEOUS ONE............................1 John 2:1
  • ROCK.....................................1 Cor.10:4
  • ROOT OF DAVID............................Rev. 22:16
  • ROSE OF SHARON...........................Song 2:1
  • RULER OF GOD'S CREATION..................Rev. 3:14
  • RULER OVER KINGS OF EARTH................Rev 1:5
  • RULER OVER ISRAEL........................Micah 5:2
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  • SAVIOR...................................Luke 2:11
  • SCEPTER OUT OF ISRAEL....................Numbers 24:17
  • SEED.....................................Genesis 3:15
  • SERVANT..................................Isaiah 42:1
  • SHEPHERD OF OUR SOULS....................1Peter 2:25
  • SHIELD...................................Genesis 15:1
  • SON OF DAVID.............................Matthew 1:1
  • SON OF GOD...............................Matthew 27:54
  • SON OF MAN...............................Matthew 8:20
  • SON OF THE MOST HIGH.....................Luke 1:32
  • SOURCE...................................Hebrews 5:9
  • SPIRIT OF GOD............................Genesis 1:2
  • STAR OUT OF JACOB........................Numbers 24:17
  • STONE....................................1 Peter 2:8
  • SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.....................Malachi 4:2
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  • TEACHER...................................John 13:13
  • TRUE LIGHT................................John 1:9
  • TRUE WITNESS..............................Revelation 3:14
  • TRUTH.....................................John 14:6
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  • VINE......................................John 15:5
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  • WAY........................................John 14:6
  • WISDOM OF GOD..............................1 Cor. 1:24
  • WITNESS....................................Isaiah 55:4
  • WONDERFUL..................................Isaiah 9:6
  • WORD.......................................John 1:1
  • WORD OF GOD................................Revelation 19:13
 
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Google - Derealization and Depersonalization. my friend: I had those after having a panic attack whilst under the influence of Marijuana.

I had a suspicion that I had actually died that night and I was living in a unreal/fake world.

I found the best way to conquer this idea is to just ignore it (doesn't work with all things but it worked on this) or if you start thinking about it just keep saying "Well if i'm unreal, i'm still having fun" ; see the funny side to it.

Within a few months; I got over it.

But the truth is YOU ARE REAL. YOU ARE NOT DEAD.
 
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God's Fighter I know your trying to find the answer you want to shut off these thought's but, like said above you just have to get to a place of ignoring them. There is recovering to this. I just think you have been stressed beyond your limits and now deal with what I deal with. Which is OCD. So please find the right treatment. You no lesser a person please I know it's painful but it can be managed.
 
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Sorry was in a scatological mood.

I guess I was saying, I can't turn your heart, not my area of expertise.


On dealing with voices, images, whatever: That is the Christian experience. Whatever is negative like that is "from the Devil", or "demonic", or "other people's spirits", or perhaps, best, and as Scripture says, essentially, "if not good, not of God" in many various ways.

It is a journey to discover what is truly of God and what is not. It is far more then the obvious. The obvious is easy.

That is something people can easily lose sight of. Thinking that if they are hammered by something vile or violent internally... realizing it is attacks from other spirits (finally)... and then not fighting much thinking, by those same spirits who attack at every angle they can, "Fight this off, just something more will come".

Because the darkness will and does challenge at every single turn. There is no magic button. No coloring of the waters. Maybe there are those with some enhanced ability to deduce between varying spirits, but even these people get bogged down by the spirits of the world -- or they would never get sick, age, or die.

That last statement is super challenging. And I admit sickness can have a place. I find few greater times of solace then when I have a good cold and can excuse myself therefore with total plausible deniability because of it.

But, sadly, it is also true. Or we wouldn't be able to believe and make things happen as Jesus said. Because if you have ever believed the impossible and made it happen you know what gets in the way are contrary thoughts that would choke that belief out. And those are as these other things. One has to fight them, destroy them, and keep believing. But people keep limits to what they can believe even still.


These limitations have a place, clearly. For one, we shouldn't be moving mountains all the time, literally. Though I am speaking of metaphoric mountains. The world has a balance. And faith can do anything, including creating new worlds. Faith is how Heaven and earth was created.


Spiritual struggles generally, as well, are much more then what the mind thinks off hand. Besides a basic boundary line to keep the world from teetering off its' axis. There is real combat, spiritually, internally, with people.


People are not just flesh and blood. They also have spirits. They are, basically, spiritual creatures in flesh and blood.


They struggle with each other, their limitations, their challenges, their preconceptions, their ideals, spiritually. There is a spiritual component to the flesh, and people do struggle with this, internally - as Scripture exactly points out - and externally, as with in others.


Not that anyone would believe any of this, though it is all perfectly true and sound scripturally. And even if one started to, they would find all sorts of new spiritual attacks coming at them with all sorts of false reasoning, schemes, and tricks to get them from keeping the truth.

Just the way the world is. Or. Fight it.

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On comment on drugs and such: I don't believe in that for "solutions". It is a contagion, and a curse. When people pronounce negative things, be they derogatory statements, or pronouncements of any manner of certain doom... it is something to fight against internally, turn down at every angle, keep down, until it is gone. One who does such things sees it proven externally as well.


Many things and ancedotes can always be found against these... "oh, but Joe did that and got hit by a bus". Many are very convincing. But that mindset requires one to believe negative things "out there" don't happen to hammer home just such lying points to those who didn't have it happen and would otherwise resist it.


Good examples include stuff like some parents letting their kid die famously because they wanted a cure by faith.


I am not saying a shortcut is to not ever take medicine. Actually, a shortcut is often TO take medicine. Because people generally have bigger problems to contend with then "how to get rid of this toothache by faith" right now. Or headache. Or flu.

I am saying, "don't let medicine be dependent on you". Don't think because you need ibuprofen right now you **always** will need it. Better is even that you don't always need headaches. Or that XYZ behavior will **always** cause it. You need not have them at all, ever. Matter of faith and will, which is one and the same.


And because you stub your toe and go "ow" doesn't mean that the whole house should come tumbling down because of some silly, antiquated, narrow minded view of "perfection". Even these such things can have a societal purpose. Or a purpose for you.


People think too much, and get caught up in the swamp of spirits out there, not even realizing that all of that is spiritual and is limiting who they are. It keeps them down, enslaves them. Makes them believe in mortality. Forces them to.
 
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