Matthew 28:19-20

gideon army · Aug 11, 2010

NatalieJan777 said:
Oh brother, instead of showing me scripture to back up what you stated you took the prosperity of wealth and riches of this world and not the wealth and riches of HIS WORD.

Nat, wondered why are you so furious when it's you who asked me to furnish you Scriptures showing Jesus Prospered All/ Healed All & Justified/Defended Sinners?

If i might hazzard a guess, it shows your lack of understanding Scriptures (at best & most polite description) or you're inherently deviod of any Intelligence even a preschoolar would be ashamed to be associated with you :doh:

This i believe was inspired by the Holy Spirit especially dedicated to you nat:-

Pro 13:16 Every prudent man acts with knowledge, But a fool lays open his folly. (Nat with your name on it)

NatalieJan777 said:
Back it up with scripture, show me where the pharisees and scribes used the 10 commandments to disqaulify the people.

SHOW ME SCRIPTURALLY without twisting truth to manipulate your vileness towards others. Do it with the Love of GOD in your heart brother, I know you are capable of such if HIS SPIRIT lives in you.
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Humm, You mean to say what i've shown you earlier that Jesus Healed ALL/ Prospered ALL & Defended Sinners against the Law are of my own writing? Or are you saying are the Scriptures i've furnished as requested by you are error on GOD's part? :doh:

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Matthew's Account

Matt 12:10 And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"—that they might accuse Him.

Matt 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out and plotted against Him, how they might destroy Him.

Please read yourself between Matt 12:10-14

Again scriptures showing how devoid of LOVE & compassion when one is under the Law, however all Law advocators are making a mockery of GOD's Law via the Scribes & Pharisees (Their Tribes still alive & kick today) who have lowered GOD's perfect Law into what is 'do able' in their lowly estimation & standards

Mark's Account

Mark 3:2 So they watched Him closely, whether He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him.

Mark 3:3 And He said to the man who had the withered hand, "Step forward."

Mark 3:4 Then He said to them, "Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they kept silent.

Mark 3:5 And when He had looked around at them with anger, being grieved by the hardness of their hearts, He said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other.

Mark 3:6 Then the Pharisees went out and immediately plotted with the Herodians against Him, how they might destroy Him.

Those who cling onto Law have heart of STONE for Scriptures is showing in the above

Luke's account

Luke 6:7 So the scribes and Phariseeswatched Him closely, whether He would heal on the Sabbath, that they might find an accusation against Him.

Luke 6:11 But they were filled with rage, and discussed with one another what they might do to Jesus.

Now, are the Pharisees & Scribes advocating Law to disqualify the Ppl from getting healed & more Importantly, Disqualifying GOD to heal the ppl?

Are the Pharisees & Scribes using the 10 Commandments to disqualify the Ppl from being Healed & recieve their miracle from GOD? Most Importantly are they disqualifying GOD from Healing on a day of REST?

Exd 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

Above is the 1st giving of the 10 Commandments

Exd 31:14 'You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.

This is the 2nd giving of the 10 Commandments

Revelation:- Men whom have confidence in their flesh (self works) prefers GOD to Bless them via their works. However Grace is underserved / Unearned/ Unmerited hence Christ did most of HIS Healing when HE walked on earth on the Rest day to show us that Grace starts when we stop working :amen:

(Not literally referring to working life in one's job or business, it's about 'working' for GOD's favors)

Wow isn't it impressive for GOD's breath to show us believers that Law advocators are worse than DUNG (Paul calls Himself Dung).

Nat, now i fully understand why you look the way you look

NatalieJan777 · Aug 11, 2010

If he defended sinners the Pharisees and Scribes would have been at the top of the list. He accepts all who humble themselves before HIM. Curious why you think I am furious? Again another untrue accusation from you .... they just keep piling up brother.

Okay, now so show me in the Law of Moses these things the Pharisees were upholding and accusing the pple and Jesus of please.

NatalieJan777 · Aug 11, 2010

Matthew 12:5 Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent?

Circumscision was of the Law as well and done on the 8th day even when it landed on the Sabbath. The pharisees were making up their own rules brother of what was acceptable to do on the sabbath and what was not acceptable.

Therefore I need you to take several of your refrenced scripture and then show me where it is in the Law of Moses, PLEASE!

NatalieJan777 · Aug 11, 2010

Note: Law of Moses, not the Talmud.

Noah Webster's New International Dictionary of the English Language

Talmud

(n.) The body of the Jewish civil and canonical law not comprised in the Pentateuch.

Pentateuch aka Torah

NatalieJan777 · Aug 11, 2010

Perhaps if you understand the difference between the true laws of GOD and those the Pharisees made up, you would better understand why Paul was opposed to the law for the Gentiles. It wasn't the true laws of GOD that the pharisees in the days of the early church were following. Nor current day Jews for that matter. The Talmud is not the word of GOD it is the word of man.

NatalieJan777 · Aug 12, 2010

Waiting for evidence still .................

gideon army · Aug 12, 2010

gideon army said:
Pro 26:11 As a dog returns to his own vomit, So a fool repeats his folly.

Which Peter also reminded us believers of Christians after being washed by Christ's blood then return into self works/self righteousness are liken to:-

2 Peter 2:22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit (Fm works to Grace then works again) ," and, "a sow, having washed (With Jesus's BLOOD), to her wallowing in the mire (Self righteousness via the Law which is effectively dirty smelly pungent with heavy flow & soiled used sanitary napkins ISA 64:6)."

gideon army said:
Lev 11:4 'Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cudor those that have cloven hooves: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you;

Lev 11:7 'and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.

Revelation:-

The Jews look at Gentiles as (1) Swine, however Church of Christ is known as the BRIDE ( Faminine) of Christ hence 2 Peter 2:22 use SOW (Female Pig- only applicable to those Christians whom were Saved by Faith in Christ but reverted to Works via Law), Then what is Chew the Cud? It's meditating on The Word of Christ & having a Revelation of HIM via the Scriptures (Any Fools/IDIOT from any Religion can understand Law & have laws but it takes the Holy Spirit to unveils one's eyes & have scales falling off when one sees Jesus & not Dos & don'ts)

For it's written:-

Rev 22:11 "He who is unjust, let him be unjust (speaking of seft righteousness via self works thru the Law from which NONE is Righteous) still; he who is filthy (Nat Holy Spirit referring to you from you filthy soiled smelly sanitary napkins from your self righteousness via works thru the Law), let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still."

1 Cr 14:38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Why paul stated above?

Pro 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But he who heeds counsel is wise. (This not applicable to you especially when show so much scriptures thru the months by so many )

Pro 13:16 Every prudent man acts with knowledge, But a fool lays open his folly. (Nat you have fulfilled Scriptures from this Thread much less others & it of no wonder that you'rev no longer teaching -praise GOD for He is merciful to the kids for they'll sure have spiritural food poisoning)

NatalieJan777 · Aug 13, 2010

Brother let us deal with one at a time shall we?

You just twisted this scripture against those who uphold the teachings of Christ Jesus. You pull from it what you want and then add in what you want it to say and not what it really says. You are so adept at twisting scripture, can you not speak the truth?

2 Peter 2

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless menfor that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed--an accursed brood! They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness. But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey--a beast without speech--who spoke with a man's voice and restrained the prophet's madness. These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity--for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit," and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."

The depravity they are slaves to is SIN. But you insist that Peter is speaking about those who do righteousness and insistent on the fact that the Pharisees were righteous.

I just don't get it, nor do I understand, this is not the proof I requested. Not one scripture reference is from the Torah and this is what I requested and need as evidence. Not your half baked ideas, only the truth of scripture is what I need from you.

NatalieJan777 · Aug 13, 2010

Okay so I see now you've taken the dietary laws of the Jews as referenced in Lev. 11:4 & 7 no doubt taking only what you wanted and again added to it what you want the meanings to be.

Where did the Pharisees throw dietary laws into Christ's face again? I don't remember where that scripture is.

NatalieJan777 · Aug 13, 2010

gideon army said:
For it's written:-

Rev 22:11 "He who is unjust, let him be unjust (speaking of seft righteousness via self works thru the Law from which NONE is Righteous) still; he who is filthy (Nat Holy Spirit referring to you from you filthy soiled smelly sanitary napkins from your self righteousness via works thru the Law), let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still."

1 Cr 14:38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Why paul stated above?

Pro 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But he who heeds counsel is wise. (This not applicable to you especially when show so much scriptures thru the months by so many )

Pro 13:16 Every prudent man acts with knowledge, But a fool lays open his folly. (Nat you have fulfilled Scriptures from this Thread much less others & it of no wonder that you'rev no longer teaching -praise GOD for He is merciful to the kids for they'll sure have spiritural food poisoning)

Brother, you are the one who is filthy and you continue to just be down right discusting. You feel no shame toward any for what you say or you've done for you've convinced yourself you need do nothing. You've convinced yourself that it is alright to continue in your sins, not only continue in them but get worse and worse ....

I trust my LORD who tells me to continue in HIM, which I will do, instead of listen to the lies of Satan, who wants us to be filled with the vileness of SIN that GOD cannot even look at.

judah israel · Aug 14, 2010

gideon army said:
That you can never find fm anywhere much less Deu 18. It's fm the deepest pits of HELL - find & show me in the Hebrew that says GOD Did His part & men must do ours & i'll pay you US$100 000!!!!!

You are the Baker nat http://www.christianforums.com/t7487421/

Your heartache cos you've constantly listened to the 'hiss of the devil' & have given into decieving spirits by thinking you have to add into the finished work of Christ on the Cross even when Christ cried out 'IT is Finished'

Scripturally it's the Devil who keeps putting you back into bondage again to fear via the 10 Commandments & having a constant evil conscience seared with a hot iron by perpetually (assuming you know the full requirement of the 10 commandments) being pre-occupied with sins & asking others whom Christ Eternal Blood have clensed all believers eternally & keep making a mockery out of the Spirit of Grace by keeping on your insults by advocating Law of the 10 commandments http://www.christianforums.com/t7487589/

gideon army said:
(1) Actually neither do i nat It's not my slander, it's scriptural

(2) There's Pre Cross & Post Cross when quoting Christ cos if sticking to your guns then all the epistles of Paul's are crap? Therefore, this i know as this best describe you http://www.christianforums.com/t7489423/ or & plus this http://www.christianforums.com/t7489480/ Literally i mean

So Gideon what you are saying is that God, The God of the whole creation has no rules and regulations. Is that what you are saying? Are you aware that it was the One who became known as Jesus that gave you the 10 commandments? (Heb.13:8) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

You are truly an enemy of Christ, (Rom.8:7-8) (v.7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.(v.8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Jesus told you out of His own month, (John:14:15) If ye love me keep my commandments.

Oh excuse me that was pre-cross, well here is some post-cross, (Rev.22: 12-14) (v.12) And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (v.13) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. (v.14) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Peace

NatalieJan777 · Aug 14, 2010

gideon army said:
Very good Nat in showing to others your lack of understanding scriptures yet again. Shall explain on your post using Bolded BLUE

Brother, I've asked once before. I do not appreciate you adding text to that which is qouted of me saying. Please stop doing that, it is an infraction of my personal right for you to do so, it is deceptive and wrong to change anothers qoute while qouting them. I suppose I am the only one who believes this is wrong? Please stop doing this.

Bolding what I've said is one thing, but adding to it is just wrong!

NatalieJan777 · Aug 14, 2010

Brother Gideon Army,

I requested that you show me where the Jewish leader in the days of our Lord here on earth where they used GOD's Laws against GOD and other people.

You as of yet have been unable to show me a law in the Torah used. Does this mean that by your negligence to provide said evidence that there is none?

Perhaps you need more time?

Just let me know .....

Meet me at the cross · Aug 15, 2010

Christ stated: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Any yet the Apostles Baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ in the Book of Acts.

NatalieJan777 · Aug 18, 2010

NatalieJan777 said:
Brother Gideon Army,

I requested that you show me where the Jewish leader in the days of our Lord here on earth where they used GOD's Laws against GOD and other people.

You as of yet have been unable to show me a law in the Torah used. Does this mean that by your negligence to provide said evidence that there is none?
Perhaps you need more time?

Just let me know .....

????

NatalieJan777 · Aug 20, 2010

Not able to find any evidence of your falshood huh GA?

You won't, I've investigated to find the truth that the Pharisees and Scribes while bound on the Sabath to uphold and teach the Law of Moses (Will of GOD), did not do the WILL of GOD during all the other days of the week. They persecuted people who did not do things their way, not GOD's way.

Saul (Paul) was one of them standing by as they stoned Stephen. But in that stoning they did not convict using the law, they convicted and Stoned Stephen using their own merciless devises, which they all were skilled at doing, including Saul. They did the same to Jesus, not because HE stood up for sinners, but because HE WAS SINLESS.

Matthew 21:28-46 "What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, 'Son, go and work today in the vineyard.' "'I will not,' he answered, but later he changed his mind and went. "Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, 'I will, sir,' but he did not go. "Which of the two did what his father wanted?" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. "Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit. "The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. Last of all, he sent his son to them. 'They will respect my son,' he said. "But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, 'This is the heir. Come, let's kill him and take his inheritance.' So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?" "He will bring those wretches to a wretched end," they replied, "and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time." Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'? "Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed." When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus' parables, they knew he was talking about them. They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

The thing is, this puts a big hole in your theology that those who do the will of GOD are anti christ, because these Pharisees and Scribes are the ones you use to prove that those who obey GOD are not of GOD.

Still waiting for your evidence if you can find any, I have patience so take your time.

NatalieJan777 · Aug 21, 2010

Meet me at the cross said:
Christ stated: baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Any yet the Apostles Baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ in the Book of Acts.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all GOD!

Meet me at the cross · Aug 21, 2010

So do you baptize in the Name of Jesus, or in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost?

Meet me at the cross · Aug 21, 2010

That did not answer my question.

NatalieJan777 said:
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all GOD!

NatalieJan777 · Aug 21, 2010

Could you kindly show me the scripture that you are refering to from Acts? I already know what Jesus says, and it is HIM I follow. It would make it alot easier to directly answer if I knew what text you were refering to. I do not baptise nor have I ever baptised anyone, just so that you know.

Matthew 28:19-20

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