Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.
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sound like conditionsfor only those who have met and accepted Jesus.
Those who are of the family of God in Christ experience only unconditional love always. I know--I have had experiences of deep depression, but the Lord has told me he is pleased with my faith--even though I know I had let down my end.
Those who are outside of the family of God have another father--Satan, who doesn't love at all. He hates all flesh and wants to kill us.
Good fathers and mothers love their children unconditionally, whether their children please them or not.
If you have been subject to an imperfect parent who could not manage to love unconditionally, then that is why you have a problem accepting how God loves. If you have accepted Jesus as your Saviour, make Him your Lord and ask Him to show you how He loves you unconditionally--He is pleased to prove it to you!
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While there are certain conditions to be met for certain things to happen, there are several verses that leave it wide open and allow an unconditional parameter.
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the bible says this about love and what it says is love comes with conditions.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
the Love of God requires us to keep his words
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
those words we need to keep is his commandments
Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
we have to keep ourselves in the love of God, we do this by keeping his words even the commandments
lets look at the whole duty of man concerning our walk with Jesus
Eccl 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, andkeep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
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my interpretation is not in question its your understanding that needs to be looked at
lets read the words of God and question your understanding
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Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
do this need interpretation
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
do this need interpretation
Rom 13: 8: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10: Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Surely this won't need interpretation
Notice you have the word love, law or commandments in the same verse.
there is NO need for interpretation, there is no need to assume that this verse means love, that verse means love. it is written so no interpretation is needed
Do you love Jesus?
if you do then you keep his commandments
Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
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the Jesus I serve said this
Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments
I accept him because I keep his commandments
I love him because I keep his commandments
I obey him because I keep his commandments
the Jesus I serve had this written
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
He love me because I keep his commandments
2Thes 3:5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
He directed my heart on how to love him by telling me to keep his commandments
Rom 13: 8: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10: Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
when I keep the commandments of Jesus I have fulfilled the law of Love
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it grieved the Lord
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6: And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7: And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
guess what
the Lord grieved that he had made this man
the Lord repented that he had made this man
lets read some more
12: And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13: And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Gen 7:21: And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
they all died!!!
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Sister
I appreciate the offer
but
the Lord has shown me the definition of HIS meaning of love
Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
many of the verses you have above lead back to keepin gthe commandments.
obedience, humility, faith, mercy, etc
lets read
Jesus said
Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
this is how I love and serve Jesus
Ex 20: 1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2: I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6: And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9: Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
this is how I love and serve man
12: Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13: Thou shalt not kill.
14: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15: Thou shalt not steal.
16: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Paul told me to love my brother is the keeping of the commandments
Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10: Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
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Ron 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9: For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10: Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
the commandments are conditions!!!!
Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
the commandments are conditions!!!!
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
the commandments are conditions!!!!
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Sister
what did the Lord tell you to do if you love him?
Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
what is the love of God toward us?
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
this is not hard to understand.
why did your unconditional God of Love use death for Judgement by killing the newborn babies and children in the flood and in Sodom?
as far as we man being God that another topic for another discussion
yet I will leave you with this
Jesus said
Jn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
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Peter said
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Rom 8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Rom 8:1: There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
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notice this verse talks about the perfected nature of love, not love itself. As in "I love, but in order for my love to be fully realized, X needs to happen" It isn't an absence of love, or even a condition of love, but rather a condition of fully realizing that love in our own lives.
our love for God, not God's love for man...why can't you understand this simple concept?
again, man's love for God, not God's love for man, what can't you figure out about this concept?
notice it says, that this is man's duty, not God's...so what verse can you present that shows God's love as conditional, not man's?
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The God of Conditional love requires his servants ot obey and do right always, His judgements will lead to many being killed if they continue to disobey and don't repent
Exek 9: 1: He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.
2: And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.
3: And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
4: And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
5: And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
7: And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.
8: And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?
Jesus is NOT a repecter of people
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Exek 9: 1: He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.
2: And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.
3: And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
4: And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
5: And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
7: And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.
8: And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?
Jesus is NOT a repecter of people
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
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this from the same poster who insists on judging others and their walk with Christ without evidence to support any of the claims....in fact, some of your judgment calls have been shown to be false and still you claim to keep His commandments? How can this be, isn't one of the 10 commandments to not bare false witness? Doesn't scripture tell us not to judge others? What commands are you following, certainly not love...
HE loves you because you are His creation, a creation that He loves unconditionally.
no contest, real love comes from God...this is a given. It also means we obey, but we are talking about God's love for man, not man's love for God.
so who of us has obeyed all of God's commands? doesn't scripture tell us that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God? Doesn't that mean we all broke the law of love...I think you need to be careful in your boast, for such boasting is not an act of love. I cor. 13
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who questioned anything you have responded to here? What I said is that with great love comes great grief...if love were conditional, God would have no reason, no purpose to grieve. Grieving comes from Love. All these verses do is show the unconditional love of God, not a conditional love that you want them to show. Grief and love are tied together...grieve
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it grieved the Lord
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6: And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7: And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
guess what
the Lord grieved that he had made this man
the Lord repented that he had made this man
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12: And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13: And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Gen 7:21: And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
they all died!!!
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razzelflabben
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translation, you think you have all knowledge, and therefore do not need to study the word of God, nor seek Him for who He is, for you are above Him.
I will pray for you, for this sin of pride is the original sin.
again, the rest of this is totally off topic, and talks about man's love for God, not God's love for man. When you want to start discusssing on topic, let me know, I'm ready, willing, able, and anxious...
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okay, (I want to add a "name" of endearment but am afraid it would be taken as an insult) the discussion here is not about man's love for God. In fact, the point you are making about man's love for God is not in dispute at all. It is not only agreed upon, but promoted as truth by most if not everyone on this thread. However, you were asked about God's love for man, something that you have not yet addressed. The topic is Gods' love not man's. We all pretty much agree that man's love is conditional. God's love is a totally different thing. So until or unless you are willing and ready to talk about God's love for man rather than to just repeat what we all agree on about man's love for God, you just talking circles to hear yourself talk what you think is wisdom. What I asked you for was something that dealt with the topic, the topic of God's love for man, not man's love for God.
I have no idea why you can't understand that man is not God, but for some reason you don't seem to be able to get, work on it in your mind awhile and see if you can't figure it out, then come back ready to discuss God's love for man, it is a fascinating study...and your previous post btw, showed that you didn't read or study the passages I presented.
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that isn't the question of the OP, iow's it's off topic.
certainly not obedience, can you imagine, God trying to obey man...what a mess!!!! oiy!
notice what it says, I have pointed this out several times now to you. The structure of the verse, as well as the message clearly shows that this is talking about man's love for God, not God's love for man.
what part isn't hard to understand? That we all agree that man's love for God is conditional? That we all agree that man needs to obey God's commands if he wishes to love God? Or that we all agree that you can't figure out the difference between man's love for God and God's love for man? Which of those do you think I haven't yet figured out?
ah, now the heart of the issue. Your argument is really nothing more than a theistic approach to the God is evil mentality. In order to deal with the heart of the issue, you need to understand two very distinct issues 1. God's wisdom, God's ways are not our ways, our wisdom, therefore we cannot pretend, or assume to be God or above God. and 2. judgment is part of love. Consider this...man judges others behavior all the time. A rapist feels good when he rapes, does that mean that he should not be judged for his actions? When we try to reduce love to warm fuzzy's we remove from it justice and judgment and chaos reigns, evil grows, and we find that love has failed. Love includes justice, judgment, and punishment and there is no better example of this than in the relationship of a parent to a child. Just because the crime is bigger doesn't mean the love concept is less.
Honestly, you need to get your head off what you think you know and begin to fathom the God you failed to see.
it's a topic that needs dismissed as a lie that is still smoking as the saying goes.
I love how many people try to bring this up and make it say something it does not...so apparently you do think we are God?
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