If you believe you can bind the devil.....

We have dominion over demons only to the degree that we have a working relationship with God through Yeshua. The Accuser couldn't care less about us. The Adversary only takes swipes at us to spite the Face of God. He hates us because God loves us. We are just objects of envy to the Adversary. Nothing more. So, yes, we can "bind" him but only if we have Ruach HaKodesh within us. And it is really He who does the "binding".

JohntheBlack said:

We have dominion over demons only to the degree that we have a working relationship with God through Yeshua. The Accuser couldn't care less about us. The Adversary only takes swipes at us to spite the Face of God. He hates us because God loves us. We are just objects of envy to the Adversary. Nothing more. So, yes, we can "bind" him but only if we have Ruach HaKodesh within us. And it is really He who does the "binding".

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Absolutely! The breath of God

Although I don't think we can bind the devil in the way I've heard it, I think there's a fallacy in the logic. It's like asking if I believe all can be saved then asking why some aren't.

Svt,

I'm not sure what you mean. I understand your skepticism completely. I am a bit of a skeptic myself when it comes to the way people throw the Power of God around. I don't believe that demons are subject to us apart from Yeshua. I also strongly disagree with the the theology of demon-hunting. But there are incidents where demons become confrontational to believers. I have traveled the world and seen it with my own eyes. But let's be clear (to quote Obama...to my great dismay), a disciple of Yeshua does have authority over them only because He is within us and it is His power that deals with them. As much as I would like to discredit those who run wild with claims of celestial authority, there certainly is Scriptural precedent to rout demons who confront us.

Jesus said..Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

I believe Jesus was referring that you have been given power and authority to bind the enemy in your own life and ministry. Thus the statement that nothing by any means shall hurt YOU. Satan still is the god of unbelievers. When they come to Christ that authority of ownership is over. Or when Jesus comes to bind him for all mankind.

I agree that we can bind the activities of evil spirits where they attack and oppress believers. But the devil is the god of this world and has free reign with unbelievers until the Second Coming, and then he will be bound forever.

But with Christian believers, the devil is a defeated foe and he and his demons have to obey the commands of those who are filled with the Spirit and who are resisting him in the Name of Jesus.

Of course, we have to be fully committed to the Jesus behind the Name, and not just use the Name as a formula. This was the error of the seven sons of Sceva, and they had to flee naked and wounded because the demons did not acknowledge them.

But demons have to acknowledge true believers who love the Lord Jesus with all their hearts and who are led by the Holy Spirit to minister in His Name.

It is interesting to note that when we bind an evil spirit, we do it only once. If we do it a second time, the first attempt was not of faith and therefore ineffective. But once we give the command, we stand our ground on the basis of our first and only command. The demon has to obey on the first command, even though it might try to persuade you otherwise.

I've always wondered why we'd want to bind a spirit at all?
Better to cast it out, send it away. If you bind a thing, it remains just where it was. Immobilised but still present.
I don't want those things hanging around, looking miserable, fidgetting about in their bonds, taking up space.
Cast them out, no need to bind them. Surely?

Svt4Him said:

Although I don't think we can bind the devil in the way I've heard it, I think there's a fallacy in the logic. It's like asking if I believe all can be saved then asking why some aren't.

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Agree brother, we can't bind the devil the way some of us believe.

It's probably like 'an Abstaining order to a stalker', he is not allowed to be within a range of the victim, but is free to roam anywhere else he or she wants too. And if he wants he can find another object of obsession to traumatize...

The way I understand this is you bind the strongman, demons are under a hierachy , lower demons under control of a higher one, so you bind the higher one so you can cast out the one under its control.

Also we can not cast out a demon and banish it for good, we can only send it to a dry and waterless place as Jesus did.
Even Jesus did not send them to the abyss as it was not time yet.

That's interesting - should we send them to a dry and waterless place, though Jesus once sent them, (in a herd of pigs) to a watery doom?

The Lord is my banner said:

That's interesting - should we send them to a dry and waterless place, though Jesus once sent them, (in a herd of pigs) to a watery doom?

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I look at the dry waterless desert is anywhere the Holy Spirit does not have residence. Jesus sent them into the pigs because the Holy Spirit wasn't residing in the pigs, and it was before their time of judgement. When the pigs charged over the cliff in terror, the only ones that died that day was the pigs. Those spirits had to go looking for another dry place to inhabit. Thats why Jesus said that evil spirits go searching for dry places to inhabit and if they can't find any, they will return to the desert place they came out of. I believe this is a spiritual concept, and not just a physical location such as an earthly desert. It's about having the Holy Spirit dwelling inside, or the spirit of that person remains vacant and a dry desert place for evil spirits to return.

I just watched a Patricia King video, from 1/6/10, where she bound and cast out a "hatred and murderous spirit" from the muslims in the middle east.

Anyone notice any real changes in that area since January?

Balance said:

Why is he still roaming free.

second question:

If you think you can bind a spirit - does that mean they are forever bound? Their activity ceases.

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A Christian can bind him from their or loved one's lives in a particular situation. A minute or hour or day later and it has to be done all over again.

Diligence. He roams around as a lion seeking whom he may devour.

Jesus put the devil in his place in the wilderness but the devil came back in many different ways to harass him throughout his ministry.
Who inspired the religious leaders to throw him off a cliff? The devil tried to get Jesus to jump off a cliff in order to prove that he's the Son of God by having the angels catch him so he wouldn't even hurt his toe.

The devil isn't going to be permanently bound until that time spoken of in the book of Revelation.

Why can he continually harass people? Because he got Adam's authority by deception and through it is the god of this world.
The lease is up during the tribulation. Remember in Revelation of the seals upon the scroll of final ownership of the earth that only the Messiah is worthy to open.

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Faulty said:

I just watched a Patricia King video, from 1/6/10, where she bound and cast out a "hatred and murderous spirit" from the muslims in the middle east.

Anyone notice any real changes in that area since January?

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She can say it if she wants to.. but she has no real jurisdiction because she doesn't live there.

When Jesus had to minister to someone in another area.. he went there, not just stay where he was and bind the evil spirits working there.

It takes alot to get rid of something so entrenched into a group of people since Cain, Esau, Ishmael, etc.

What they need is the hearing of the gospel and an awakening unto God to change things over there.
She could pray that God send laborers over there. And pray for their safety and effectiveness. That would work.
If she had a relative over there that she prayed for concerning their salvation .. that would work.

The Muslims are a part of the end time events. Salvation or judgment will happen to them just like every other nation eventually.

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GrowingInGrace said:

She can say it if she wants to.. but she has no real jurisdiction because she doesn't live there.

When Jesus had to minister to someone in another area.. he went there, not just stay where he was and bind the evil spirits working there.

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Well, actually he did cast out demons people in other areas, Mark 7:25-30, but I don't recall Him 'binding' as He went.

It takes alot to get rid of something so entrenched into a group of people since Cain, Esau, Ishmael, etc.

What they need is the hearing of the gospel and an awakening unto God to change things over there.
She could pray that God send laborers over there. And pray for their safety and effectiveness. That would work.
If she had a relative over there that she prayed for concerning their salvation .. that would work.

The Muslims are a part of the end time events. Salvation or judgment will happen to them just like every other nation eventually.

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You're preaching to the choir here. My question was more rhetorical in nature.

So, what are we to do with these groups and churches, binding devils from over cities states and nations?

I didn't see Jesus binding devils as he walked from place to place, even in the gentile lands where they worshipped the n gods.

I don't recall the letters of Paul mentioning he was binding the spirits over the cities where the churches reside, or he had bound the spirits ver the prisons where Paul was held while writing those letters.

In fact, I don't recall it happening at all, either in deed, or in command. It's almost like it's something completely made up to throw churches of course. Hmmm...

There's one part in the gospels that tells what Jesus was capable of, and why the legion wanted to be sent to the swine,..

Luk 8:28 And when he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the Most High God? I beseech thee, torment me not.

Mat 8:29 And behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

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What did they want instead?

To be sent to the swine instead of torment, ie hell before their time.

What did they do?

They killed those swine and left their bodies so they could continue to roam upon the earth and cause havoc with mankind.

Yes, we can bind and cast down evil spirits when we are given that measure of faith to do so, Jesus obviously was going to with that legion until they worshiped Him and begged Him not to.

That's casting demons out of a man. There's a number of examples of that occuring. What about those 'binding' devils over regions or institutions?