Is it moral for Obama to push for higher US funding of birth control in Africa?

Braunwyn · Jan 10, 2009

Autumnleaf said:
Abortion is a form of birth control. You don't need a crystal ball to figure that one out do you?

Why are you assuming that abortion is going to be promoted when all the ruckus the past ten years has been over education and condoms? Did you read an article you could link?

HollandScotts · Jan 10, 2009

Birth control is only morally questionable to people who sense of morality is so skewed and twisted that they wouldn't know real morals if they bit em in the backside.

Abortion is a form of birth control. You don't need a crystal ball to figure that one out do you?

One would think, that in a land where most of the countries are beholden to radical Christianity and Islam, abortions would be illegal.

No Swansong · Jan 10, 2009

OphidiaPhile said:
How is helping to control both a population explosion and the spread of disease stupid or questionable?

I think it is something we should have been doing long ago and I for one applaud him for it.

It's starting to scare me that you and I have agreed on two or three things now. Shudder LOL

Gishin · Jan 10, 2009

Autumnleaf said:
Its politically stupid because black Americans traditionally are against abortion, at least for black people. I work in health care in the black part of town, and have for a few years now. This is the consensus I was led to understand.

One country influencing the birth rate of another country seems wrong to me. How would you feel if Russia started paying for abortions and condoms in America? Wouldn't you question their motives?

Good thing there aren't very many black Americans in Africa. Not all black people are the same you know, especially on separate continents.

Flashlight · Jan 10, 2009

I believe it is immoral to take my money without my consent and give it to people in other countries.

No Swansong · Jan 10, 2009

Actually since we are a democratically elected constitutional republic; when your state elected the representatives that will need to approve such an expenditure you did give consent to whatever they decide. Certainly not explicitly but by proxy. Like it or not it is the Government we have. Technically the voice of the legislature is the voice of the people.

OphidiaPhile · Jan 10, 2009

Autumnleaf said:
Abortion is a form of birth control. You don't need a crystal ball to figure that one out do you?

HollandScotts · Jan 10, 2009

Actually since we are a democratically elected constitutional republic; when your state elected the representatives that will need to approve such an expenditure you did give consent to whatever they decide. Certainly not explicitly but by proxy. Like it or not it is the Government we have. Technically the voice of the legislature is the voice of the people.

By that logic, we give them consent to do anything, no matter how wrong, or unConstitutional it is.

We elect them to uphold the will of the people, do what's best for America, and uphold the Constitution. When they don't do those things, they are in violation of their jobs, and should be shot in the head for treason.

But I don't like politicians, and I think they should all be shot in the head, least all the ones we have now. They've thoroughly earned it.

No Swansong · Jan 10, 2009

HollandScotts said:
By that logic, we give them consent to do anything, no matter how wrong, or unConstitutional it is.

We elect them to uphold the will of the people, do what's best for America, and uphold the Constitution. When they don't do those things, they are in violation of their jobs, and should be shot in the head for treason.

But I don't like politicians, and I think they should all be shot in the head, least all the ones we have now. They've thoroughly earned it.

No it doesn't, first of all as a "constitutional" republic, anything they do in contradiction to the Constitution is subject to be overturned by the court system. As for anything "Wrong" that is not unconstitutional there are several options available the primary ones being impeachment, or voting them out next election. As for being shot in the head for treason just because something isn't your will doesn't mean it is not the will of the people. Why do you think that you are the majority? The fact is in this country whether we like it or not they do a fair job of representing the will of the people because if they don't the people vote someone else in. You can't please everyone nor should you try.

HollandScotts · Jan 10, 2009

No it doesn't, first of all as a "constitutional" republic, anything they do in contradiction to the Constitution is subject to be overturned by the court system.

Unless the court system rules what is clearly unConstitutional as Constitutional.

The fact is in this country whether we like it or not they do a fair job of representing the will of the people because if they don't the people vote someone else in.

They don't represent the will of the people. They do things all the time that tick the people off, while ignoring their actual duties. They do things in the dead of night, and get away with it because our media is corrupt, in the tank, or just plain stupid. Usually it's all three.

And they don't get voted out because people are stupid. We have the collective memories of a goldfish. And the media doesn't do it's job. That why the public approval rating for Congress is at, like what, 10%. 90% of Americans think they're a buncha frakups, and conversely, they have an 80% reelection rate.

And I want them to die because they're the cause of America's problems. Their corruption and stupidity is the cause of our problems. The economic collapse, the housing bubble, the energy bubble, ethanol, the 54 trillion in dept that we're going to be facing in the next 30 years, and a slew of other things, all created by them trying to fix other problems that they created in the first place. Every problem we have is an attempted solution to another problem they created. I think that's more than deserving of a bullet in the head for all of them.

No Swansong · Jan 10, 2009

I'm not going to discuss conspiracy theories with you. (corrupt media etc.) You are entitled to your opinion. If you don't like it you have options one of which is to find someplace else where the government is more to your liking. If your solution to bad government is a bullet in the head then quite honestly I hope that is the option you exercise (going somewhere more to your liking not shooting someone)

QuakerOats · Jan 11, 2009

Autumnleaf said:
I heard Obama was for this and thought it was politically very stupid, in addition to morally questionable. What do you think?

I think it's absolutely a moral, and unquestionably intelligent decision, especially given the AIDS epidemic in Africa. I believe condom use can help stem the tide.

norak · Jan 11, 2009

Africa is already a very Christian continent, so really Africans should not be having multiple sex partners. The problem of HIV and other STDs would not be as serious if people followed Christian theology and only had sex with their wives once they were married.

QuakerOats · Jan 11, 2009

norak said:
Africa is already a very Christian continent, so really Africans should not be having multiple sex partners. The problem of HIV and other STDs would not be as serious if people followed Christian theology and only had sex with their wives once they were married.

While I'll agree that not having multiple sexual partners can also help stem the epidemic, I'd imagine that even some of the folks now in monogamous relationships may have AIDS, so introducing condoms still needs to happen, imo.

Garyzenuf · Jan 11, 2009

norak said:
Africa is already a very Christian continent, so really Africans should not be having multiple sex partners. The problem of HIV and other STDs would not be as serious if people followed Christian theology and only had sex with their wives once they were married.

You sound like that Preacher who thought AIDS was Gods punishment for being Gay.

It might also have something to do with the fact that most in sub-sahara Africa are not educated about prevention, have virtually no testing set-up to see who even has the disease, are superstitious about medicines to help treat HIV/AIDS (often believing you can get aids from the medication itself). And it also doesn't help that the p. minister of South Africa doesn't even believe HIV causes AIDS. Geez. :scratch:

Just thought these might be other causes for the epidemic (outside of Gods wrath for multiple sex partners) that you may like to consider.

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b&wpac4 · Jan 11, 2009

HollandScotts said:
Unless the court system rules what is clearly unConstitutional as Constitutional.

Ok, I'll bite. Show me cases this has happened in, please?

Angel4Truth · Jan 11, 2009

Autumnleaf said:
I heard Obama was for this and thought it was politically very stupid, in addition to morally questionable. What do you think?

Yes its very immoral to use tax dollars from the US for other countries untill they start doing something about this one.

OphidiaPhile · Jan 11, 2009

Angel4Truth said:
Yes its very immoral to use tax dollars from the US for other countries untill they start doing something about this one.

Nooj · Jan 11, 2009

Garyzenuf said:
And it also doesn't help that the p. minister of South Africa doesn't even believe HIV causes AIDS. Geez.

Thabo Mbeki, the President of South Africa, was a HIV-AIDs denier, but he's since left office. The current President on the other hand, Kgalema Motlanthe accepts the scientific consensus.

KCDAD · Jan 11, 2009

norak said:
Africa is already a very Christian continent, so really Africans should not be having multiple sex partners. The problem of HIV and other STDs would not be as serious if people followed Christian theology and only had sex with their wives once they were married.

Multiple sex partners has very little to do with the spread of AIDS. If that were so, 97% of Americans would be infected.

It must be those doggone savages just don't know any better.

The real problem is overpopulation... uneducated people are having an average of 7-10 children while educated people are having 1 on the average. Since only about 5% of the world population has a college education what does that tell you about the future?

Here is the picture:
1% of the world population will own everything
4% of the world population will manage everything
95% of the world population will be slaves

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