Suffering doesn't make you a better person

rushingwind62 said:

sk8Joyful,
If you are going to quote me then please quote me as I said it
and do not jumble my words around so that you can make some point. I did say all of the above
but "Even in God's word" was not a part of the statement "There are those that are healed from their illness, but there are many who are not."

For those who would like to see my post in context and as written I am copying it and reposting it here:

How do you take everything out, in between to imply that I said something I did not say?

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Hi Rushingwind,

Normally, when people engage in conversation verbally, they often "feed back" what they understood the other person to be saying; just as I did with your comments, when I spoke to & summarized them.

So now I ask you, in response to the deceitful/mistaken ("suffering-doctrine/practice") too many christians try
to preach, to the harmful detriment of others, what soul, mind, & body successful helpful alternative were you offering?

Granted, I did one more thing; namely in my response I offered 4 positive-Reframes , did you notice??
and would also constructively enjoy commenting on.

btw, do enjoy! a Blessedly Happy & Healthy New Year
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You know here is my example,

for those who preach the suffering etc doctrine the badge of honor system, etc etc

I guess im blessed with this back and neck pain that no doctor can properly diagnose for several years, that came out of now where from no injury or source that calibrates its crippling effects on my life.

I guess I am blessed that I cannot fulfil proper dailies because of it, that alot of my dreams and job opportunities are hindered because I cannot do what others can do without a tought

I guess I am blessed by being diagnosed after a life eating healthy with IBS, chronic bloating and cramps.. where I cannot do much of physical activites at the moment because of it.

I guess I am blessed because of this fire, which is suppose to be making me better.. that so many preach of this suffering doctrine, I guess God is disciplining in me in some way that I have no idea, but suppose to guess..I guess I am blessed..

I guess I am blessed that after IBS, chronic neck and back problems , plus IBS and OCD, that I am learning from God's discipline, while not being able to play outside, and limited very much in life as in the physical aspect of daily requirements

I gues I am blessed


here is a testimony, you know what I learned from this all, torement and pain,

THAT I AM NOT SUPPOSE TO BE LIKE THIS AND SUFFER!!

if you want to be honest, all this pain has gained for me is the loss of dreams and hopes, and job opportunities.

it has made me more bitter, angry and less hopeful of anything good from God, made me more anti social and distant from God and people, because I cannot physically and mentally handle it.

but I guess I am blessed..and humbled

you know, I dont mean to be so passionate about it,

but for those out there that are hurt by Christians telling them or preaching the suffering doctrine/practice that tear the hope out of their hearts, that cripple their faith in God, yet tell it as good and true.


I am living proof that what you teach is utter crap..sorry to be offensive here.but its equally offensive to steal someones small hope away in God by telling them to wear their suffering and pain as a God used given honor system to endure..to whatever dictates God using such pain as a tool for goodness and holyness..

I do hope that those out there, who have little hope, will know that their is a good God, that actually does not want them to suffer one bit, who is caring and loving, who actually wants them well, not broken and handicapped..

I am an example of how much pain that suffering doctrine/practice can hurt someone so deep inside that it makes them run away from God, makes them cold inside not wanting God anymore, because you are affraid to open the bible only to get filled with fear of more legalism and pain coming your way..

i feel so strongly against this teaching in Christianity, that it must STOP! it does no more then turn the hearts of the broken sheep away from God..and into the hands of the real torementer and sufferer Satan. who keeps them there.because that is what Christian brother and sisters keep telling them about their suffering..as it were good or to be like a badge of honor etc.


peace

Questioning Christian said:

Something to think about.

We need to get off this trip, about God making us suffer to teach us.

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ah yes, the ancient devilish deceitful "suffering-doctrine/practice", agreed to
initially by a few christians, and still preached by far too many, to the painful suffering tetriment, of anybody else they can manage to also harm. and then they wonder: "WHY are us poor Christians hated, & persecuted"?

A better question for them to ask, would be: "How did we ever allow? ourselves to be so terribly mistaken"; and
better yet, How can we right this terrible mistake, such that more sinners would Welcome, with open arms GOD's/Jesus Christ's blessed WELLness-doctrine/practices... for soul, mind & body.

For verily, as GOD said: "The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labors are few.
Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth laborers into his harvest. Matthew 9:37-38.

Every promise in the scripture, positioned as a potential harvest, can become a reality in your life, if you are willing to harvest.

True , spiritually-well, emotionally-positive, & fully-functioning humans Actively practice, teach & guide GOD's/Jesus Christ's blessed-WELLness-doctrine/practices...

Questioning Christian said:

Suffering is only a magnifying glass.
It cannot, make a person better or make them worse.
It can only reveal what is already in them.

Something to think about.

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Well, a few people actually do get sufficiently "sick & tired, of being sick & tired"; that
(after hit by mis-fortune, or someone stole their health, or thru some mistaken beliefs of their own), they focus their intent, attention, & actions on either gaining Health, or re-gaining Health.

Tho sadly in christian-corners by and large still buying into the devil's lies,
GOD's/Jesus Christ's blessed-WELLness-doctrine/practices... for soul mind & body, are the exception.

Excellent-topic!!! you chose. And yes, do enjoy! a Blessedly Happy & Healthy New Year

HoneyComb Son, thank you so much for your brave honesty.

You are right - you, and I, and anyone else, are not meant to suffer like this.

You're also right that a lot of crap gets thrown at us because other people, (often but not always those who are not in pain) tell us it's good for our souls!

Like yourself, I have several physical conditions that have stolen my hopes and dreams, I also suffer from clinical depression much of the time, and even when it's not present, the "groove" it has cut deep into my personality after decades of adjusting to cope with it doesn't allow me to move much out of that territory to reclaim life before the next onslaught.

Yes, I *should* be able to overcome it all and be joyful, peace-filled, a little ray of sunshine to all...but I'm not, and that last thing that will ever help me get closer to that is people reminding me how pathetic I am.

If i am meant to be learning something, something went wrong, because I'm not learning, I'm not a bettr person, and my family are hurting too because of it all. Are they also being "refined" by my anguish? It makes NO sense.

sk8Joyful said:

ah yes, the ancient devilish deceitful "suffering-doctrine/practice", agreed to
initially by a few christians, and still preached by far too many, to the painful suffering tetriment, of anybody else they can manage to also harm.

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I do feel that the position of some of us on here has been grossly misunderstood, either deliberately or otherwise, by others - who then seem to take delight in mocking what they THINK we said and believe.

So whatever anyone else says, these are my own thoughts and position, and response to some of the mockers.

1. I do not believe that God made me sick, it is not his highest blessing for me, to be in pain, ill or whatever. I am ill because I am ill. It is a fallen, sinful, polluted world.

2. An illness may have its roots in a particular sin, unforgiveness, bitterness or whatever, but that is for God to reveal to the individual person. Sickness is not, generally, a punishment for sin. There would have been no need for Jesus to have died if, all along, God was going to punish us for messing up - i.e 1 sin = 1 sickness.

3. God did not plan, desire or bring about my illness, but that doesn't mean that he can't use it for his glory. For me, it's not a matter of saying; "I'm ill, I need to get rid of this quickly because the time I spend being ill is time wasted, and God will not be glorified." It's saying; "Lord, I have this illness for the moment, what are you saying to me in it? How are you going to work for good in this?"

4. God can use ANYTHING to bring him glory and further the work of his kingdom. He can USE illness to draw me closer to himself, help me learn empathy with others, give me an opportunity to talk to disabled non Christians or whatever. I don't believe he SENT it for that express purpose, though had he done so, he would have had a perfect right. God is the potter, we are the clay. Clay gets pummeled about, squeezed, maybe torn before it becomes the shape the potter wants it - and then it gets put in a very hot oven and baked. THEN, it is as the potter wants it - formed, shaped, glazed and ready to be used. God may use illness and suffering to so shape us.

5. I am not suffering for God's sake. I, and others, do not say to the world; "well I wouldn't bother following Jesus if I were you, look what he does for those who believe." But if anyone were to say "so why do you still believe when God has not healed you?" (and they have done), I'd share my Christian testimony and the Gospel. For the record, a few people have said that they are encouraged because if God can use me he can use anyone (nailing the lie that God will only use those who are fit/well/clever or whatever), and that they know that it is GOD who is with me, gives me the strength to preach and so on. Inspite of everything, God has been seen through this illness, and it has been used to speak to others aboout him; and that is the main thing.

6. You may say that as it's not God's desire that I am sick, then his desire is to heal me. If it was, he'd do it. God can and does heal, but not every Christian who prays for physical healing receives it. For example, Joni Eareckson-Tada, David Watson, John Wimber, Roy Castle etc. It seems to me that the only answer that some people have to this - and they feel they have to give some sort of answer - is to put the responsibility/blame onto the sufferer. I.E - you haven't got enough faith, you didn't positively confess, you haven't got rid of all your sin and negative emotion, you believe that it is God's will for you to suffer. And the Almighty is depicted as some helpless being who is wringing his hands in despair and saying "oh dear, I really want to help them, but they won't let me." Yeah, right.

7. This is addressed specifically to sk8joyful. I do not agree with the philosophy you seem to adhere to which is that the human body can heal itself of anything, and if it doesn't then we are blocking our healing with negative emotions, and not allowing it to take place. I do not believe that God requires us to be perfectly healthy before we can praise and worship him. It is not a sin to worship him in our illness/pain, nor to claim that he is with us in it, nor that he may wish to use it for his glory.
Good health is not the most important thing in this life; knowing God and his will is.

HoneyComb Son said:

I guess I am blessed that after IBS, chronic neck and back problems, plus OCD, chronic bloating and cramps..
where I cannot play outside, that God is disciplining in me in some way, so I am limited very much in life

Here is a testimony, you know what I learned from this all, torment and pain, THAT I AM NOT SUPPOSE TO SUFFER!!
if you want to be honest, all this pain has gained for me is the loss of dreams and hopes, and job opportunities.

it has made me more bitter, angry and less hopeful of anything good from God, made me more anti social and distant from God and people, because I cannot physically and mentally handle it.

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Yes, exactly of what GOD/Jesus Christ warned about, in
John 10:10 "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy"
But
LOOK --- at all the church-preachers, & psychiatrists, & other docs, & hospice, & Undertakers, etc. all waiting, like vultures to feed on human spoils, with a primary interest, structure & function of $managing$-misery, and if you let them, making sure you stay good & STUCK...
why?
the MORE they get you to focus on your SUFFERING, PAIN, MISERY, & AGONY, the more they $benefit$:

1. "Sorry, this is a GENETIC -problem, you can do nothing about." (can't be healed)
but
and here's the trap = "We can $MANAGE it for you$"
&
2. "Sorry, this is a LIFE-LONG disease, that's incurable" (can't be healed)
but
and here's the trap = "We can $MANAGE it for you$"
&
3. "Sorry, this is a TERMINAL illness, that's unstopable" (can't be healed)
but
and here's the trap = "We can $kill, & bury you, sooner$"

About such, GOD/Jesus Christ suggested & warned:
1 Corinthians 10:33 even as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit,
but the profit of the many, that they may be saved.
and
Matthew 16:26 For what will it profit a man, if he gains the whole world, and forfeits his life?
Or what will a man give in exchange for his life?
and
Matthew 25:30 Throw out the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

HoneyComb Son said:

for those who preach the suffering etc doctrine the badge of honor system -
you know, I dont mean to be so passionate about it,
but for those out there that are hurt by Christians telling them or preaching the suffering doctrine/practice that tear the hope out of their hearts, that cripple their faith in God, yet tell it as good and true.
I am living proof that what you teach is utter crap..sorry to be offensive here. but its equally offensive to steal someones small hope away in God, by telling them to wear their suffering and pain as a God used given honor system to endure.
I am an example of how much pain that suffering doctrine/practice can hurt someone so deep inside that it makes them run away from God, makes them cold inside not wanting God anymore, because you are afraid to open the bible, only to get filled with fear of more legalism and pain coming your way..
i feel so strongly against this teaching in Christianity, that it must STOP!
it does no more, then turn the hearts of the broken sheep away from God.. and into the hands of the real tormenter and sufferer Satan.

I do hope that those out there, who have little hope, will know that their is a good God,
that actually does not want them to suffer one bit, who is caring and loving, who actually wants them well,
not broken and handicapped..

peace

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You have that right!

To persistently distort, GOD's/Jesus Christ's blessed WELLness-doctrine/practices...for soul, mind & body,
into
misery with some no less 'badge-of-honor' preaching, is what you rightly called 'utter crap'. But be of GOOD-cheer!!

For (from your experience), you now with eyes wide open, KNOW to side-step every thief of thefts, killings & destructions;
such that you are Ready to Benefit from the best part of John 10:10,
where GOD/Jesus Christ assures you: "I came, that they may have life, and have it abundantly."
This is the wise measure:
What?? religion, dogma, principles, teachings, practice, Healing-tools, and successes are offered you?

How easily & quickly are you being helped? in your Conversion to GOD's/Jesus Christ's blessed-WELLness-doctrine/practices... for soul mind & body.

Verily, GOD's/Jesus Christ's John 10:10 "I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly." Herein
lies your greatest opportunities, Fullnesses, & eternal... life.

And yes, do enjoy! a Blessedly Happy & Healthy New Year

Strong in Him said:

True - he was also completely human.



It depends what you mean by "drifting".



We don't know how Jesus spent every second of his life, so we can't possibly say. We can imagine that it might be the case, particularly after he started his ministry, but we don't know.
Jesus was still human - or are you suggesting that even his bodily functions had meaning?

Jesus died for us; he was cruelly treated, beaten, mocked etc etc. Yes, we can take comfort from the fact that when we are mocked, abandoned, mocked for our faith or whatever that he was too. I don't think that necessarily means that everything that other people did to him meant something, nor that any blood that appeared on his face from the crown of thorns meant something.

Sorry, but I just don't see it, and the Scripture does not say it, so as I said, it can only be speculation.

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Like the Jewish they cannot see the scripture of the Old Testament and how Jesus fulfilled it. You cannot look at the feasts, the timi9ng of His birth or fdeath, or Isiah without seeing what Hios purpose and meaning was and also what the blood was for mnor is it hard to understand what Adam had in the garden before the fall and if Christ was the perfect sacrifice and stood in out p[lace for sin and all that that brought o0n then how can we say that Christ did not do enough for us or that we suffer physically for His sake? I dont think so.

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sk8Joyful said:

That sort of response mirrors, what a wise teacher once said: "Sick people will defend their diseases, &
sicknesses to death;

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I'm defending my right to be sick??? Oh, per-leese

sk8Joyful said:

and when said sufferers stinkin' thinkin', is courageously challenged, especially being offered any number of experienced, safe, painfree, easy & fast helps outa their misery, the sickest will mock you, all the while claiming that
it's you mocking them. Why? - because incapable of relating to GOD as He actually is, & the more stuck the sick become, the more the sick twist GOD into their own miserable image, and the more negative & destructive in attitude/behavior they become."

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Rubbish - plenty of people have challenged me about my attitudes, and in some cases they have been right. The posts on this board do not, generally, fall into that category.

When I say 'mocking', I mean that the words "God is with me in this illness and is teaching me and making me into his likeness", tend to get translated and requoted as "God is blessing me greatly by giving me pain and infirmity because that is the only way he can teach me." I have seen posts on here that actually say things like - let's all pray to God for sickness so we may know we are loved, or; may God bless you by giving you pain . For goodness sake! I can understand that some people may have no idea where I am coming from if they have never known chronic illness; but putting words in people's mouths is not on.

God HAS already healed me of several things and I kow he can and will heal this too.

Strong in Him, and others

I understand that and rightfully so that people missunderstand you and the like,

as we and others do, so it is true, BUT also they have a point...

as Christian brothers and sisters we are to be unified not divided, even if we have some different point of beliefs and views...LOVE is the key

however, though some may understand you and others,

the thing is..words and writing like this on the forum, can so easily be misinterepting and understood from what the person is meaning, heck my writing sucks,lol

however, when I see people writing about the suffering/practice doctrine, about how God will use it for His glory, teaching me stuff, etc etc waiting etc etc this is a blessing in disguise, this pain and suffering is not a blessing at all, a blessing is a good thing, not a twisted around good thing that is actually bad,
when I see this, I know something is wrong, and others do too, I am not only replying to Strong in Him,but others too,

the thing is, though people may say you misundestand me, there is proof in what people get of what you say, words and what you say always can have a image of whats on a persons heart, as Jesus said, what you say can reflect what you have in heart and you beleive, for me..its confusion..LOL that you can see.

however, there is a consistency I see amongst these debates, and it still stands, though it has no clear wording and i know people probably dont mean too, but when i read those people who defend, the practice of suffering and God's will, or like those who say suffering whatever God does with it for someones good. is like I know there is something wrong. I see it, I see it with eyes that hurt me and others. Its just there, in the meaning of words

it not clear, but all through these debates the message is clear, suffering practice/doctrine, alot of us on here agree with it, even if you dont want too, your words and writing show otherwise whats truly there. I think alot of us..deep down, though we may not want to see it or believe it..we all believe some bit like God wants us to suffer some bit or the such

and that is like wrong! lol

I know through my OCD, chronic pain and the like, it has taught me more to listen to Satan than God, through all this time, something in my heart is saying, I dont want you like this, if you trust me I can make you well, give you life and abundantly, so maybe that is God?? maybe it is, could it be? maybe that voice or what is teached to me about traditional suffering/practice doctrine is not of God at all, maybe that voice or desire in me, deep down that I barely hear, or notice, wanting a better life for me, without this crap of a body and pain, maybe that is the Hope of glory, maybe that is Christ?

HoneyComb Son said:

Strong in Him, and others

as Christian brothers and sisters we are to be unified not divided, LOVE is the key
as Jesus said, what you say can reflect what you have in heart and you beleive.

when i read those people who defend, the practice of suffering, like God wants us to suffer, something is wrong.
I know through my OCD, chronic pain and the like, it has taught me more to listen to Satan, - than God.

Through all this time, something in my heart is saying, I dont want you like this, if you trust me I can make you well, give you life and abundantly, so maybe that is God?? maybe it is, could it be? deep down that I barely hear, or notice, wanting a better life for me, (without this crap of a body and pain), maybe that is the Hope of glory, maybe that is Christ?

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Hi HoneyComb Son,
you know what is wrong, & what is Right for instance,
you KNOW when -
the father of lies, whispers "yeah pain, bring it ON, more, you want more... pain. Deeper..., more complex, all invasive... You've got a 100 cancerous? beliefs, thoughts, & feelings, & you think that's hell?? Here let's plant that trash, in every little crevice..in your soul, & mind, & heart - 'til you're so full of it, that you can't stand it, no more; and hope & pray to die. Yeah, now you're cookin' "<- and Satan laughs!
and
you KNOW when -
GOD the father of Truth, whispers "yes peace , bring it ON, more, I want more... peace. Deeper..., more profound, all saturated... You've got a 10 Christlike beliefs, 100 wellness emotional states-of-mind, & 1000 Healthy cells?, and you think that's heaven?? - Here let's double, triple, quadruple your peace , joy & health... in your soul , & mind, & heart 'til you're so converted, you shout it from the rooftops, in the fervent prayer & Hopefulness, of helping yet others become by/of/thru Christ SAVED, multiplying GOD-blessed Heavenly bliss, Yes! <- Jesus, w/ you allowing him to SAVE you, is jubilant right alongside of you!

why every Little-child (before their mind is corrupted/corroded by suffering nonsense) knows the difference.
And they allow their own HEALING, just fine. - and exactly
why GOD/Jesus Christ in [FONT=arial,helvetica]Matt. 18:3[/FONT] said: "become Converted as a LITTLE-child, if you would in heaven live..."

HoneyComb Son said:

I know through my OCD, chronic pain and the like, it has taught me more to listen to Satan than God, through all this time, something in my heart is saying, I dont want you like this, if you trust me I can make you well, give you life and abundantly, so maybe that is God?? maybe it is, could it be? maybe that voice or what is teached to me about traditional suffering/practice doctrine is not of God at all, maybe that voice or desire in me, deep down that I barely hear, or notice, wanting a better life for me, without this crap of a body and pain, maybe that is the Hope of glory, maybe that is Christ?

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I hear it too, and yes, I too believe that is the Lord.

When I find a peaceful moment, when all the panic, mood swings, pain and despair settle down a notch, then I hear Him.
I don't know why not the other way around - why do I have to be calm and still before I can hear? And why do I, when those storms hit my consciousness, lose all memory of the reality that He ever spoke to me before?

But at least I do hear, and then I remember - our loving Creator, Father and Redeemer always intended and still desires for us to be healthy and out of pain and able to function fully. He didn't need my input to form me in my mother's womb, so I must trust that all my miserable failure isn't going to stop him re-forming me.

Keep holding on to that true voice, and let's all at least try to remind each other when we forget. God is good, He makes good creatures, He sustains, redeems, heals, He does all good things and only good things.
He turns around the bad, raises up good out of it, sets things right, and somehow, even though we don't always see the fruit, that seed is in us, so remind me to water it, please.

Hoping, hoping, hoping.

sk8Joyful said:

Hi HoneyComb Son,
you know what is wrong, & what is Right for instance,
you KNOW when -
the father of lies, whispers "yeah pain, bring it ON, more, you want more... pain. Deeper..., more complex, all invasive... You've got a 100 cancerous? beliefs, thoughts, & feelings, & you think that's hell?? Here let's plant that trash, in every little crevice..in your soul, & mind, & heart - 'til you're so full of it, that you can't stand it, no more; and hope & pray to die. Yeah, now you're cookin' "<- and Satan laughs!
and
you KNOW when -
GOD the father of Truth, whispers "yes peace , bring it ON, more, I want more... peace. Deeper..., more profound, all saturated... You've got a 10 Christlike beliefs, 100 wellness emotional states-of-mind, & 1000 Healthy cells?, and you think that's heaven?? - Here let's double, triple, quadruple your peace , joy & health... in your soul , & mind, & heart 'til you're so converted, you shout it from the rooftops, in the fervent prayer & Hopefulness, of helping yet others become by/of/thru Christ SAVED, multiplying GOD-blessed Heavenly bliss, Yes! <- Jesus, w/ you allowing him to SAVE you, is jubilant right alongside of you!

why every Little-child (before their mind is corrupted/corroded by suffering nonsense) knows the difference.
And they allow their own HEALING, just fine. - and exactly
why GOD/Jesus Christ in [FONT=arial,helvetica]Matt. 18:3[/FONT] said: "become Converted as a LITTLE-child, if you would in heaven live..."

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Sorry, but I have absolutely no idea what you are saying here.

And why do you constantly talk about us allowing our healing? In the thread on the GT board you more or less said that our bodies contain everything within them to heal themselves. Is this what you mean - that we shouldn't worry with doctors, treatments and whatever and just let them heal themselves? In that case, why do you then say that our physical healing has already been taken care of by Jesus' death? If our wonderful bodies are able to heal themselves, then that is nothing to do with Jesus' death on the cross. It sounds more like some humanistic "all praise to the body for being able to heal itself" teaching. I'm not saying you mean it like that, it's just what it sounds like. There are times when the body cannot heal itself and only God can.

i give up here

The Lord is my banner said:

I hear it too, and yes, I too believe that is the Lord.

When I find a peaceful moment, when all the panic, mood swings, pain and despair settle down a notch, then I hear Him.
I don't know why not the other way around - why do I have to be calm and still before I can hear? And why do I, when those storms hit my consciousness, lose all memory of the reality that He ever spoke to me before?

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Yes, it iS hard to hear God, or even want to hear him, when we are in pain, ill, depressed or whatever. That's puzzling because it's at those times that I need his presence more than ever. But I've just remembered the "footprints" poem - you know, about the man who only saw one set of footprints at the most difficult times of his life. I believe that God carries us too - maybe puts us on his shoulders. If you are on someone's shoulders, or back, it's not that easy to see their face.

The Lord is my banner said:

Keep holding on to that true voice, and let's all at least try to remind each other when we forget. God is good, He makes good creatures, He sustains, redeems, heals, He does all good things and only good things.
He turns around the bad, raises up good out of it, sets things right, and somehow, even though we don't always see the fruit, that seed is in us, so remind me to water it, please.

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God is good. Even when I'm in pain and don't understand him, he's still good.

Strong in Him said:

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God is good. Even when I'm in pain and don't understand him, he's still good.

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You are right. If God is only “good” when my circumstances are good (i.r., ehrn I am in good health and my bank account is in the black), then goodness is not who is; it is what He does, from time to time. But God isd good no matter what is happening to me and He is still good even when my world seems to be falling apart and I can trust Him in the bad times as well as the “good” ones.
~Benny Dixon

Jimbeaux said:

You are right.
God is good no matter what is happening to me and He is still good
even when my world seems to be falling apart and I can trust Him in the bad times as well as the “good” ones.

Though the cherry trees don't blossom
and the strawberries don't ripen,
Though the apples are worm-eaten
and the wheat fields stunted,
Though the sheep pens are sheepless
and the cattle barns empty,
I'm singing joyful praise to God.
I'm turning cartwheels of joy to my Savior God.
Counting on God's Rule to prevail,
I take heart and gain strength.
I run like a deer.
I feel like I'm king of the mountain! (Habakkuk 3.17-18)
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~Benny Dixon

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True; & Thank Goodness, for GOD's unconditional, & continuous, forever Goodness. What a Blessing!

Strong in Him said:

If you are on someone's shoulders, or back, it's not that easy to see their face.

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Maybe that's it.

Strong in Him said:

God is good. Even when I'm in pain and don't understand him, he's still good.

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The suffering we ought to do is to put the flesh to death. We are to walk in the spirit and not after the flesh. That kind of suffering will make us better, mortifying the deeds of the flesh.
Like not returning an insult when one offends us, but walking in love.
Not gratifying the flesh in eating whatever the appetite dictates.
Not focusing on self.
Not trying to impress others.

The list goes on.