Frequently Asked Questions About Catholicisim

To Badfish:

Once again: There has been a person sitting in "the chair of Peter" since Peter. An unbroken line of successors from Peter exists all the way to the present day John Paul II.

I'm not sure when the title of "Pope" was given. It's from the Italian word for "Father." The Pope is actually the Bishop of Rome. And ever since PETER first went to Rome, that is where the "chair of Peter" has been.


Peace,
~VOW

Ok, 11th century then huh?

Thanks VOW and Jason.

Have a good night you 2.

Eleventh Century? Where did you get ELEVENTH Century?

Huh?


~VOW

Originally posted by VOW
To Badfish:

Once again: There has been a person sitting in "the chair of Peter" since Peter. An unbroken line of successors from Peter exists all the way to the present day John Paul II.

I'm not sure when the title of "Pope" was given. It's from the Italian word for "Father." The Pope is actually the Bishop of Rome. And ever since PETER first went to Rome, that is where the "chair of Peter" has been.


Peace,
~VOW

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OK, I'll let that be for tonight. But I do have other questions on how Peter can be called Catholic, before the Catholic name and Catholic doctrine was established. The line is easy to see, but I can also see where Catholic's could have asumed this heirarchy in the 11th century.

I am not saying it's wrong, but I can't make a concrete connection. I don't think anyone can.

But I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Badfish
Yes, I knew about the trinity. I was raised Catholic. But the NT was in publication before the name "Catholic" was used.

I believe Catholics assumed the name and assumed the alleged tradition from the past and not at the time of the writing of the NT.

When was the 1st Pope considered a Pope? The Church did not actually recognize this until the 15th century. AFAIK

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Badfish,

Check out the links

In anycase, we see the first pope (from the word papa, which means father) in Matt 16:17-19.  Peter was given the keys of the kingdom.

Now here's a little theology: 

Jesus gave peter the keys of the kingdom.  This is a reference to authority.  Now Jesus is the king in the line of david, so he is a davidic king (Ps 89:35-37; Isa 9:6-7; Acts 2:25,30; Luke 1:32-33,69-73).  This is important background for what I'm about to explain:

1)  Solomon's coronation upon David's Throne in 1 Kings 1:17,28-48 and Christ's coronation upon David's Throne in Matthew 21:1-17/Mark 11:1-11/Luke 19:28-38/John 12:1-16 are parallel by design!! (well almost)

2)  In the Davidic kingdom, Eliakim was appointed as a prime minister and so he was given authority (Is 22:21) as well as the keys of the kingdom (Is 22:22).  Eliakim was also to be called a, "father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem" (Is 22:21).  Likewise, St Peter is given the keys of the kingdom (Matt 16:19) and now we see that the Pope is called 'Father' =)

So Isaiah 22 is pretty much a foreshadowing of Matt 16:17-19 (if you want to look at it that way)

Does any of this make sense?

-Jason

Sure I guess.

But you first linked me here http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=492823#post492823 In which I glanced at 11 th century.

I see where you 2 are coming from, and I respectfully bid you goodnight and a big thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

Goodnight.

One more thing:  In Isaiah 22, we see Shebna being stripped of his authority and Eliakim taking over his spot.  This is succession

Christ's church is said to last forever (Eph 3:21), which means succession would continue forever

God bless!

-Jason

Originally posted by Badfish
Sure I guess.

But you first linked me here http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=492823#post492823 In which I glanced at 11 th century.

I see where you 2 are coming from, and I respectfully bid you goodnight and a big thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.

Goodnight.

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May God bless your sleep =)

One last thing:  in the 11th Century, the Orthodox split from the Catholic church.  That's what Wolseley was probably referring to

God bless!

-Jason

Ok, goodnight pal.

Thanks again, and bless you as well. And VOW.

To Badfish:

Don't get hung up over titles or names. "Catholic" means "Universal." Remember, until people starting having petty arguments, there was only ONE Christian Church. And that can be traced back to Peter. The idea of calling the Catholic Church by a particular NAME wasn't even necessary until after Luther and Henry VIII made their breaks official.

The office of Bishop IS mentioned in the New Testament. And the Pope is the Bishop of Rome. It just so happens that the Bishop of Rome is also the leader of the entire Catholic Church. He's the "Father" of our earthly family, hence the title of "Papa," or "Pope."

The continuity is there.



Peace be with you,
~VOW