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I would like to know how many atheists and darwinian evolutionists the National Socialists had a problem with? As a comparison that is.

At least one. Vasally Kokorin was one of those with Bonhoeffer near the end and likely slated for death also. He got a bit luckier as the final order did not arrive for him.

And it seems poor Kokorin is hated by all save Bonhoeffer and the other prisoners. Christians seem to want to write him out of history.
 
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Free thinker from start to finish

BB, dear chap. freethinker, and free thinker. Notice the space?

Freethinker is a neologism of the atheist, skeptic, humanist crowd. Thus the lock-step company they keep. Bobbleheadism would be the neologism I would apply to describe the reactions of stimuli to that homogenized group. Free thinking, led me out of that group and into belief in Christ Jesus.

Sorry I am not the lovey-dovey beat-up doll you expect of Christians 'round here. I'm working on my "love your enemy" thing. I've always had a problem in the cowering to bullies department. I just can't do it.

See free thinking.
 
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BB, dear chap. freethinker, and free thinker. Notice the space?

Freethinker is a neologism of the atheist, skeptic, humanist crowd. Thus the lock-step company they keep. Bobbleheadism would be the neologism I would apply to describe the reactions of stimuli to that homogenized group. Free thinking, led me out of that group and into belief in Christ Jesus.

Sorry I am not the lovey-dovey beat-up doll you expect of Christians 'round here. I'm working on my "love your enemy" thing. I've always had a problem in the cowering to bullies department. I just can't do it.

See free thinking.

So, you've taken a word, redefined it to suit yourself and we should just accept it, right? Because we're all just sheeple who'll swallow what we're told.

But yet it's you, after 159 pages of this thread, who has still to work out that there is nobody here who hates Christians. There are plenty of Christians on this thread, how many of them have recieved any animosity? Even against yourself I'm not seeing any hatred. Anger, frustration and disbelief at your judgemental attitude, your bigotry and your word redefining maybe, but not hatred. Nobody hates Christians, just the ideas that some people stand for.
 
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So, you've taken a word, redefined it to suit yourself and we should just accept it, right?

The words themselves stand as different. Look them up. As usual, I just use english words the way they are written. I did not redefine anything. Neologism is for the rather marxist/leftist side of the education system and "change" we see happening and that has happened all around. I'm a conservative, because I value truth and reality. Things change for the worse sometimes, as in the society created by liberalism, and I have shown that I enjoy watching that and hearing that it is not. You can't repeat mistakes if you know what they are, unless you are something I do not want to talk about here and now.

So, you've taken a word, redefined it to suit yourself and we should just accept it, right?

Ever heard the word "Gay?" Or "Lesbian?" We conservatives have to live in your world of neologism or get charged with a hate crime or possessing a phobia. How come?

Because we're all just sheeple who'll swallow what we're told.

That is how I see much of the leftist/liberal/progressive worldview. Absolutely. No one can deny that who has interacted with me more then a few times. Yes, I admit what you claim. Though I use the word: bobblehead. Or maybe lemming. Same concept. All rote all the time, is pretty much my position about "the left."

I'm allowed that in a free society am I not? Or did I miss a new law being passed?

Typical of the education system and what it produces for the most part is this dumbing down and liberalizing of society. I live and work in the real world. I talk with and to a lot of people in the Church and outside of it. Bottom line is, that this is really not a game for me in real life. Here on these boards, I do go for sport often, but that is only to ferret out the true nature of people.

In plain words, YES, Christians are hated and intensely so, its just that the side that claims to love tolerance and diversity really only demands homogenization. As in: freethinker, atheist, skeptic, humanist, progressive, liberal. They are in unison so often, why say they are actually different things? Come up with a neologism for all of them to fit together as they do.

But yet it's you, after 159 pages of this thread, who has still to work out that there is nobody here who hates Christians.

That is patently wrong. I asked a question and people engaged in discussion about it. I am only a target often as I disagree with the non and the anti's and expose them for what they are and do. In some cases anti and non Christians don't hate Christians . . . but, its the Christians that agree with them on just about everything that they don't hate. You get a Christian that actually believes in the Bible unaltered and you see hatred like a fire on paper. You can almost see the veins popping out of their necks as they write to destroy the conservative position. It's like debating Keith Olberman. Again, all the ducks in a row.

There are plenty of Christians on this thread, how many of them have recieved any animosity?

Which "kind" of "Christian?"

The liberal and progressive ones seem quite loved by the non and anti's around here.

There's a parable in that. Or actually several.

Why? Because they are not converting these non's and anti's and seem to be celebrating their apostasy and anti-Christian vitriol and attack on Bible-believing Christians. Which side is actually helping the non's and anti's with their membership numbers growing? Don't look at me, I'm not here promoting or proselytizing anyone. I just defend the Apostolic witness and I challenge the usual suspects attacking Christians. Uh, Bible-believing Christians.

Even against yourself I'm not seeing any hatred.

Oh it's hatred. Who you kidding? Just because they recoil from being accused of violating their holy tolerance and diversity mantra, doesn't mean they do not hate intensely. I just bring it out in the open. It's rather simple. You cannot hide the teeth possessed by an Armadillo just because they coil up into a ball when threatened. They also have sharp claws too.

I get reported time and again by people that use far more intense insults towards me than I do them. I am accused of presenting nonsense and yet my message is obviously obvious. When it is said and done, dissent of humanist/progressive ideology must be silenced.

Anger, frustration and disbelief at your judgemental attitude, your bigotry and your word redefining maybe, but not hatred.

I'm not an idiot no matter the rumors and charges laid on my head. Their anger, frustration and disbelief . . . if you watch . . . becomes the vitriol that is harbored against any Christian that dares not submit to progressive humanism and this reengineering of society that has been waged since Dewey signed the Humanist Manifesto.

It is not my fault that leftists deny their own history, and the manipulation they have been subjected to to invoke such knee-jerk hysterical emotionalism when their worldview is challenged and opposed.

Psychotropic medications and STD's, abortions and the commonality of violence in our youth culture, is not the fault of conservative values. They can be traced and fault can be found. But notice that "fault" and "guilt" are words that evoke reaction from certain kinds of people and not in others.

I think the current Obama campaign is a great place to see this raw emotional conditioning. If you read what Marxism is, and then listen to and watch what Obama is doing and saying, you hear and see a Marxist ideology being presented. Of coursr that is change pure and simple, and you cannot fault the guy for being straiforward there. BUT, when challenged on that, you get hysteria and vitriol that Marxism has nothing to do with his redistribution of wealth and his views on society and religion, when in fact it does.

This is just a debate here at this website and in this thread. But still honesty and reality is present too. Why deny it?

Nobody hates Christians, just the ideas that some people stand for.

And that is why I just wrote what I did. Ideas brought to the world BY the Apostles of Jesus Christ are opposed by many, many, many kinds of people.

I'm not one of them.

We'll see how this goes.
 
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Nice spin. That is not what I wrote:

I have repeated written that you leftists are not going to persecute we Christians violently. I focus on the sex part because that is what: Gay, Lesbian and Bi-sexual proclaims. Is not saying "Hi, I'm Steve, I am in a great mood today," when Steve says "I am Gay."

Gay and Lesbian, does not mean the way someone throws darts. Maybe "where" they throw darts, but that only proves my point.

C'mon now. We're all adults here.​

OK, I'm stumped. I read what you wrote again, and I tried to think of any sane way to interpret it as anything other than an implication that calling you on the lie that homosexuality is all about the sex act was an instance of "leftists persecuting Christians violently". What did you actually mean by placing the sentence about violent persecution next to the stuff about gay=sex, then? You see, I actually want to address the points of my interlocutors, so if I've misunderstood what you meant to imply, please enlighten me so I can shoot down what you actually meant to say.

Harrassment, denigration and discrimination are less violent forms of persecution that the Bible-believing Christian faces everyday at work, in public, at school and on messages boards.

I'm sure that that is the case for some Christians. I wasn't, however, talking about "less violent" forms of persecution, I was addressing what you wrote about (supposedly actual) violent persecution.

I point out that neologism is employed by the liberal-progessive-humanist to alter reality. I stick to that message. The Biblical view would call this false teachings designed to lead the flock astray. I have never desired to ask you lefties to change. Not once. I just present the the Apostolic/Gospel in an unaltered position. I would say that I am the embodument of tolerance and diversity. "you guys" can do what you wilteth, but when it comes to going after Christians that believe in the Bible, I go out "you guys" with the same tools you use. I rather enjoy your hysteria when you come up against someone you cannot cow.

You don't want people to change? Really? Then why do you seem so insistent that people accept your idiotic notion that homosexuality is all about the sex act? I have no problem whatsoever with you thinking that people who engage in whatever activities your favourite book denounces are evil. I just want to point out the illogicality of your position on what makes someone gay - it's not the sexual act. You have your cause and consequence mixed up.

You build the starwman as you guys typically do and then I have to pitch to him. How have we arrived at the place where only the pro-homosexual groups get to decide all morality issues?

The only group claiming to be the sole arbiter of morality issues is the conservative religious lobby. Everyone else simply wants to be allowed to practice their own moral values providing they don't harm others, whereas the religious right want to impose their morality on others - to the extent of falsely claiming that allowing someone to live by their own moral code is tantamount to "endorsing" or "encouraging" it even when one can and does speak out to the contrary.

Using this logic, anyone that thinks about doing something wrong, actually is the wrongdoer in his mind but that he didn't commit the acts.

You're quite right, of course, which is why I don't use this logic. You do. As I said, you're more than welcome to curse everyone who engages in gay sexual activities. All you need to see is that it is possible to be gay without engaging in gay sex, and that it's being gay that can lead to the sexual act, not the other way round.

It's rather stupid really. Gay and Lesbian are actions. And Bi-sexuality leaves no doubt at all.

They're orientations. They regulate with whom you want to have sex. The orientation is previous to the act.

Using your strawman as the refreree of a game that you invented.

What strawman? You claim being gay is all about the sexual act. You even go so far as to say it's what "Gay, Lesbian and Bi-sexual proclaims". What is it about your claim that I'm misrepresenting in order to argue against it?

How fascinating to observe. And, it is you guys, that claim to be the free thinkers.

I just can jettison logic and reason that easy. I stick with cause and effect as the guide.

You jettisoned logic and reason long ago. Sexual orientation is the cause, sexual acts are the (not inevitable) effect.

Oh, and to return to the topic, I for one don't hate you. I dislike the effects of your vitriol on others, but I don't even dislike you. I pity you, and genuinely hope (probably in vain) that you'll come to see the world more rationally. No, not that you agree with me on anything, merely that you actually exercise some of the free thought of which you claim to be a paragon.
 
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OK, I'm stumped.

That's easy I'm sure.

I read what you wrote again, and I tried to think of any sane way to interpret it as anything other than an implication that calling you on the lie that homosexuality is all about the sex act was an instance of "leftists persecuting Christians violently".

GLBT activism is 100% about the sex act. It's not about thoughts. It's about actions. I have written time and again, that the persecution that Christians face from leftist is not vioelnt at this stage in history. But teaching the chilren of otthers to promote and celebrate homosexuality is definately a form of persecution of Christians. 100%. You get our kids by force of legislation and you get to indoctrinate them into gay is OK. That's simply a fact.

What did you actually mean by placing the sentence about violent persecution next to the stuff about gay=sex, then?

Dissent is shouted down now, when we Christians statrt the lawsuit process against gay activism, things will heat up. I think the threatening nature of Gavin Newsome is indication enough. "It's going to happen whther you like it or not." The malevolence in that voice is apparent.

You see, I actually want to address the points of my interlocutors, so if I've misunderstood what you meant to imply, please enlighten me so I can shoot down what you actually meant to say.

Interlocutors? You make that word sound so impressive when all it means is you talking about things you have opinions about.

You couldn't shoot down my positions with a gatling gun. Only the true idiots here don't understand what I mean. And I have yet to interact with many idiots here. Evil is usually practiced by intelligent people.

Gay activism is a threat and is threatening to the Christian Church.

Now interlocutor to your hearts content.

I'm sure that that is the case for some Christians. I wasn't, however, talking about "less violent" forms of persecution, I was addressing what you wrote about (supposedly actual) violent persecution.

Persecution of Christians is well-documented. www.persecution.org for starters.

You don't want people to change? Really? Then why do you seem so insistent that people accept your idiotic notion that homosexuality is all about the sex act?

I am not trying to convert people that engage in homosexuality. I am just trying to expose them for what they are and what they endeavor to do to the Church. THAT is what a Christian should do. Read Jude. It'll take about two-miuntes. This plague has been around since the inception of the Church. Obviously.

I have no problem whatsoever with you thinking that people who engage in whatever activities your favourite book denounces are evil.

You couldn't persuade me otherwise. I can assure you of that.

I just want to point out the illogicality of your position on what makes someone gay - it's not the sexual act. You have your cause and consequence mixed up.

You are not a bank robber until you rob a bank. You're not into inappropriate content until you look at inappropriate content. End of logic lesson.

You, are going to shoot me down? (Debate speaking. I'm not accusing of anything violent.)

The only group claiming to be the sole arbiter of morality issues is the conservative religious lobby.

It is that what you lefties are calling Christians these days? The Romans called us atheists for not accepting their worldviews way back in the beginning of the Church. Funny huh? But seriously, you're so off, I'm thinking you have never heard or read a thing in yoru life said or written by a liberal or progressive. THEY demand that theirs is the ONLY truth and reality. Period. Watch the way these people rant and rave here.

Everyone else simply wants to be allowed to practice their own moral values providing they don't harm others,

So, why am I screamed at when I say that lefties desire "do as thou wilt, though harm none," is really their mantra? You as has many others continue to prove me right on that.


. . . whereas the religious right want to impose their morality on others - to the extent of falsely claiming that allowing someone to live by their own moral code is tantamount to "endorsing" or "encouraging" it even when one can and does speak out to the contrary.

If a person supports same-gender unions, "The Left" takes that as a complete endorsement of every other disgusting lascivioos licentious thing the peddle, hook, line and sinker. You know you are interacting with a person that goes out into the real world don't you? I've been a Californian for most of my life.

You're quite right, of course, which is why I don't use this logic. You do. As I said, you're more than welcome to curse everyone who engages in gay sexual activities. All you need to see is that it is possible to be gay without engaging in gay sex, and that it's being gay that can lead to the sexual act, not the other way round.

Whatever. If you want any of your angles forced on children in public schools or in the Church, no that you are never going to be unopposed. Ever. Christians will never be rid of in this country, because we pay taxes and we have children. two of the several things that make leftists drool with anticipation of receiving. You do realie that taxes and children drive the public school system don't you?

They're orientations. They regulate with whom you want to have sex. The orientation is previous to the act.

Cause and effect? Gay sex is to be presented for what it is and by who brings it. Plain and simple.

What strawman? You claim being gay is all about the sexual act. You even go so far as to say it's what "Gay, Lesbian and Bi-sexual proclaims". What is it about your claim that I'm misrepresenting in order to argue against it?

If a firman comes to my house, I do not know how he likes his sex, until he says "I'm Gay," or "I'm Bi-Sexual." If he says he's a Lesbian, than I'm looking at a women dressed as a man. Or, a man that thinks he's a woman that thinks he is homosexual. It's ALL about the sex act. Why try to hide that? Serioulsy? You can't just be "proud" of the act? Is that it?

You jettisoned logic and reason long ago. Sexual orientation is the cause, sexual acts are the (not inevitable) effect.

Gay sex is gay sex. I never jettison logic. You can't tolerate it used against youy to show you neologism for what it is. Deception to mask seduction. Recruitment is recruitment no matter what word you use for it.

Oh, and to return to the topic, I for one don't hate you.

I don't care either way. I really don't. This is ONLY a debate in cyberspace. They hysteria always goes to shore up my positions.

I dislike the effects of your vitriol on others, but I don't even dislike you. I pity you, and genuinely hope (probably in vain) that you'll come to see the world more rationally.

Rationally would mean using science and logic accurately. Gay sex is gay sex. Why get emotional and cloud reality and logic. Remember my lesson up above? My effects on others is their responsibility not mine.

No, not that you agree with me on anything, merely that you actually exercise some of the free thought of which you claim to be a paragon.

I've just proved it yet again in this post.

Why can't you gays be as honest as Christians and just speak about the nature of your conversion processes and support gathering operations without all the cunning neologisms? Your Humanism cannot be hidden really. So why try?
 
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GLBT activism is 100% about the sex act.

That is a lie.

It's not about thoughts. It's about actions. I have written time and again, that the persecution that Christians face from leftist is not vioelnt at this stage in history. But teaching the chilren of otthers to promote and celebrate homosexuality is definately a form of persecution of Christians. 100%.

Not only are you uber paranoid, but you have one of the worst persecution complexes I've ever seen.

You get our kids by force of legislation and you get to indoctrinate them into gay is OK. That's simply a fact.

Gay IS ok.
 
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That is a lie.

We both know that it is not. All things gay activism lead to the same place. Neologisms or no neologisms.

Not only are you uber paranoid, but you have one of the worst persecution complexes I've ever seen.

Reached into you gay debate tactics book have ye? I have written over and over that "you gays" are not going to persecute we Christians in violent ways. I just deabte what it is you are doing and what you are aiming for. And why. Nothing paranoid about showing things in the light of reality.

Gay IS ok.

You have "queer atheist" under your nickname I see. What else would we expect from a person with your worldview.
 
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Here's one.

Look, Poly. All kidding aside, all vitriol, all kidding, all poking fun aside here - adult to adult - No one is going to pursuade your kid into being gay, man. The kid is either going to be gay, or not.. well, maybe bisexual, but that's not the point. The kid is going to be who the kid is, no matter what. Case in point - me. I was raised staunch souther baptist in a town that oozed heterosexuality. Yet, I turned out gay. No media, liberals, leftists - none of those made me gay. I just am. Just like your kid will be just who he/she is.
 
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Who here thinks that their own children are at risk of being persuaded by gay activism in schools? Not other people's children; your own children.

That would be a bit of a miracle in my case. (No Children).

But I could not see that happening with my neices or nephews. Course it is a bit late for them as all are college age now.

Honestly I'm beginning to think some who seem to be afraid of their children 'turning gay' may actually fear something a little bit different. Not becoming gay, but coming out of the closet.
 
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Look, Poly. All kidding aside, all vitriol, all kidding, all poking fun aside here - adult to adult - No one is going to pursuade your kid into being gay, man.

Well I would have believed you before the Gay Agenda took on the malevolent "Q" for "Questioning youth."

The goal is simple and declared finally. Ancient Greece returns. I'm all about just exposing the truth.

The kid is either going to be gay, or not.. well, maybe bisexual, but that's not the point.

yes it is. That is your opinion based on your own views. I and millions and millions of other people do not buy your gay ideology at all. History is replete with the spread of homosexuality from expert to initiate.

The kid is going to be who the kid is, no matter what.

That is a declaration of war to many, many, many people, as your side wants to have exclusive rights to indoctrination methods. Adult to adult, we know what I'm talking about. Why do you think what's going on in California is going on?

Case in point - me. I was raised staunch souther baptist in a town that oozed heterosexuality. Yet, I turned out gay. No media, liberals, leftists - none of those made me gay. I just am. Just like your kid will be just who he/she is.

Yeah, yeah, your story has been heard before. There are millions that escape the feelings unscathed and uninitiated. Live your life they way you want to and allow others to live theirs free from your ideologial efforts to get acceptance of what you have chosen. Until you GLBT's allow dissent and opposition to have the rights to resist your presenting gay sex as something to grasp, we will allows have stife between us. What, we're going on 5000-years right?

I'm sticking with good role models make sound people.
 
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Who here thinks that their own children are at risk of being persuaded by gay activism in schools? Not other people's children; your own children.

"Hello, my names Gremlins, and since the repeal of Section 28 all I've been able to think about is how wonderful gay sex is."


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Live your life they way you want to and allow others to live theirs free from your ideologial efforts to get acceptance of what you have chosen.

Advice you could well benefit from Polycarp_fan.
 
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Well I would have believed you before the Gay Agenda took on the malevolent "Q" for "Questioning youth."

The goal is simple and declared finally. Ancient Greece returns. I'm all about just exposing the truth.



yes it is. That is your opinion based on your own views. I and millions and millions of other people do not buy your gay ideology at all. History is replete with the spread of homosexuality from expert to initiate.



That is a declaration of war to many, many, many people, as your side wants to have exclusive rights to indoctrination methods. Adult to adult, we know what I'm talking about. Why do you think what's going on in California is going on?



Yeah, yeah, your story has been heard before. There are millions that escape the feelings unscathed and uninitiated. Live your life they way you want to and allow others to live theirs free from your ideologial efforts to get acceptance of what you have chosen. Until you GLBT's allow dissent and opposition to have the rights to resist your presenting gay sex as something to grasp, we will allows have stife between us. What, we're going on 5000-years right?

I'm sticking with good role models make sound people.

You know, I was going to respond to this but I just realised something: Youve been told differently repeatedly, and you are steadfast in your untruths. So I will not waste my time with a response to this post because no matter what I say, you will not believe me. I even believe that if god himself were to come down from his heavenly perch and tell you otherwise, you still wouldn't listen. So I will leave you to your paranoia, your schizophrenia, and your delusions.
 
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