Learning from Ancient Israel

When God renamed and annointed Jacob as Israel and stated that his people would be a chosen nation, our omniscient Creator did not do this lightly. He selected a special nation, as arbiters of his moral law. He gave them a ceremmonial law to point people to the soon coming king Jesus, who would be also of their lineage. He united himself with them through a special covenant and also instituted civil laws of cleanliness and behaviour as an example for those nations around them, some of them even punishable by death, to show that not only was he a God of mercy and love, but also a god of righteousness (see Uzzah!!)

Israel as a nation messed up. Big time. Even with warnings from Daniel, Amos, Isaiah, Ezekiel and a whole host of other prophets which make up the bulk of the Old Testament, they still even betrayed Jesus. But God still had a work for his chosen people, and he still used the apostles and those who worked with them to spread the gospel to both Jew and Gentile. Remarkably they were all sons of Israel as well.

To add finality to this, God used his final canonical prophet John to remind Israel and the Gentiles that his promise was complete, and  that the inhabitants of the new Jersualem would be entering a city with the names of the apostles and the tribes of Israel. Even the city is called Jerusalem. City of Peace.

With this in mind, why does modern Christendom go out on a limb to discard everything that God instructed the old Israel? Why with the new Covenant are the principles of the old covenant somehow all done away with ? Did God not give his chosen nation laws on diet, behaviour, a moral code, prophets, etc all for a reason ? Should we not be using the instructions given to ancient Israel, outside of the corruption and burdensome nature given it by their rabbinical leaders, as principles for our own lives in harmony with the spiritual law God has placed in our heart?

After all through the divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit is the Bible not a book authored by those from that chosen nation?

Thoughts???

Agape  :grin:
 
This is how I see it and don't mean to offend anyone.
I think people are affraid of the OT. It speaks of a God that can slaughter whole communities and most of us don't know how to take it when we know our God is Love, patience, kindness and gives out of His abundance etc.
What alot of us don't see is that before Jesus dethroned Satan that Satan was a god of this world. In the OT there is alot of talk about God but not all of it was about our God.
When god told Abraham to scrafice his son...it was the god of this world.
Abraham passed the test by hearing God and not killing him.
When Job said that the Lord giveth and the Lord take away, he was speaking of the God of this world simply because only Satan is the destroyer, murderer, liar.
The Bible is a record, it states facts that were said yet not all facts are true.
Discerning the OT is hard, we must remember that although we know One God, there once was another..
We are told to hold fast that which is true...going through the OT we must apply only that which is good and protrays our God.
May He be with us all :)
 
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Yes TSP, I agree, the thing that most forget, although I have learned it was ( glossed over) the Yeshua, the God of the new testament is the same God of the old Testament. He was just a living example of the Word.
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Something else Wonder you said:
I think people are affraid of the OT. It speaks of a God that can slaughter whole communities and most of us don't know how to take it when we know our God is Love, patience, kindness and gives out of His abundance etc.

God was perfectly righteious in that, if you understand the context of it ( the flood) (the inhabitants of Caanan) ( Sodom and Gommorah) etc. then you would have no problem reconciling that "I and the Father are one".
 
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I knew many would worry about what I had to say and is why I really didn't want to say it...People need to see that the Bible needs discerned...if the Bible was nothing but the Most High speaking, then what is there to discern? He ask us to split the Scriptures...to determine which God we will serve. I see that there is One God...One Lord...Satan seems to always pawn himself off as the "Lord your God". Our Lord seems to just say "your Lord", or "the Lord" not putting Himself as God. And then the real God always identifies Himself as Creator, Most High etc. While reading Scripture one is wise to discern. There is but one God, one Lord, there is no Lord your God. For Lord is not God. Adam lost everything to satan. Satan became god of this world...Jesus dethroned him...now Jesus is our Lord...and God is the one who sustains all life, The Almighty, our Creator.
May He bless and keep us all.
In His Love :)
 
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Originally posted by Wonder
I knew many would worry about what I had to say and is why I really didn't want to say it...People need to see that the Bible needs discerned...if the Bible was nothing but the Most High speaking, then what is there to discern? He ask us to split the Scriptures...to determine which God we will serve. I see that there is One God...One Lord...Satan seems to always pawn himself off as the "Lord your God". Our Lord seems to just say "your Lord", or "the Lord" not putting Himself as God. And then the real God always identifies Himself as Creator, Most High etc. While reading Scripture one is wise to discern. There is but one God, one Lord, there is no Lord your God. For Lord is not God. Adam lost everything to satan. Satan became god of this world...Jesus dethroned him...now Jesus is our Lord...and God is the one who sustains all life, The Almighty, our Creator.
May He bless and keep us all.
In His Love :)

Wonder I agree with Sonworshipper, that the Lord God, and even the God that asked Abraham to sacrifice his son are the real God.

You have to look at things in a different context maybe... when God speaks of the gods of babylon for instance, he does make the distinction...

I used to think exactly the way you are about the sacrifice momentwith Isaac, but I listened and learned, alot on the radio, and have heard preachers say generally in concordance, that when God asked Abraham to do that, it was significant of what God would do so many years later when His own son would be crucified... and I have to agree, because think... if Abraham were to be led that one day by satan then he would have been led in other areas as well, that didsn't happen. God was always there for Abraham, he didn't allow satan to come by to tempt him, it didn't happen, and as Sonworshipper mentioned, Abraham knew God, he wouldn't have been fooled.

Always keep in mind one thing, concerning God's anger... it was when the Jews disobeyed that God got angry, because they were hurting each other and forgetting him, forgetting that is was He who provided for them,,,, even when they were fresh out of Egypt at the Lord's hand, they went to worship a cow and give the idol the glory...

Keep in mind things like 'their cries have reached up to heaven'... God did put a stop to many things, because of the cries of the hurting and wounded that would result because of disobediance to him... the book is about the Jewish people, not the Babylonians, except when the Jews were slaves there, for a resaon... God didn't interene very much in Babylon unless it affected Him alot or affected the jews... same with Rome... God is the God of Israel... so it's their story.

Even the painful parts.

The gift of the Holy Spirit now comes to help keep you close to God and walking with Him, that is what Jesus is all about. The Old Testament is useful, to see for which things did the Jews anger God, use it well.

Be Blessed.


--Also, read the OT again, or just for starters read Isaiah.., you'll notice that there is one item that infuriates God, and that is idol worship, He talks more about that than anything in the OT, so... if you steer clear of that and only look solely to Him, you'll be OK for sure.. You should fear God, He is something awesome BUT fear more than anything the loss of His love... if it were possible... and you can only do that when YOU turn away from Him to something else that would try to replace or remove His foremost place in your life.

Let God be God.
 
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Wonder, he may seem cruel when commanding through the profet Samuel to completely destroy a people, even children and woman. But how many chanses were they given? How many times had they not terrorized the Israelites? But knows all, and he couldn't let this continue, let the Israelites be hurt, so he ordered the destruction of women and children as well so it would not continue, because this problem was not confined to one generation.

To SimplePlan, no we are not obligated to hold the cleansing laws and the other laws that was given to the Israelites by the elders, not by God (Where does it say it was from God?). But they were good laws at the time, for practical purposes, but that is all.
 
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