Biblical Israel ≠ Secular state of IsraelPosted By:
]And whom do you think Isreal is? Isreal is Jacob the son of Abraham that from him came the Children of Isreal. If you are not a member of the family ( The Children of Isreal ) why do you bother talking about Isreal?
In which case, since you admit outsiders know nothing ipso facto you know nothing, why are you still talking?You are an outsider. And outsiders knows nothing about Isreal and his children.
I told you about it before: That part of the Children of Isreal are killing themselves and killing the other part among them. The victims are the ones who are killed and the sinful are the ones who kill and it is all happening among the Children of Isreal themselves.
Yes. Just because somebody does not glorify their country does not negate their right of citizenship.So, do you think that you have the right to be an Isreali while you are not glorifying Isreal himself?
I am.And you are not Jewish,too?
I don't care if english is or isn't your first language, be coherent.How do you want to have the right to be an Isreali citizen while your ancestors are not coming from Isreal himself.
What on earth does this have to do with the secular State of Israel ?You can go somewhere else to have you secular dreams come true but not near the Temple of Solmon that belongs to the Children of Isreal who are lead by : the Children of [/COLOR]( Joseph,King David,King Solomon, [SIZE=+1]Mary ,Jesus, Zachariya,Elizebeth and Jhon)[/SIZE]
Right? And? It does nothing to change the fact that Israel is a secular state.The above are the ones whom they , their children and their grand children are the ones who have the right to defend Isreal.
Because it will mean nothing to you whether it was built or desroyed as long as Isreal is giving you what you want? Right.[/COLOR]
Eh?
I have no idea what you are raving on about now.Because this EH you said is a rude answer to say when I mentioned something religious. Now, I can tell who are the ones that are responsible for stopping the peace. Those are the ones who wants their share in the treasure that doesn't belong to them??? Aren't they greedy enough to stop peace making? Just for the sake of their secular ideas.
Are you telling me that you are trying to clean children[/COLOR]
of Isreal from the face of earth to put your hand on the treasures of Isreal???
...what the?
I just did.You may tell me what's intellectual?
Again what on earth are you raving on about?Kicking religion for the sake of secular ambitions free of laws and rules. Typically the Devil's Kingdom who is not loyal to any.
I don't care about them as long as I have the permanent words of the Holy Creator. I belong to Allah/God. I don't belong to any humans on earth. I am His servant not the servant of the devil feeding him with flesh of humans.
Right.
This Youssef is not my prophet to bring his words to me as I am responsible for the insane's speechs. My Creator is Allah/God and
My prophet's name is Muhammed ( peace be upon him) not Youssef Jamah.
Right and where do you think he got the idea from...*cough* the koran *cough* muhammad *cough*
And who commanded him to say that neither Allah/God nor prophet Muhammed ( peace be upon him).
How do you know that? Do you see fit to comment on allahs revelations to others?
And why doesn't he do what he say. Whay is he adressing people!
All those speeches are a waste of time. If he is serious why doesn't he do it himself? Or his life is more precious that the ones he is misleading.
Probably.
Right because that has nothing to do with Allah... gimme a break.
The same thing I will say to you Because that has nothing to do with Isreal. You don't know who is Isreal. You don't care about Judasim. You don't care about the temple of Solmon.You don't care about Moses. You don't care about David. Whom do you care about then?
No, I can discern between medinat yisrael & b'nai yisrael something you can't.
'You are an outsider. And outsiders knows nothing about Isreal and his children.'
Right just because they have no weapons with them doesn't mean they are dangerous, committed crime in the past or are going to. Based on this reasoning, we can't arrest people for gun crime unless we go into their house and find guns... right because people don't have caches or throw them away...If they are fighting to protect their families why don't they stop infront of their houses to protect their families. Why to go to the places where Palestinians live who have no weapons with them?
Yes.Do you think that it is about protection:
Right now I am sort of wishing mossad would... stop being so dramatic, they don't purposefully go into kill children... it's collateral damage. While the Palestinians purposefully target children.When you get into my own house to kill me and my children
Do you really think the IDF just go in without any evidence just picking random people out... wow you are deluded.to protect yourself from me while I have no weapons
So what? Murders don't return to their homes now?and I am in my house not in yours?
You don't even know the first thing about logic so please don't get me started on this, I doubt you have ever took a class on logic, or set theory.Do you think that you are talking about logic.
Yes.Does protection means breaking personal properties or building a fence away from the savages.
I have seen lions killed for killing flocks, I have also seen fences put up to protect livestock, if you had a point here it wasn't really thought out.I haven't seen the lions being killed for knowing that they are strong and dangerous.
...right.It is only a fence that's divide the wilderness from the peacefulness.
Thats deep man, thats really deep... seriously go back to the 60's.If we are going to kill people in the name of protection then we will
no longer have anything to protect.
Says you. And based on what else you have said, I wouldn't put much stock in it.They have the hope of peace which cannot be done without following the Holy Rules.
The thing is tho, I am Jewish and I do believe in the prophets, I just don't believe in the civility of palestine as a whole...Victims symphthizes with victims. But as long as you are not Jewish and you don't believe in prophets. Why do I then wait for you to sympathize with Jews or Palestinians.
They don't deserve sympathy.The Holocaust was not done by Palestinians. But still you feel no sympathy toward them. I can't help you if mercy is taken from your heart.
I didn't ask for help.It is your own style of your responses that's represent your education and manners. I can't help you with that. Sorry.
I know lots of words, tipeshIt is good that you know the word Fair. Which refers to the Creator
OR it's removing the gun wielding maniacs.The Source of Peace, The One who is free from every imperfection.
By the same token, can someone be a good Christian if they contradict the words of YHWH and JESUS?Can someone be considered a good Muslim when they publicly contradict the words of Muhammed?
Sahih Muslim
Book 041, Number 6981:
Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html
You still don't know what systematic slaughter is do you?You can look at pictures and analyze them but you can't hide the blood that was shed on both sides.
And how am I supposed to wait to listen to maybe and its political group?
What I see is suffering whether it is a Palestinian or a Jew.
What I believe is that brain washing is taking a great place in both sides.
I may ask you to show respect when Holy Books and prophets are mentioned. Would you?
As I told you, you are neither a Muslim nor a Jew. May I ask a question:
Eh?What is it to you then?
What secular goals are you on about, the only secular thing I have pointed out is the State of Israel is secular...If you were brave enough to make fun of Holy Religions for the sake of secular goals. I won't be surprised that you are using such manner. Weaker side shouted loud.
Blood is red. Death is black. Graves are full. Don't you think that souls have no colors.
Terrorism is switching the truth. Terrorism is killing the innocent. Terrorism is taking innocents to prison and letting free the criminals.
Terrorism is the Kingdom of the Devil that only terrorists can go to. And that's when they lost the right path of Guidance to heaven.
Edited for accuracy.I won't because I read the Quran, The Holy Bible and the Holy Torah.
I do look at them, hell I even have read the Koran, this may surprise you my ex-girlfriend was the great grand daughter of Sheikh Ayatollah Haeri Yazdi, and her great uncle was the founder of Hezbollah got to love shias.Maybe when you are free you will have the chance to have a look at them all and I assure you . You will be much more surprised than I do.
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Kahane was right.
"you" keep trying.or shall we bury you?
Well, someone is getting "buried" in Ezekiel 39:12"you" keep trying.
"you" keep trying.
And that can only happen worldwide under Sharia law?I take it you don't believe in coexistence, then. How sad. Your loss.
Greetings. Jude 1 mentions both Cain and Korah. Any relation to Kahane?Was he?
In 1994, Kahane's most imfamous disciple Baruch Goldstein gunned down 24 Muslims before being smiten to death by the fists of the righteous.
There are some 13-14 million Jews in the world, and about 1.5 billion Muslims. More than 100 Muslims per Jew. More than a Goldstein can handle. This is a macrohistorical fact which will remain even after both you and I have died and turned to dust.
The way of Kahane will lead you to ruin. Shall we coexist, or shall we bury you?
Sounds a lot like the old western frontier justice of hanging cattle and horse rustlers, some without a trial. Imagine the information that the Muslims would have gotten from that guy they beat to death if he would have been tried. Ah well.............
Sorry. I used poor judgement on that.Steve, I think a lynching postcard is too graphic for the public forums. Would you mind editing that?
They have an interesting topic going on here concerning Israel if thou art interestedThanks.
Namaste dnihila,
thank you for the post.
i don't practice Judaism but i've studied the tradition for several years so i have some idea regarding the tradition and it's praxis.
I see.
Al Qur'an isn't a miracle, it's a book. i'm aware that it is a Muslim belief that Al Qur'an is a miracle it simply isn't a view which any other being shares.
And that's why war didn't stop. Because the world think that the Holy Books' words are telling us about the past. Then why to bother keeping them till now. If we take what we want and leave the other?
Why did I say eternal. It is because of this verse in the Holy Quran:
Surah 3. The Family Of 'Imran, The House Of 'Imran
81. Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you an apostle, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."
82. If any turn back after this, they are perverted transgressors.
83. Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah.-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (Accepted Islam), and to Him shall they all be brought back.
84. Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)."
85. If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
So, by reading those verses from the Holy Quran, you may look particulary at the underlined sentences. We believe that all prophets are dead, right.
Then how does Allah take their covenant to believe in Muhammed ( peace be upon him) while they are already dead? Some may say that this thing is happening after life when all prophets are gathered in heaven. What's the point then of taking the covenant if they entered heaven. And Allah/God said and the other covenant condition is to render him - the prophet-help.
How would they help him if they are dead and they are not around him?
You may say by praying to him. But Allah/God said that you all should be Muslims.
So, even though they are chosen as prophets but their testing didn't stop. Testing their faith and their loyality.
At this point, no one has the right to say the Holy Quran is not a miracle.
Miracles shouldn't be flying elephants and speaking snakes.
In this generation, the world is developing by human inventions which cannot be done without a human and his brain thinking of making it.
Now, the Holy Quran is talking to this brain that can think and make inventions. One day in the old times people considered the car a miracle because they didn't see any cars on the planet.
To Be Continued.