Messianic kashrut laws

I'm most curious to see as well.

Yochanan

as you well know - the organizations with in MJism are loose communities and not Beit Din...

kashrut in this movement is not totally dissimilar to some communities in mainstream Judaism..... the local Rabbi is the source for each community on this topic, although some small communities have tried to begin the process of building a Beit Din/Halakic board.... and with mainstream Judaism there is an analog spread from reform to orthodox among this community

1) we are forced outside of the mainstream community and thus have not access to the authorizing sources available there
2) we are relatively young and have not developed the resources (Beit Din, etc) that 6thousand years has afforded mainstream Judaism

http://www.ourrabbis.org/main/content/view/20/34/

i'm not messianic really, but just a google search brought this up - no clue as to it's applicability

http://www.messianic.ws/kashrut.htm
http://www.voice-wilderness.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=11

Talmidah said:

Actually I didn't know. I hear and see acronyms such as MJAA, UMJC, IMJA, etc and assumed that these were the main organizations who 'call the shots' so to speak for the Messianic religion. What are these groups then?

What do mean by if there isn't one overarching mainstream community with Messianic Christianity?

Thank you for responding, Henaynei!

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I'm sorry I was not clear - I was referring to our (MJism) being outside the mainstream Jewish community - my bad for not being clearer.

MJAA, UMJC and IMJA are all paid membership organizations, more like unions, and none set doctrinal standards. UMJC has come the closest and is moving in that direction but like the other organizations they are beset by a preponderance of folk who "joined" and did not do so to be told what to do or not do, as it were - thus the process of moving away from that mindset and function is slow.

eh. that's like asking if you can have gentiles at seder... some brands of judaism you can, others you cant. it's not decisive. it just happens that for the most part, with jews, regarding food, it is... but this is certainly not 100% either. KWIM T?

Talmidah said:

From that site:

How can it be an expression of Jewish identity and culture for people who are not practicing Judaism anyway? So if a Wiccan decides to only eat kosher, is that for her an expression of Jewish identity?

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Yeah, that is a strange quote.....it is not an expression of Jewish identity
and culture, it is the observance of the mitzvot that the Almighty has
given us....

Unless they are saying Jews who are messianic are not held to observing
the mitzvot of kashruth....I'll have to go to the site and take a peek.
Looks like interesting reading.

Talmidah said:

Also from that site

So why the uproar over Messianic prisoners not being entitled to the more expensive kosher meals that real Jews get when the messianic pastor the state consulted stated that is not a requirement for Messianics to keep kosher?

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Well, the Torah quite clearly says what we should eat and not eat.
However, it sounds like there are various branches of MJ, and this
must be the opinion of the "Reform" part of MJ.

Yes there are MJ organizations that are more conservative or even orthodox and those that are more liberal or reform in their approach.

There is no organization that speaks for all Messianics on any topic.

Talmidah said:

From that site:

How can it be an expression of Jewish identity and culture for people who are not practicing Judaism anyway? So if a Wiccan decides to only eat kosher, is that for her an expression of Jewish identity?

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from the quick glance I gave that site, they are more Christian than Messianic in their other practices so I am not surprised they don't think you have to eat kosher, but dont' judge all messinics on that site.

Here's an article that gives a good overall of what Messianics in general believe regarding keeping Kosher

ChavaK said:

Yeah, that is a strange quote.....it is not an expression of Jewish identity
and culture, it is the observance of the mitzvot that the Almighty has
given us....

Unless they are saying Jews who are messianic are not held to observing
the mitzvot of kashruth....I'll have to go to the site and take a peek.
Looks like interesting reading.

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I would say the clincher was not IF you observe kashrut, but WHY ..... I think this is also reflected in Torah.... if you do so to obey HaShem - score; if you do so because you think it is healthy or kewl or for acceptance or to earn a relationship with HaShem, etc.... - fly ball!

ChavaK said:

Well, the Torah quite clearly says what we should eat and not eat.

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true dat!

However, it sounds like there are various branches of MJ,

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just as there are in non-M Judaism

Lulav said:

Here's an article that gives a good overall of what Messianics in general believe regarding keeping Kosher

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thanks,Lulav!