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Philothei

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LOL... I had no idea that was a joke... English is not my first language though... so excuse my ignorance... Yes, I tthink pretty much (also with the help of my books) I could answer them...

In EO forum you are guest ...here we are in the debate area ;)

I am not mad at all :)

Philothei
 
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LOL... I had no idea that was a joke... English is not my first language though... so excuse my ignorance... Yes, I tthink pretty much (also with the help of my books) I could answer them...

In EO forum you are guest ...here we are in the debate area ;)

I am not mad at all :)

Philothei
Lol that is good you are not mad!

Might I ask, what is your first language? Let me guess...Greek?!!
 
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It is Greek I am from Athens... born and raised. Came to the states for studies and live here now. Do you live in Quebec?Many Greeks live in Canada.. I have classmates from there now they are priests there... :) Quebec is a nice city I hear...:) I hope someday i make it in Monteal I have two friends living there... Quebec seems to far away and they all speak French...
 
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It is Greek I am from Athens... born and raised. Came to the states for studies and live here now. Do you live in Quebec?Many Greeks live in Canada.. I have classmates from there now they are priests there... :) Quebec is a nice city I hear...:) I hope someday i make it in Monteal I have two friends living there... Quebec seems to far away and they all speak French...
Yes, I live in Québec, but not Québec city.. I live in Montréal!

Montréal and Québec city are both two beautiful cities!

And yeah, we do speak French here! But, English people do not have problems getting around, because most people speak at least enough English to have a basic conversation!
 
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See the survey for yourself here.

Belief in God or Universal Spirit
Question wording: Do you believe in God or a universal spirit? [IF YES, ASK:] How certain are you about this belief? Are you absolutely certain, fairly certain, not too certain, or not at all certain?

The sample size is very large for a survey, 35 000. I have very high confidence in the results, although I don't really know why some atheists believe in God. Perhaps it has something to do with the wording, a universal spirit might be more attractive to some atheists than God.
 
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According to this PEW Poll, 21% of Athiests believe in God and 8% are absolutely certain he exists.

Hmmmmm

I guess those atheists aren't really as smart as they keep telling us. LOL

An 'atheist' is a person who... by definition... does not believe that god(s) exist. So, Pew's finding that 21% of atheists believe in god(s) is just plain... ahhhh... oh, gee... what's that word?... oh, yeah... STUPID.

It is the very same thing as saying that 21% of the people who do NOT believe that god(s) exist, DO BELIEVE that god(s) exist.

IF a person says that he is an 'atheist' AND that person says he "believes in god", THEN that person is NOT an 'atheist'... that person is a dumbass.

The proper way to cast such a result is NOT to say that x% of atheists believe in god... it is to say that y% of god-believers are such dumbasses that they think they are atheists.
 
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According to this PEW Poll, 21% of Athiests believe in God and 8% are absolutely certain he exists. http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report2religious-landscape-study-key-findings.pdf

Hmmmmm

I guess those atheists aren't really as smart as they keep telling us. LOL

I think that there were other very interesting statistics. (And I agree--if someone believes in God but says they are an atheist is a confused theist, not a confused atheist, because by definition they aren't an atheist.) Often Christians (of various stripes, Evangelicals included) seem to be very confused
on what Christianity is and what it teaches.

(Of course, that's been a problem with Christianity since the very beginning...who is a "true" Christian and who is false?)
 
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Namaste Secundulus,

thank you for the post.

According to this PEW Poll, 21% of Athiests believe in God and 8% are absolutely certain he exists.

if you read the poll more closely you'll discover that only 6% of atheists think that God is a personal deity ala the Abrahamic traditions, 12% considered it an impersonal force, more like deists and 3% said they don't know.

without knowing how the question was asked the results of the survey are hard to put into context in a meaningful way.

I guess those atheists aren't really as smart as they keep telling us. LOL

:doh:

i don't think that your brush is wide enough, perhaps a larger one would allow you to paint everyone at the same time?

this poll has nothing to do with intelligence and i have no idea how you could think that it does... perhaps you are being sarcastic?

metta,

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Ah, God OR a universal spirit...to me "universal spirit" doesn't mean deity...it's a poorly phrased question if you ask me.

Nooj comes through with the goods! Reps!
I could go for spirit myself. :thumbsup:

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 A Spirit the God, and the ones worshipping Him in spirit and truth is binding to be worshipping
 
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I've seen posts on other forums fostering the (incorrect) belief that atheism means "you don't like religion/aren't religious." If the poll did not clearly define "atheism,"
it seems rather likely that some non-religious theists would identify as atheist because of their irreligion.

Edit: I also agree that belief in an impersonal, "universal spirit" is quite distinct from theism in a practical sense. That's really more an aesthetic preference when thinking of existence than an affirmative belief in a deity.
 
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According to this PEW Poll, 21% of Athiests believe in God and 8% are absolutely certain he exists. http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report2religious-landscape-study-key-findings.pdf

Hmmmmm

I guess those atheists aren't really as smart as they keep telling us. LOL

No they're just not atheists. It's just that simple.

Atheists don't believe in God.

Of course there are some atheists out there who would rather be called:

Pantheists.

It's atheism all dressed up in formal clothing.

And it somehow manages to remove all the stigma and baggage that comes along with the term atheist.
 
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Not to rain on anyone's parade but polls and statistical findings are always skewed to find what the poller is looking for and the numbers and data are rarely correct in the findings due to the tainted method for gathering information.

Casi (just saying)
 
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No they're just not atheists. It's just that simple.

Atheists don't believe in God.

Of course there are some atheists out there who would rather be called:

Pantheists.
It's atheism all dressed up in formal clothing.

And it somehow manages to remove all the stigma and baggage that comes along with the term atheist.
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Hmm That reminds me of this little joke :)

On New York's Upper West Side lived an assimilated Jew who was a militant atheist. But he sent his son to Trinity School because, despite its denominational roots, it’s a great school and completely secular.

After a month, the boy comes home and says casually, “By the way Dad, do you know what ‘Trinity’ means? It means the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.”

The father can barely control his rage. He seizes his son by the shoulders and declares, “Danny, I’m going to tell you something now and I want you never to forget it. There is only one God. AND we don’t believe in Him!”
 
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Hmm That reminds me of this little joke :)

On New York's Upper West Side lived an assimilated Jew who was a militant atheist. But he sent his son to Trinity School because, despite its denominational roots, it’s a great school and completely secular.

After a month, the boy comes home and says casually, “By the way Dad, do you know what ‘Trinity’ means? It means the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.”

The father can barely control his rage. He seizes his son by the shoulders and declares, “Danny, I’m going to tell you something now and I want you never to forget it. There is only one God. AND we don’t believe in Him!”

Unfortunatley there is more than one God and I carry it a step further. I don't believe in any of them.
 
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Unfortunatley there is more than one God and I carry it a step further. I don't believe in any of them.
My bro Paul appeared to believe that also

1 Corin 8:5 For even if-ever there are ones saying to be gods, whether in heaven or on land, even as there are gods many, and lords many, 6 but to us, there is one God the Father, out of Whom the all-things, and we into Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ thru Whom the all-things, and we thru Him.

http://ourworld.cs.com/preteristabcs/id84.htm

The Thessalonian church was comprised primarily of Gentile converts from the pagan cults of Dionysus, Zeus, Asclepius, Aphrodite, Demeter, and perhaps most important, the cult of Cabirus. They were converts from a social and religious milieu in which gods and demons were understood to have control over virtually all aspects of life.

Given the unique nature of this Pauline doctrine in a letter which is supposed to correct eschatological misconceptions, it must be asked if it is appropriate to assume that Paul is here innovating a completely new teaching. Proper pedagogy elucidates the unclear by the clear, not by the unprecedented. Why would Paul have concocted a “general assumption of all believers,” a doctrine which has no basis in any other Jewish or Christian teaching, in hopes of alleviating misunderstanding among the Thessalonians regarding the fate of their departed?
 
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My bro Paul appeared to believe that also

1 Corin 8:5 For even if-ever there are ones saying to be gods, whether in heaven or on land, even as there are gods many, and lords many, 6 but to us, there is one God the Father, out of Whom the all-things, and we into Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ thru Whom the all-things, and we thru Him.

http://ourworld.cs.com/preteristabcs/id84.htm

The Thessalonian church was comprised primarily of Gentile converts from the pagan cults of Dionysus, Zeus, Asclepius, Aphrodite, Demeter, and perhaps most important, the cult of Cabirus. They were converts from a social and religious milieu in which gods and demons were understood to have control over virtually all aspects of life.

Given the unique nature of this Pauline doctrine in a letter which is supposed to correct eschatological misconceptions, it must be asked if it is appropriate to assume that Paul is here innovating a completely new teaching. Proper pedagogy elucidates the unclear by the clear, not by the unprecedented. Why would Paul have concocted a “general assumption of all believers,” a doctrine which has no basis in any other Jewish or Christian teaching, in hopes of alleviating misunderstanding among the Thessalonians regarding the fate of their departed?

And all the Gods you mentioned here from top to bottom of your post have one thing in common:

Non-existence.
 
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