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The Rabbinical court does not override the Torah as the Torah specifically states to put a false prophet to death.

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Stoning is not one of the 613 mitzvot....


The Tenach also recorded some of the Beit Din halacha, fyi.

simchat_torah said:

Stoning is not one of the 613 mitzvot....


The Tenach also recorded some of the Beit Din halacha, fyi.

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Deuteronomy 13:6 'And that prophet and that dreamer of a dream shall be put to death, for he had spoken perversion against HASHEM, your G-d - Who takes you out of the land of Egypt, and Who redeems you from the house of slavery - to make you stray from the path on which HASHEM, your G-d, has commanded you to go; and you shall destroy the evil from your midst.'

Deuteronomy 13:10 'Rather, you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be the first against him to kill him, and the hand of the entire people afterwards. You shall pelt him with stones and he shall die, for he sought to make you stray from near HASHEM, your G-d, Who takes you out of Egypt, from the house of slavery. All Israel shall hear and fear, and they shall not again do such an evil thing in your midst.'

It is indeed a Mitzvah as it is a law and a requirement of G-d.

Lulav said:

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Also Chavah must have just lost hers as well, she had it a few days ago when I talked with her, and I see that Talmidah still displays the 'M'. If this is a boycott, why are you still here, debating with us?

Shalom

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I actually just resigned, as did Tal. It's not a boycott; I just had
an enormous increase in my practice and I do not have the time
to put into the forum that I thought I would. I also have decided
to start doing a little more studying that I did before, as well
as check out other Jewish forums.
I decided it would be wise to spend what little free time I have
with my husband, rather than the computer...

PS- I see we both have excellent taste in clothing....

simchat_torah said:

Condemned to hell we are... eh?

But, regardless of all that... this site has produced more messianics than it has lost.

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Specifically yes. If you reject Y'shua you are indeed condemned to hell

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


And even one soul lost is far too many souls to be cast into the lake of fire on the last day.

The question I have is when Messinaics will start preaching the gospel again. That is what we are SUPPOSED to be doing not becoming more observant than a Lubivicher but to bring the good news of salvation to all of Israel.

That is the message.

PG

Tanakh said:

Deuteronomy 13:6 'And that prophet and that dreamer of a dream shall be put to death, for he had spoken perversion against HASHEM, your G-d - Who takes you out of the land of Egypt, and Who redeems you from the house of slavery - to make you stray from the path on which HASHEM, your G-d, has commanded you to go; and you shall destroy the evil from your midst.'

Deuteronomy 13:10 'Rather, you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be the first against him to kill him, and the hand of the entire people afterwards. You shall pelt him with stones and he shall die, for he sought to make you stray from near HASHEM, your G-d, Who takes you out of Egypt, from the house of slavery. All Israel shall hear and fear, and they shall not again do such an evil thing in your midst.'

It is indeed a Mitzvah as it is a law and a requirement of G-d.

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Are you a Karaite?

ChavaK said:

I actually just resigned, as did Tal. It's not a boycott; I just had
an enormous increase in my practice and I do not have the time
to put into the forum that I thought I would. I also have decided
to start doing a little more studying that I did before, as well
as check out other Jewish forums.
I decided it would be wise to spend what little free time I have
with my husband, rather than the computer...

PS- I see we both have excellent taste in clothing....

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Same here. I just don't have the time to commit to this right now.

P_G said:

Specifically yes. If you reject Y'shua you are indeed condemned to hell

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And even one soul lost is far too many souls to be cast into the lake of fire on the last day.

The question I have is when Messinaics will start preaching the gospel again. That is what we are SUPPOSED to be doing not becoming more observant than a Lubivicher but to bring the good news of salvation to all of Israel.

That is the message.

PG

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Shalom. Do Messianics still refer to their spiritual leaders as "Rabbi"? And if so why? Thanks.

[Tex-Rec] Matt 23:6 "They are being fond of the first-reclining-place in the suppers and the first-seats in the synagogues,
7 "And the greetings in the markets and to be being called over the men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8 "Ye yet no be being called 'Rabbi', for One is of ye the leader/kaqhghthV <2519>, the Christ. All yet ye brothers are.
10 "No-yet ye may be being called leaders/kaqhghtai <2519>; for One is your leader/kaqhghthV <2519>, the Christ.
11 "The yet greater of ye shall be of ye a servant.
12 "Who-any yet shall be exalting himself shall be being humbled. And who-any shall be humbling himself shall be being exalted.

P_G said:

Specifically yes. If you reject Y'shua you are indeed condemned to hell

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Wow, some things never change.

Was this always the case P_G? I don't seem to recall the Tanakh stating a need to "accept" or "reject" a forbidden human "blood sacrifice" or spend eternity in hell. Are you saying HaShem changes?

Hix said:

Wow, some things never change.

Was this always the case P_G? I don't seem to recall the Tanakh stating a need to "accept" or "reject" a forbidden human "blood sacrifice" or spend eternity in hell. Are you saying HaShem changes?

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Well, well, well..... look who decide to drop in.

You have a good memory.

Talmidah said:

Well, well, well..... look who decide to drop in.

You have a good memory.

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Seems I am not the only one! On for ten seconds and I get PM bombarded, I should have known!

Hix said:

Seems I am not the only one! On for ten seconds and I get PM bombarded, I should have known!

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That's what you get after what you did!

Originally Posted by P_G
Specifically yes. If you reject Y'shua you are indeed condemned to hell.......

......And even one soul lost is far too many souls to be cast into the lake of fire on the last day.

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Hi. I did a study on the symbolic "lake of fire" and have you ever noticed that the Book of "Luke" is the only place in the whole GNT that the word "lake" is mentioned", Pretty interesting.

Lake mentioned 11 times. 5 times in Luke [Luke 5:1,2 8:22,23,33] 6 times in Revelation

Luke 5:1 It became yet, in the of the throng to be nearing to Him to be hearing the word of the God, and He was standing beside the lake/limnhn <3041> Gennesaret/gennhsaret <1082>, [Matt 14:34, Mark 6:53]

Reve 19:20 and is arrested the wild-beast and with it the false-prophet, the one-doing the signs in sight of it in which he deceives the ones getting the mark of the wild beast and the ones worshipping to the image of it, living were cast, the two, into the Lake/limnhn <3041> of the fire the one burning in sulphur.

lol, Hix... haven't seen you in awhile.

Hit me up with a message yo.

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lol, Hix... haven't seen you in awhile.

Hit me up with a message yo.

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Miss me? I'm guessing P_G hasn't...

PMing you right now, dude.

ChavaK said:

I actually just resigned, as did Tal. It's not a boycott; I just had
an enormous increase in my practice and I do not have the time
to put into the forum that I thought I would. I also have decided
to start doing a little more studying that I did before, as well
as check out other Jewish forums.
I decided it would be wise to spend what little free time I have
with my husband, rather than the computer...

PS- I see we both have excellent taste in clothing....

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Yes, we do.

What is the difference between the Israeli Flag icon and the Star of David icon? Just curious.

GerTzedek said:

Wow. Logging on for PM's, I scroll down out of curiousity, only to find five pages discussing my conversion. You have nothing better to do? And why is it that so many of you think that badmouthing the state of my soul behind my back is moral? Only one Christian had the decency to PM her concerns to me.

I need to address Lulav's comment, since by implication, she misrepresents me, and I can't allow that to happen.


Lulav:
I don't think anyone needs to be a Jew to achieve salvation. Shame on you for implying this. The draw I feel to the Jewish people and their covenant doesn't have squat to do with salvation.
At the time I was here on the forum, I was undergoing conversion through UMJC. There was no need for me to reject Yeshua, as you implied. That's lie number two. If I were still an active member here on Christian Forums, I would report you for misrepresentation.

There was a question regarding my discussing this with Rabbi Dauermann. Of course I have. And I have to say I wish this forum had just half the grace that man has. I received NONE of the cheap shots from him that I read here. His argument was the best anyone could have possibly given. Our parting was deeply, deeply painful, and even though we can no longer speak, we know we can both call on the other if we ever need to. I cried all the way home.

Quite different from this forum, which I have to say I don't miss in the slightest.

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Ger, I am sorry that you felt I was misrepresenting you. I have only to go on your own words. Awhile back I remember you constantly promoting the UMJC and their conversion and how you were going to do it, etc. Now I haven't been around a bit and I come back to find you no longer believe in Yeshua but still want a conversion? What do you think that says to anyone that has read your words before? And why feel the need to publically announce this, knowing it could be a stumbling block for many, or don't you care about your brothers and sisters anymore or setting stumbling blocks before as Yeshua taught us not to do? I'm sure you know the v'ahavtah, and you choose during Chanukah to post this most controversial subject? Right before Shabbat? You OP seems to address a private inquiry and I think it should have been kept so.

And FTR, I did not imply that you needed to be Jewish for salvation, I never would as I don't believe in that at all, never have. Where you got that from, I don't begin to understand. I also did not imply you needed to reject Yeshua in your Messianic 'conversion', I have always stood by Pauls words that one should stay in the state one was found in, if Jew, then you remain a Jew, if gentile , remain a gentile, each has specific callings, for a purpose, HaShem's not our own.

I don't think threats and accusations about me lying are good fruits of your new choice, do you?

PS, you did not just see these, I saw you online in here a few times already, yesterday. And maybe the posts wouldn't seem so upsetting if you had taken the time to explain to those in this forum who have taken time to discuss with you on many things since you've come here, the reasons and what lead up to this very startling decision? You were very defensive and curt in your post, so you opened the door for all this speculation and reactions of surprise and hurt and mistrust, so don't turn the blame over to the forum.

And FTR, I did not imply that you needed to be Jewish for salvation, I never would as I don't believe in that at all, never have. Where you got that from, I don't begin to understand. I also did not imply you needed to reject Yeshua in your Messianic 'conversion', I have always stood by Pauls words that one should stay in the state one was found in, if Jew, then you remain a Jew, if gentile , remain a gentile, each has specific callings, for a purpose, HaShem's not our own.

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Shalom. This part puzzles me.

For example, let's say I am a non-Jew born into a Catholic family and I decide to convert to either Judaism or Islam, would that then make me a Catholic Jew or Catholic Muslim?

Heck there are even disagreements in Christianity on who is even a "True Christian". Why be called either Jew or "gentile" if one is in the Christ of YHWH? Thoughts?

http://christianforums.com/t6541801-christianity-vs-catholicism-4.html

quote catholic Christian: I submit to you all that if you are not baptized (generally speaking) that you are not part of the Church mystically. And that if you are not Catholic then you have no church on earth.

Or if you have not received a valid baptism and you are not part of the Catholic Church then you have no church unless it is Pagan.

response AoG Christian: That is so rude! I guess I'd better go and tell my Assembly of God Church that we're all going to hell because we're Pagans, huh?

And why feel the need to publically announce this, knowing it could be a stumbling block for many,

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Why would someone's personal decision become a stumbling block to another?