Announcement: Forum Specific Rules Will No Longer Be Used

Ariel · Nov 25, 2007

Br. Max said:
I can tell you how I define them -

Baiting

Making comments/posts that "bait" others into breaking the rules or making posts that embarrass themselves for the amusement of the baiter.

Flaming

the use of rude, hurtful, insulting, or belittling language, or false statements addressed at a person. Criticism should be directed at posts, not people. A normal, non-flame message may have elements of a flame -- it may be hostile, for example -- but it is not a flame if it advances the discussion.

Harassment

The act of tormenting by continued persistent attacks and criticism; bullying; stalking; mobbing.

Repeatedly and intentionally going out of your way to make another member's experience miserable; not respecting the member's wishes to not be contacted.

Trolling

Posting derogatory messages about sensitive subjects with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.

Pretending to be what you are not to be able to participate in a forum where you would not normally have membership rights.

Thank you so much. This really helps.

Regarding the problem I was having, the person in question would not let up until a moderator stepped in. It did not help to quote the rules, they just started attacking me personally. Praise God for moderators who are willing to step in.

Looking at these definitions of flaming, baiting, trolling and harassing, I realize why I have been so hurt at another forum I go to. I have been repeatedly flamed, baited and harassed over several months now. Yes, it has been reported, but in the long run it has not been effective to stop that behavior.

There seems to be a short memory on the board's part. It seems an individual can harass another, even a group of people. If they are reported they may be admonished, and for a while the behavior is abated. But then they return to their old pattern. It does not help to stand up against them. Nor does reporting the posts solve the problem, not in the long run.

Well, I continue anyway. It's hard to step away from friends.

Thank you again for your response.

Ariel

Glass*Soul · Nov 25, 2007

Thank you Br Max.

Lindon Tinuviel · Nov 26, 2007

This has become my new favorite thread:

Get Out Of Our Forum!

It's good reading

ETA: Well, it was good reading, anyway....

JustOneWay · Nov 26, 2007

Br. Max said:
Pretending to be what you are not to be able to participate in a forum where you would not normally have membership rights.

Where did you get this Max? Looks like you made it up to suit your needs :doh:

Would be nice if somebody answers imind's question

Ariel · Nov 26, 2007

LOL, talk about baiting and flaming...

Okay, dear ones, let's be nice!

RealDealNeverstop · Nov 27, 2007

Since Max has repeatedly accused me of not being a 'real' Conservative, JustOneWay hit the nail on the head. Playing nice doesnt mean ignoring relevent pieces. My question is this: did Lee change the participant restrictive rules to extend beyond just the Congregational forums?

Ariel · Nov 27, 2007

I guess I take a different view. I believe that everyone should be treated with respect, always. I also believe that if a person is treated disrespectfully, they don't owe you anything, not even an explanation for their nonresponse.

This is the very least Christians can do for one another, to treat one another with respect. I asked Max a question, he answered, and his answer gave me the insight I needed to label problems I have been having. I am grateful.

Maybe someone feels that based on past interactions they have a right to treat someone badly. I believe that such behavior just reflects on them. It says much more about them than the person they are castigating. Jesus said the same thing, "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks."

I have been very hurt on this board in the past. When I withdrew and failed to answer "questions" which baited me, I was then reported to the moderators for my non-response, amongst other things. It seems I could not win for trying, no matter what. I was attacked, humiliated and excoriated. The accusations spoken against me were half-truths and outright lies. Yet when I tried to defend myself, I was kept from seeing the other person's response on a supposed "open" review board. I felt humiliated. In my country the Bill of Rights says that an accused person has a right to know what they are being accused of, they have a right to defend themselves, and they have a right to face their accuser in court. Obviously, there is no "Bill of Rights" here.

I am still hurting a lot. I need counsel. I don't know who to talk to or where to get advice.

Orchids · Nov 27, 2007

Ariel said:
I guess I take a different view. I believe that everyone should be treated with respect, always. I also believe that if a person is treated disrespectfully, they don't owe you anything, not even an explanation for their nonresponse.

This is the very least Christians can do for one another, to treat one another with respect. I asked Max a question, he answered, and his answer gave me the insight I needed to label problems I have been having. I am grateful.

Maybe someone feels that based on past interactions they have a right to treat someone badly. I believe that such behavior just reflects on them. It says much more about them than the person they are castigating. Jesus said the same thing, "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks."

I have been very hurt on this board in the past. When I withdrew and failed to answer "questions" which baited me, I was then reported to the moderators for my non-response, amongst other things. It seems I could not win for trying, no matter what. I was attacked, humiliated and excoriated. The accusations spoken against me were half-truths and outright lies. Yet when I tried to defend myself, I was kept from seeing the other person's response on a supposed "open" review board. I felt humiliated. In my country the Bill of Rights says that an accused person has a right to know what they are being accused of, they have a right to defend themselves, and they have a right to face their accuser in court. Obviously, there is no "Bill of Rights" here.

I am still hurting a lot. I need counsel. I don't know who to talk to or where to get advice.

That's terrible!!! :hug:

I'm so sorry all of this happened to you.

RealDealNeverstop · Nov 27, 2007

Ariel, iam sorry you have been hurt and do hope you find peace and resolution. The fact remains your question was exploited for personal reasons, even if your question was answered. I dont see what is disrespectful about putting cards on the table. If there was name calling or flaming then i could see your point but JWO highlighted an important aspect and i merely offered evidence for that aspect.

Ariel · Nov 27, 2007

Maybe that's the way you see it, RDNS, but regardless of what you may think, Max offered me help, and I am grateful.

Max helped me. Please give him grace. He was kind to me.

Ariel · Nov 27, 2007

Orchids said:
That's terrible!!! I'm so sorry all of this happened to you.

Orchids, yes it was terrible. Somehow I am going to deal with this and grow through it.

Inspite of what happened, there are a lot of caring, loving people here at Forums. I just have to remember that.

JustOneWay · Nov 27, 2007

Ariel said:
Maybe that's the way you see it, RDNS, but regardless of what you may think, Max offered me help, and I am grateful.

Max helped me. Please give him grace. He was kind to me.

You have no idea what trouble people have caused Neverstop. Considering their lies and schemes, Neverstop has shown remarkable restraint. I, on the other hand, do not have the patience nor tolerance for such people.

scraparcs · Nov 27, 2007

I'm not a mod here, so all I can do is also plead for a bit of simmering down here.

RealDealNeverstop · Nov 27, 2007

I was never past simmer

When i get heated there will be no doubt it is obvious. Thanks JWO for the kind words

I asked my question because there is an end run happening around the rule. If Lee approves then fine, it is his site. However, even from the first day of Lee's announcement some Staff completely ignored it and a Debate Admin has stated clearly Staff has the power to delete posts as they see fit, without any public criteria being offered.

JustOneWay · Nov 27, 2007

Lel said:
I'm not a mod here, so all I can do is also plead for a bit of simmering down here.

Who is angry? I'm just speaking the truth....unless you really mean change the subject?

Lindon Tinuviel · Nov 27, 2007

RealDealNeverstop said:
I was never past simmer When i get heated there will be no doubt it is obvious. Thanks JWO for the kind words I asked my question because there is an end run happening around the rule. If Lee approves then fine, it is his site. However, even from the first day of Lee's announcement some Staff completely ignored it and a Debate Admin has stated clearly Staff has the power to delete posts as they see fit, without any public criteria being offered.

Support Staff has done the same thing, so it's not just in Debate.

RealDealNeverstop · Nov 27, 2007

I cant speak to that and since i dont know the details i have no idea if there is a fair comparison. What i do know is this: it is unacceptable to have de facto contradictory rules/guidelines shrouded in mystery behind walls members are unable to see beyond. I have no doubt where this will lead.

brachah · Dec 26, 2007

I would like to make Staff and Members aware that we will discontinue having and developing “Forum Specific Rules”, aka FSRs for ALL forums here at the site. It has been decided by LeeD that this site will have a set of general rules only.

This means that a member will not necessarily receive an infraction (infraction system is still being discussed I believe) for violating a guideline, but may be asked to have the post deleted, edited, or moved to a different and more appropriate forum.

Remember, these are NOT rules, but can describe what topics should be discussed and in what fashion.

noted, & support! really good action! :clap:

denominational barriers have to be broken here on cf. this was my strong appeal to erwin & many mods 1st day i was on cf. :prayer:

Brilliand · Mar 22, 2008

imind said:
so, can these guidelines be used to sideline debate in non-congregational forums?

I'd say yes. And if I'm wrong, perhaps someone will be more willing to correct me than they were to answer your question.

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