A Call for Christians and Messianics to Unite in Messiah

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To all who seek unity among our brotherhood of believers.

It must be said with urgency and amazement that I see divisions number in the thousands among us. In the past year, the Lord opened my eyes to what a mess our brotherhood has become with all the different sects we have(Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, Catholic, etc.). What is the problem here with us believers that we cannot get along just as Lord commanded us? It is because we are so caught up in the arguments about theology that we cant take time to love our God and our fellow believer? Or is it all of a sudden that i have become disallusional thinking we are divided against one another? Though some would go with the second choice, however I will go with the first choice as I do have a simple solution to this mess.

My fellow brothers, remember the two most commandments on which Yeshua said all of the Law and Prophets are based on. They are "Love the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength" and "Love your nieghbor as you love yourself". Simple as that and nothing more. If all of us can simply follow these two commands and not hate our fellow believers, then we would all be united in mind and spirit as Lord is. However, our pride and arrogance makes it hard to do so when it comes to one particular issue in this growing messianic movement when it comes to seperating ourselves from the christian body.

As a believer in Messiah, I can see no difference between Christian and Messianic other than the words themselves which both even themselves mean the same thing. I could call myself Christianic or Messiahan which would be a little wierd to pronounce. Aside from the words, it is important that we as believers in the messianic movement stop making a wall of partition from Christianity as it would cause further trouble down the road just as you can see from the example of so many divided denominations we have out there. I can see fear of losing the Jewish identity in this movement and I understand that, but we need to keep ourselves from building a wall again.

As a believer, I was born of a mixed heritage with English, German, Native American, and a few others. As a far as physical jewish heritage is concerned, my grandmother on my father's side, being an orphan, was rumored to be jewish. I was raised in a gentile household and after recognizing the Jewish roots of my faith, I have incorporated some Jewish style of worship into my daily life. However, being a gentile physically and Jewish spiritually along with most other believers, I do not seek to become a jew as Shaul(Paul) the Apostle said we are a new creation where we are niether Jew nor Gentile. So it is from this viewpoint that we are to see we are one in the body of Messiah and not mess us ourselves us up in the long run by dividing ourselves from the Christian body just for the name's sake.

In spite of all this, I find no problem with the name Messianic as it is a great way to reach out to our Jewish brethren and still maintain a Jewish identity. But it is important for one last time, that we do not let names or physical identity or theology divide us. So in Yeshua's name, I pray that Jew and Gentile be one in the body of Messiah as you are one. Amen
 

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InFaithOnly, a friend of our Lord and Messiah Yeshua(Jesus).

To all who seek unity among our brotherhood of believers.

It must be said with urgency and amazement that I see divisions number in the thousands among us. In the past year, the Lord opened my eyes to what a mess our brotherhood has become with all the different sects we have(Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, Catholic, etc.). What is the problem here with us believers that we cannot get along just as Lord commanded us? It is because we are so caught up in the arguments about theology that we cant take time to love our God and our fellow believer? Or is it all of a sudden that i have become disallusional thinking we are divided against one another? Though some would go with the second choice, however I will go with the first choice as I do have a simple solution to this mess.

My fellow brothers, remember the two most commandments on which Yeshua said all of the Law and Prophets are based on. They are "Love the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength" and "Love your nieghbor as you love yourself". Simple as that and nothing more. If all of us can simply follow these two commands and not hate our fellow believers, then we would all be united in mind and spirit as Lord is. However, our pride and arrogance makes it hard to do so when it comes to one particular issue in this growing messianic movement when it comes to seperating ourselves from the christian body.

As a believer in Messiah, I can see no difference between Christian and Messianic other than the words themselves which both even themselves mean the same thing. I could call myself Christianic or Messiahan which would be a little wierd to pronounce. Aside from the words, it is important that we as believers in the messianic movement stop making a wall of partition from Christianity as it would cause further trouble down the road just as you can see from the example of so many divided denominations we have out there. I can see fear of losing the Jewish identity in this movement and I understand that, but we need to keep ourselves from building a wall again.

As a believer, I was born of a mixed heritage with English, German, Native American, and a few others. As a far as physical jewish heritage is concerned, my grandmother on my father's side, being an orphan, was rumored to be jewish. I was raised in a gentile household and after recognizing the Jewish roots of my faith, I have incorporated some Jewish style of worship into my daily life. However, being a gentile physically and Jewish spiritually along with most other believers, I do not seek to become a jew as Shaul(Paul) the Apostle said we are a new creation where we are niether Jew nor Gentile. So it is from this viewpoint that we are to see we are one in the body of Messiah and not mess us ourselves us up in the long run by dividing ourselves from the Christian body just for the name's sake.

In spite of all this, I find no problem with the name Messianic as it is a great way to reach out to our Jewish brethren and still maintain a Jewish identity. But it is important for one last time, that we do not let names or physical identity or theology divide us. So in Yeshua's name, I pray that Jew and Gentile be one in the body of Messiah as you are one. Amen
Beautiful sentiment! However your Christian brothers who do not choose to keep the four commandments from your own Leadership Council in Acts 15, kinda keep this from happening! We do have a problem with the Porkchops and Gravy, you know! (Thus he declared all foods clean)
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I agree. I'm just not sure why you think disagreement means lack of love. I don't think we should reduce ourselves to trivial thoughts and not wrestle with real issues. Unity is precious, but is more than superficiality. I pray and work for it.
 
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After nearly five years as a MJ I've come to the conclusion MJs have no place in the gentile church, and should remain separate. I don't meet many gentile Christians who give a monkey's about denominational labels, they just worship where the minister seems to speak sense and the music and friendliness are ok. So I wouldn't get too lathered up about denominations, in the UK they are fading out and being replaced by a mess of independents, which seems to me to be a lot healthier. As an MJ I try to have friendly relationships with all the local body of Christ, and will work with anyone for social justice etc, and in my own area of specialist ministry, but I don't go trying to join in their stuff.
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I am more or less with you Mac.

I've lost the stomach to be "in" and yet totally "out" of fellowship within the structure that I do not agree with spiritually or otherwise.

I can't bring myself to darken the doors either, because I know if I say something about what I do or why I do it, it will instantly become a "jump on her and tear her to shreds and make sure you assimilate her in the process".

I'm tired of feeling like fresh meat in Borg territory.. time to break away and get back to the true process.

Btw, to the OP... I ditto Zayit.
 
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My family is in both camps. I'm firmly in the MJ shul of thought and Hubby somewhere between but insisting on having a foot in the Sunday churchism. So I follow where he goes to keep the kids in a stable enviroment.

I don't do Easter pork fest and I I don't do Christmas Ham and white elephant party. I don't always sing the songs with messed up theology, but I gather with them anyway. A lot of people that love the Lord.

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My family thinks I've finally lost my mind. They'd be right but that's besides the point! Their all Christians with less understanding of the bible than I, and my understanding is nill.
I've nevered agreed with certain things the church has taught anyway, since I was a child. I constantly grieved my mother with my questions and conclusions as a child, and didn't want to make my "confirmation" as a young girl, but was forced to anyway.
I too ditto what Zayit said!
 
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My family thinks I've finally lost my mind. They'd be right but that's besides the point! Their all Christians with less understanding of the bible than I, and my understanding is nill.
I've nevered agreed with certain things the church has taught anyway, since I was a child. I constantly grieved my mother with my questions and conclusions as a child, and didn't want to make my "confirmation" as a young girl, but was forced to anyway.
I too ditto what Zayit said!
It was a sacrilege for anyone to have forced you to go through a confirmation. I'm so sorry you were abused in this way, and sorry the sacred rite of the church was abused.
 
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I don't do Easter pork fest
Bananna, you are awesome. :D My family is just.... different. But I have to admit that among the different, I am the most different of all. My family never had ham for easter, but never substituted another traditional food. When I was much younger and newly married, and hadn't yet been exposed to Pesach, I came up with the bright idea of having lamb for our own traditional resurrection sunday meal.
 
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InFaithOnly, a friend of our Lord and Messiah Yeshua(Jesus).

To all who seek unity among our brotherhood of believers.

while I understand your views to a point, I must disagree with one part.

As Messianics we need to divorce ourselves from the gentile churches. We are Jews, we worship as Jews, and we need to be seen as different from the gentile followers of Y'shua.

Unless we do this there will be no believing remnant; we will have assimilated and die out/
 
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InFaithOnly, a friend of our Lord and Messiah Yeshua(Jesus).

To all who seek unity among our brotherhood of believers.

while I understand your views to a point, I must disagree with one part.

As Messianics we need to divorce ourselves from the gentile churches. We are Jews, we worship as Jews, and we need to be seen as different from the gentile followers of Y'shua.

Unless we do this there will be no believing remnant; we will have assimilated and die out/

Am I mistaken? I know of several messianic believers that have married nonJews. So the assimilation and dying out of Jewish blood is taken place now. Think about it. Secular Jews marry nonJews. Male Jews that become Messianic Believers marry nonJews and therefore they have no Jewish children.
 
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My fellow brothers, remember the two most commandments on which Yeshua said all of the Law and Prophets are based on. They are "Love the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength" and "Love your nieghbor as you love yourself". Simple as that and nothing more. If all of us can simply follow these two commands and not hate our fellow believers, then we would all be united in mind and spirit as Lord is. However, our pride and arrogance makes it hard to do so when it comes to one particular issue in this growing messianic movement when it comes to seperating ourselves from the christian body.

I have to agree with you on this. The greatest commandment is to love.

Remember in Romans (I think that is the book) where Peter was not wanting to fellowship with the Gentiles..and Paul admonished him for it? He told him that there is no differance between us. :clap:

And that is the thing. If we are one in Jesus as brother and sisters....then we should not be looking for ways that separate us.

This is not the heart of Yeshua.

For Christians and Jews to be able to come together in unity is what my hearts desire is. For the old wounds to be mended.

If I, as a Gentile, can make friends with some Orthodox people...then surely...we as fellow brothers and sisters in Yeshua can unite together and be one in Him....Jew and Gentile.
:groupray:

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Am I mistaken? I know of several messianic believers that have married nonJews. So the assimilation and dying out of Jewish blood is taken place now. Think about it. Secular Jews marry nonJews. Male Jews that become Messianic Believers marry nonJews and therefore they have no Jewish children.
Intermarriage is indeed one of the primary threats to the Jewish people. Since 1985, half the marriages of Jews in general are outside the faith (not just messianics). In cases of intermarriage, the grandchildren are almost inevitably lost to Israel. It's something for all Jews to think about.
 
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Paul ...told him that there is no differance between us.
Paul taught that we were equal before God, Jew and gentile, male and female, slave and free. Paul never taught that there was no difference between men and women, or Jews and gentiles.

Remember that it is G-d that seperated Israel from the Nations. Who are we to order G-d around and tell Him it ain't right?
 
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Hi Gertzedek...

In Romans chapter 10:12

For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile. The same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on Him.

Yes...God said that the Jews are His chosen. They are the Apple of His eye.

God loves them dearly.

But God also loves the Gentiles. They also are His creation.

Paul (a Jew) applied a scripture in Hosea to the Gentiles.

Hosea 2:23

I will show my love to the one I called 'Not my loved one'. I will say to those called 'Not my people', You are my people. And they will say, You are my God.

The Jews have a special convenant with God. And God will not break that.

However....the Gentiles who have accepted Him are also grafted into that vine.

We are also a part of that promise then.:clap:

God bless you.

Am Yisroel Chai!

Chloe
 
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I believe that God is starting to move christians back to their Jewish roots (faith), therefore hopefully all the baggage that has been added over these past 2 thousand years will start to fall away and the truth will be seen, then as Jews and Gentiles we really shall be one.

I'm afraid I'll still like eating bacon sandwiches, I hope you can forgive me that :)

Catrin xx
 
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InFaithOnly, a friend of our Lord and Messiah Yeshua(Jesus).

To all who seek unity among our brotherhood of believers.

while I understand your views to a point, I must disagree with one part.

As Messianics we need to divorce ourselves from the gentile churches. We are Jews, we worship as Jews, and we need to be seen as different from the gentile followers of Y'shua.

Unless we do this there will be no believing remnant; we will have assimilated and die out/



Where does the Bible teach that believing Jews need to seperate themselves from believing gentiles, or else they will "die out?" What you are saying is very unscriptural.

Did Paul teach that Jews need to seperate from their believing gentile brothers and sisters? I feel saddened when I read posts with this spirit...G-d is not for what you are suggesting here. Does not the Bible promise that the remnant will be saved? G-d will do it, and He does not have to seperate believing Jews from Gentiles in order to do that?


Please, read about what the Bible says about the unity in Yeshua for Jews and Gentiles, and reconsider your views.


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Last night I was thinking about the OP's remarlks about how the book of Joel says that G-d will raise up a mighty army in the last days. The the L-rd spoke to me and said that this is why we should be praying this prayer - from Joel - for Israel:


Joel 2
Let the priests, who minister before the LORD,
weep between the temple porch and the altar.
Let them say, "Spare your people, O LORD.
Do not make your inheritance an object of scorn,
a byword among the nations.
Why should they say among the peoples,
'Where is their God?' "



This will be the result:


"Then the LORD will be jealous for his land
and take pity on his people. "




Come on, army of the L-rd, let us be united!
NASA
 
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Hi Gertzedek...

In Romans chapter 10:12



Yes...God said that the Jews are His chosen. They are the Apple of His eye.

God loves them dearly.

But God also loves the Gentiles. They also are His creation.

Paul (a Jew) applied a scripture in Hosea to the Gentiles.

Hosea 2:23



The Jews have a special convenant with God. And God will not break that.

However....the Gentiles who have accepted Him are also grafted into that vine.

We are also a part of that promise then.:clap:

God bless you.

Am Yisroel Chai!

Chloe
I don't see where anything you wrote disagreed with anything I wrote. Could it be... maybe... yes... I do think we agree. We are just starting at opposite ends of the sentence. You are worried about people saying gentiles are somehow less. I am worried about people blurring the lines between Israel and the Nations, and assimilating Jews. But we are saying the same thing.
 
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