Baptism--Absolutely necessary?

Agreed. But I got saved, then I read lots of christian books and one told me how to get the Baptism of the Holy spirit and I did. It was 4 months later.

HowardDean said:

Agreed. But I got saved, then I read lots of christian books and one told me how to get the Baptism of the Holy spirit and I did. It was 4 months later.

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What do you feel are the results of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Anyway, I personally feel that every saved person receives the Baptism of the Holy Spirit at the moment they are saved, not four months later.

It was amazing. I got the how to from a book. The effevct was all fear was gone. I had had much fear in my life. It was of course less after I was saved, but at that moment of B-i-H-S, all fear left and I was not scared at night.
Had I known sooner, I would've done it sooner. I knew nothing when I got saved, so I went and read lots.

HowardDean said:

Agreed. But I got saved, then I read lots of christian books and one told me how to get the Baptism of the Holy spirit and I did. It was 4 months later.

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Why not read the words of the saints and realise that baptism of the spirit leads one to all truth and knowledge of prophecy [John 16:13]... then one might reconsider what sinners teach and realise that as a sinner one does not know Jesus :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.[sin]

Thus at Jesus' return HE himself says that he will NOT take sinners ... why then listen to sinners dressed up in robes who say he will ???

Surely Jesus knows who he will take, and actually lists them, just 144,000 firstfruits, in Rev 7:3-8...

What use pretending Jesus is your lord if you cannot obey him and cease sinning as the saints do ??? Jesus will not be fooled ,nor listen to the sinners who taught you, who themselves likely were fooled by other sinners... sooner or later one has to go back to what Jesus ACTUALLY says ...

then one sees why only FEW go by the narrow strait way of being saints in this world, but the many go by the broad way through destruction in death ALSO to Jesus ... again it is Jesus who says so -Rev 7:9-10 - but the many go AFTER WARD ... not at his return , since he can only take those perfected in love during their life, and as we know MOST christians and most other men die as sinners, not perfected in love, not saints in this life...

So why do the saints have grace in this life, and why are the many destroyed by death?

Again the scripture explains, but who can listen with the clamour of sinners to believe them instead ringing out in hundreds of thosuands of diverse creeds of supposed christianity throughout the world [how can so many different beliefs be one truth of God...? ... they simply cannot be , and if one troubles to check all the scripture, none of them agree with the WHOLE truth in scripture ,all of it ... yet all of it must eb one integrated truth else it is not the word of God and one's faith is in vain...

God actually troubles to explain that the firstfruits are chosen to be first only because he requires the perfect priesthood set up first so as to be able to minister in His kingdom... it is really obvious that one needs the priests and kings at the beginning, so the must be first... what is astounding is that so many read the bible and still refuse to accept this ,simmply vbecause sinners tell them it isn't so despite that it is written down with God's authority..

Why do people think that God bothers to resurrect sinners at the second resurrection, if they believe what sinners teach, that there is no hope unless one knows Jesus in this world... especially when Jesus actually says that he NEVER knew any sinner [Matt 7:23 above]

Rather then understand the scripture that Jesus will save the many afterward ,that he cannot take sinners at his return, but will set up the perfect priesthood to minister to the masses and save them AFYERWARD in the kingdom of God come to all men [whereas now it is nly in the hearts of the few saints]

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HowardDean said:

It was amazing. I got the how to from a book. The effevct was all fear was gone. I had had much fear in my life. It was of course less after I was saved, but at that moment of B-i-H-S, all fear left and I was not scared at night.
Had I known sooner, I would've done it sooner. I knew nothing when I got saved, so I went and read lots.

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Reading is always a good thing. I recommend the book Eternal Security by Charles Stanley if you haven't already read it.

PeaceLover02 said:

Reading is always a good thing. I recommend the book Eternal Security by Charles Stanley if you haven't already read it.

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If you've gotta read, then read the saints and prophets and understand them, before tackling the wiles of Satan in the books of sinners ....

stranger said:

God actually troubles to explain that the firstfruits are chosen to be first only because he requires the perfect priesthood set up first so as to be able to minister in His kingdom... it is really obvious that one needs the priests and kings at the beginning, so the must be first... what is astounding is that so many read the bible and still refuse to accept this ,simmply vbecause sinners tell them it isn't so despite that it is written down with God's authority..

Why do people think that God bothers to resurrect sinners at the second resurrection, if they believe what sinners teach, that there is no hope unless one knows Jesus in this world... especially when Jesus actually says that he NEVER knew any sinner [Matt 7:23 above]

Rather then understand the scripture that Jesus will save the many afterward ,that he cannot take sinners at his return, but will set up the perfect priesthood to minister to the masses and save them AFYERWARD in the kingdom of God come to all men [whereas now it is nly in the hearts of the few saints]

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"Let us pay much closer attention to the gospel we have recieved; we will not escape if we neglect it."

I do not know what you are preaching here, but this is not the Gospel by which I am saved, and this is not the Gospel in my Bible.

Epiphoskei said:

"Let us pay much closer attention to the gospel we have recieved; we will not escape if we neglect it."

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Dunno who you are quoting, but that ain't my beliefe ,nor is it my words [it would be useful if you said, instaed of leaving your post so ambiguous and so misleading to all others]

I do not know what you are preaching here, but this is not the Gospel by which I am saved, and this is not the Gospel in my Bible.

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since not even the saints are redeemed by translation to spirit at Jesus' return, it is far from clear to me how anyone can be 'saved' already, but I know of hundeds of sinners whoi think they can be saved whilst still sinners.... the woe of their believing sinners instread of Jesus is guaranteed by this statement by Jesus about his return:-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.[sin]

So Jesus is rather clear, no sinners becauuse he never knew them - even if they think they knew him cos' sinners taught that he did , even if the call him lord, lord... since a sinner is someone who sins, and sin is breaking Jesus command to love... thus sinners do not obey Jesus as lord, so he ain't the lord of sinners [and we know who is of course]

Thus who do you believe , what Jess said or what sinners teach in modern religion ?

It is a telling question, but has absolutely nothing to do with me , I just pointed out what Jesus said in scripture , its not my teaching, but his... read it in YOUR own bible.. then you tell me what it says that Jesus says ....

As for the gospel, the scripture is very clear that the gospel is the Jesus is the massiah of Israel, the promised Christ who will unite the two Houses back into one nation agaian, the one king who unites two lines of kings [Houses] :-

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Since God's prophecies must come true, we know that either Jesus is the Christ of Israel or someone else has to be.... the NT goes a long way to showing that he is indeed the new king of Israel, buthe does not unite Israel in THIS world :-

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:

Thus the Jews who reject him still are mistaken because they still expect a king to rule them and the House of Israel in this world... and christians are mostly mistaken because they do not read the OT prophecies of God , rejecting God's prophets just because Israel broke the ol covenant... what an absurd mistake ... Israel indeed broke the covenant, but the prophets of God tell the truth... the two are unrelated ...

Worse still for christians, they never read the new covenant [Heb 8:8-12] else they would know that it states explicitly that those whose fathers broke the old covenant are NOW FORGIVEN unconditionally by God, who takes them as His people...

Read what it says, only those whose fathers broke the old covenant, so all who are given grace by the new covenant are descendants [genetically] of Jacob, just as God promised in the OT too ...the promise is by descent even though many of Israel cannot be first redeemed because they dies sinners not believeing in Jesus as the messiah.... so not all of Israel will be saints in this life , but conversely all saints are of Israel, and Jesus even lists their tribes in Rev 7:3-8] by name of the son of Jacob from whom they ae genetically descended [bar a few strangers who join Israel under God's Laws , who are regarded by God as belonging to whatever tribe they join]

Thus neither most Jews nor most christians has the true gospel of scripyture these days, but false gospels abound in this world, a different one in every chuch it seems ... some even keep the birth of Jesus and forget that he set Passover as the remembrance of his death... Jesus the Jew never celebrated a birthday in his life [and the tree maji arrived from babylon when he was a toddler,not at his birth, scripture records that too, but is ignored]

So i wnder if you raed all God's scripture carefully and understood it before deciding what the gospel is, or whether, like almost everyone, you just heard it [from a sinner... not a saint or prophet of God] ?

PeaceLover02 said:

What do you feel are the results of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Anyway, I personally feel that every saved person receives the Baptism of the Holy Spirit at the moment they are saved, not four months later.

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I know, had I known about the baptism at salvation, I would've prayed for it then.
AM checking the library system for Eternal Security, thanks.

stranger said:

If you've gotta read, then read the saints and prophets and understand them, before tackling the wiles of Satan in the books of sinners ....

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Sorry but I would much rather read God's holy word. It contains all the Truth that there is that one needs to know. The writings of so called "saints" do not.

Where is thatverse which says God's word is profitable for all edifying, etc. I am so bad at remembering verses.

I think it's one of those Timothies 3:16. Famous verses seem to end up getting referenced 3:16...

PeaceLover02 said:

Sorry but I would much rather read God's holy word. It contains all the Truth that there is that one needs to know. The writings of so called "saints" do not.

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I didn't yas 'socalled saints' , I said saints and prophets, and i was referring to the scripture , not the works of 'saintd' who were in fact sinners...

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
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1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of
spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
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1 Corinthians 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

2 Corinthians 12:19 Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ: but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
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Ephesians 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
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Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

PeaceLover02 said:

Sorry but I would much rather read God's holy word. It contains all the Truth that there is that one needs to know. The writings of so called "saints" do not.

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Your loss.

PeaceLover02 said:

Sorry but I would much rather read God's holy word. It contains all the Truth that there is that one needs to know. The writings of so called "saints" do not.

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Do you ever read evangelical christian books? Bible study guides? Listen to sermons?

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I think it's something we should all do, a public display I guess. I don't think if we don't do that we're damned though. I like reading books by other christians, for knowledge.