Born Agains and Catholics

UnitedInChrist · Mar 25, 2007

I always get confused here, so looking to hear more from NON CATHOLICS on this point. I've been involved with the Catholic church for many years. Schooled, etc... Catholics "acknowledge ONE BAPTISIM for the forgiveness of sins". Period. End of story. Many other Christians preach that one must be "born again" in order to be saved.

Last I heard, the PLANET EARTH is made up of approx 78% ROMAN CATHOLICS. Keeping in mind, that it was the Catholics that are the original writers of the bible. Through politics, divorce, different beliefs, etc...all the denominations that we have today have sprung up. The true foundation, and base of all Christianity is Catholicism. Now, my question is are those that believe in being "born again" the only ones making it to heaven? We are baptized once, as an infant, and that is all that is necessary. There is no need to be "reborn" if you've always had the faith, and always lead a Christian life. So, what's the deal here. ??? Like to hear the opinions of those that say "they know the truth". According to them, the majority of people in the world have it wrong.

Thanks. Please, don't flame. Just give view points. Thanks!!! Peace!!

catlover · Mar 25, 2007

Catholics do not hold the monopoly on truth and neither do born again Christians. Both are Christian IMHO.

eastcoast_bsc · Mar 25, 2007

rick0824 said:
I always get confused here, so looking to hear more from NON CATHOLICS on this point. I've been involved with the Catholic church for many years. Schooled, etc... Catholics "acknowledge ONE BAPTISIM for the forgiveness of sins". Period. End of story. Many other Christians preach that one must be "born again" in order to be saved.

Last I heard, the PLANET EARTH is made up of approx 78% ROMAN CATHOLICS. Keeping in mind, that it was the Catholics that are the original writers of the bible. Through politics, divorce, different beliefs, etc...all the denominations that we have today have sprung up. The true foundation, and base of all Christianity is Catholicism. Now, my question is are those that believe in being "born again" the only ones making it to heaven? We are baptized once, as an infant, and that is all that is necessary. There is no need to be "reborn" if you've always had the faith, and always lead a Christian life. So, what's the deal here. ??? Like to hear the opinions of those that say "they know the truth". According to them, the majority of people in the world have it wrong.

Thanks. Please, don't flame. Just give view points. Thanks!!! Peace!!

The Catholic Charismatic renewal believes in baptism of the Holy spirit. Are you familiar with this group? They are throughout the US and world.

intricatic · Mar 25, 2007

According to them, the majority of people in the world have it wrong.

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
(Matthew 7)

No, Jesus said it.

eastcoast_bsc · Mar 25, 2007

intricatic said:
13 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
(Matthew 7)

No, Jesus said it.

I keep bumping into the gate

People I kid

oberland · Mar 25, 2007

[FONT=&quot]Hi rick0824,[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The true basis of Christianity is Christ, and that I think sums up the difference between those who put their trust in their eternal destination on Christ’s atoning death, and those people, Catholic or otherwise who put their trust in a denomination or belief system.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There will be no Catholics in heaven, no Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals etc, only those who believe that Christ died for their sins, was buried and rose again on the third day.[/FONT]

catlover · Mar 25, 2007

oberland said:
[FONT=&quot]Hi rick0824,[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The true basis of Christianity is Christ, and that I think sums up the difference between those who put their trust in their eternal destination on Christs atoning death, and those people, Catholic or otherwise who put their trust in a denomination or belief system.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There will be no Catholics in heaven, no Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals etc, only those who believe that Christ died for their sins, was buried and rose again on the third day.[/FONT]

I cannot disagree with your post, right on.

HisKid1973 · Mar 25, 2007

oberland said:
[FONT=&quot]Hi rick0824,[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The true basis of Christianity is Christ, and that I think sums up the difference between those who put their trust in their eternal destination on Christ’s atoning death, and those people, Catholic or otherwise who put their trust in a denomination or belief system.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There will be no Catholics in heaven, no Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals etc, only those who believe that Christ died for their sins, was buried and rose again on the third day.[/FONT]

Preach it brother..It's all about "knowing" Christ Jesus...He said depart for I don't "know" you.. not depart because you didn't do the "work"

HypnoToad · Mar 25, 2007

Ok, here's what I see in the OP -

"I don't understand this: RC says this, others say that. Since RC is right and everyone else is wrong, how can they have that position?"

It's hard to think that you're actually looking to understand when you're starting from that position. You may have meant something else, Rick, but that's really what your OP looks like to me.

Dannager · Mar 25, 2007

rick0824 said:
Last I heard, the PLANET EARTH is made up of approx 78% ROMAN CATHOLICS.

You were lied to. The Roman Catholic population clocks in at a tepid 17% of total world population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...ions_or_belief_systems_by_number_of_adherents

Myriah · Mar 25, 2007

oberland said:
[FONT=&quot]Hi rick0824,[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The true basis of Christianity is Christ, and that I think sums up the difference between those who put their trust in their eternal destination on Christs atoning death, and those people, Catholic or otherwise who put their trust in a denomination or belief system.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There will be no Catholics in heaven, no Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals etc, only those who believe that Christ died for their sins, was buried and rose again on the third day.[/FONT]

Perfect post.

God bless!

bliz · Mar 25, 2007

God has no grandchildren.

Each of us must confess our sins and ask for forgivness from God individually in order to be a Christian. It does not matter what our parents did or believed, if we are baptised or not or what church we are a member of. No one is born into the family of God.

Phil4987 · Mar 25, 2007

Who cares. Catholics are Christian's, thus they can go to heaven as well.

tulc · Mar 25, 2007

Keeping in mind, that it was the Catholics that are the original writers of the bible.

uhmmm that's not actually true. There wasn't even a Church (let alone a Catholic Church) for most of the writing. :sorry:

Through politics, divorce, different beliefs, etc...all the denominations that we have today have sprung up. The true foundation, and base of all Christianity is Catholicism.

That's true, just not Roman Catholicism.

tulc(history just doesn't back up your beliefs, sorry)

Dannager · Mar 25, 2007

tulc said:
uhmmm that's not actually true. There wasn't even a Church (let alone a Catholic Church) for most of the writing.

That's true, just not Roman Catholicism.
tulc(history just doesn't back up your beliefs, sorry)

tulc speaks the truth, as usual.

AvgJoe · Mar 25, 2007

rick0824 said:
Keeping in mind, that it was the Catholics that are the original writers of the bible.

No, it was the apostles who wrote the New Testament. The Roman Catholicism that you were raised in did not get its start until after 378AD. That is a long time after the Bible was written. Before 378AD, the church may have been referred to as the catholic church but that was simply to say the universal church. The word catholic means universal. As for the Old Testament writers, obviously, they were not Roman Catholics, either.

rick0824 said:
Through politics, divorce, different beliefs, etc...all the denominations that we have today have sprung up.

Through politics we see the beginning of Roman Catholicism during the reign of Emperor Theodosius (AD 378-398), when he made Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire and made church membership compulsory. All unconverted people attended church. The Roman Empire had conquered the church, the church became a political organization, ministers became priests and Roman Catholicism was born.

rick0824 said:
The true foundation, and base of all Christianity is Catholicism.

Wow, this statement says that your faith is in Catholicism. 1 Corinthains 3:11 says, "For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ." Jesus is the foundation, even the chief cornerstone, of Christianity, not Catholicism.

Speaking of Jesus, Acts 4:12 says, "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." Jesus should be the focus of your faith, not Catholicism.

Christianity is all about Jesus, not a religion.

rick0824 said:
Now, my question is are those that believe in being "born again" the only ones making it to heaven?

Yes! In John 3:3,7(AMP) Jesus told Nicodemus, "3) Jesus answered him, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that unless a person is born again (anew, from above), he cannot ever see (know, be acquainted with, and experience) the kingdom of God. 7) Marvel not [do not be surprised, astonished] at My telling you, You must all be born anew (from above)."

See, this "born again" stuff is not some new invention of recent times, no, it is the basis for entry into the Kingdom of God as told to us by Jesus Himself, over 2000 years ago.

rick0824 said:
We are baptized once, as an infant, and that is all that is necessary. There is no need to be "reborn" if you've always had the faith, and always lead a Christian life. So, what's the deal here.

Baptized as an infant? That is all that is necessary?

At the beginning of His ministry, in Mark 1:15 Jesus says, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." Here, Jesus tells us how to be born again, repent and believe the gospel. Baptism alone is not enough.

Can an infant repent? What does it mean to repent? To have a change of mind which issues in regret for past sins and in change of conduct for the better.

Can an infant do that? Change his/her mind, regret past sins and change his/her conduct for the better?

No, an infant cannot do these things, an infant cannot repent! And Jesus said, "...unless you repent, you will all likewise perish." (Luke 13:3)

Can an infant believe the gospel? If you explained the gospel to an infant 100 times they still would not know what you're talking about, much less be able to believe it.

You say being baptized as an infant is all that is necessary, Jesus said differently, repent and believe the Gospel.

Will you continue to place your faith in Roman Catholicism and their message or will you place your faith in Jesus and His message?

ContentInHim · Mar 25, 2007

Dannager said:
You were lied to. The Roman Catholic population clocks in at a tepid 17% of total world population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...ions_or_belief_systems_by_number_of_adherents

That's what I was thinking. Real rough numbers. World population = about 7 billion. Catholic believers = about 1 billion. :scratch:

ContentInHim · Mar 25, 2007

Keeping in mind, that it was the Catholics that are the original writers of the bible.

Actually, it was the Jews who wrote the Bible - except for Luke who might not have been Jewish!

Brieuse · Mar 26, 2007

Dannager said:
You were lied to. The Roman Catholic population clocks in at a tepid 17% of total world population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_...ions_or_belief_systems_by_number_of_adherents

Is the concept of praying to Mary an original concept of Catholics or did it come about over the centuries?

I find it odd to pray to Mary, "Hail Mary Mother of God" etc

UnitedInChrist · Mar 26, 2007

catlover said:
Catholics do not hold the monopoly on truth and neither do born again Christians. Both are Christian IMHO.

I agree with you. I didn't mean for u to think otherwise.

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