christians having sex BEFORE marriage???

Nicely put e4: (in fact, I used a very similar comment to a young woman only a few days back (sticky tape is a better example than glue)) - a tad late for her to be avoiding pre-marital sex, but. The only point at which there might be disagreement between us is (a possible) conflict when it comes to defining marriage.

Zac - Aunti Belle Um was exactly correct. Swyving establishes a marriage, parting afterwards constitutes divorce.

Swyving ?

Interesting to note that there is NO marriage ceremony in the Bible.

In Hebrew culture one might jump over a broom with one's intended in the town square. Other cultures had their own ceremonies, which were recognized by the Hebrew cultures.

My point? I believe that you are married under God's eyes when you say you are or act as though you are.

Fulfilling the legal obligation in your culture falls under "Rendering to Ceasar what is Ceasers."

e4 - a resurrected word from the distant past. (American spelling usually shows an i for the y) Roughly akin to coitus or various other terms involving the shared use of genitals (of opposite gender).

The beauty of the word is that swyving must at all times be a shared activity. One cannot swyve to another, nor can one swyve another (though two, or a couple, may swyve), one can only swyve with another.

Oh, and yes. One of the books of the apocrypha (can't remember which one but) details the procedures involved in marriage. it was a contract signed by the groom and the bride's father.

Its already been said that sex with more than one person unless widowed is adultry. Within marrage and in gods eyes its the sex that marries us which is why a marrage cannot be unnulled after sex has taken place. Basically the two bodies become one flesh and all that. Adultry is breaking one of gods commandments.

As a teenager myself i share your sympathy god created sex and all the conciquences. Sex is the ultimate act of love between a couple and is supposed to show ultimate trust within a loving marrage.

As you are posting her in confusion im assuming you take your faith seriously otherwise you would have given in by now and done it. If you love this guy enougth to want to commit and have sex with him they why not make that a life commitment and marry him. Big step I know but so is sex its just the world has become so obsessed with it that it gives the opinion its right.

You need to do a study on Song of Solomon. It spells it all out.

Its already been said that sex with more than one person unless widowed is adultry. Within marrage and in gods eyes its the sex that marries us

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According to Paul, when a man has swyved with a harlot, the two have been made one flesh. "Within marriage"?

Originally posted by e4God
Interesting to note that there is NO marriage ceremony in the Bible.

In Hebrew culture one might jump over a broom with one's intended in the town square. Other cultures had their own ceremonies, which were recognized by the Hebrew cultures.

My point? I believe that you are married under God's eyes when you say you are or act as though you are.

Fulfilling the legal obligation in your culture falls under "Rendering to Ceasar what is Ceasers."

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If there were no marriage ceremony in the Bible then where was Jesus when he turned the water into wine if not a wedding?

John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there;
2 and both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding .
3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus *said to Him, "They have no wine."


And surely Jesus knew what he was talking about concerning Noah's day?

Mt 24:38
"For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage , until the day that Noah entered the ark ,

If there were no marriage ceremony in the Bible then where was Jesus when he turned the water into wine if not a wedding?

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The passage refers to a party in celebration of the couple's entering into partnership. No wedding ceremony is even mentioned - just a
"reception" as it were.

As to marrying and giving in marriage in Noah's day - again, no mention of a wedding ceremony. Odd don't you think - no reference anywhere in the Bible of an officiating priest or any other functionary for the occasion of joining a couple as man and wife.

But perhaps Paul's word on the topic is not good enough. Do you have another and more reliable witness to cite that contradicts his word on this topic. Or perhaps you consider Paul's declaration that it is improper (a sin even) to be joined to a harlot as one flesh somehow changes his statement that it has been done to it hasn't been done?

take from one with personal experience, don't give in. Your friends may not see any conseqences now, even maybe never but they have choosen the status quo. God has the best planned for you, not the boring norm. When one wants the best it requires some deferring of pleasure for the right time, like sportspeople training for the Olympics.

"Odd don't you think - no reference anywhere in the Bible of an officiating priest or any other functionary for the occasion of joining a couple as man and wife."
No, what was needed was a public display to tell people they were married, that has been transformed into the marrage cerimony. The feast that lasted days was what was replaced.

Actually no. Public display was not needed - two witnesses were needed, as for all facts. The public display was no more than a celebration of the fact. And in the time of Martin Luther, it was the required custom to have witnesses to the consummation of a marriage - they were expected to be there when the couple swyved for the first time.

 

Abraham took Sarah to his tent and there married her. Only two people were present - what did "marry" mean in this context?

Genesis 11:28-30  “And A'bram and Na'hor proceeded to take wives for themselves. The name of A'bram’s wife was Sar'ai, while the name of Na'hor’s wife was Mil'cah, the daughter of Ha'ran, the father of Mil'cah and father of Is'cah”.

There is no mention of how many witnesses were present here.

As to weddings, the central and characteristic feature was the solemn bringing of the bride from her father’s home to her husband’s home on the date agreed upon, in which act the significance of marriage as representing admission of the bride into the family of her husband found expression. Matthew 1:24. “Then Joseph woke up from his sleep and did as the angel of The Lord had directed him, and he took his wife home”. This constituted the wedding in patriarchal days before the Law. It was altogether a civil affair. There was no religious ceremony or form, and no priest or clergyman officiated or validated the marriage. The bridegroom took the bride to his house or to the tent or house of his parents. The matter was publicly made known, acknowledged, and recorded, and the marriage was binding. Genesis 24:66-67 “After that Isaac brought her into the tent of Sarah his mother. Thus he took Re·bek'ah and she became his wife; and he fell in love with her, and Isaac found comfort after the loss of his mother”.

"Public display was not needed - two witnesses were needed, as for all facts. "

You seem to miss out on the feast that took place when "marrage" happened in the OT?

Sex before marriage is NOT a sin. It is a way of showing your love for your partner. Marriage is bound to corrupt and for those who won't get married, why save sex for marriage? I'm not even sure if I'm getting married yet...but if I don't why souldn't I enjoy sex with the one I love? To be a virgin all your life and not get married...isn't that pointless? I believe strongly in soul-mates and if my girlfriend and I decided to have sex and we weren't married, it would be our business and our decision.

Not to mention that we'd consult Christ's opinion on the matter. If HE said it was Ok and that we weren't destined for marriage, then we'd have sexual intercourse. What I don't understand with the "Abstinence" issue is if one is not going to get married, why be a virgin all your life? Sex is a gift from God, so why not as Nike put is "Just Do It"? My girlfriend and I can never be married, because our bodies need different climates to survive. She needs the dry climate, I need the humid climate. Even though I swore when I first met her to God that I'd marry her, I doubt that vow now.

Since we both need opposite climates to survive, marriage is out of the question. So why is we can't have sex with each other for the soul purpose of love? The purpose of life is this:

1.) Share Love

2.) Create

3.) Live for Christ


We both are Christians. We both go to Church, pray, read the Bible, etc. I talk on 3 Christian forums online, go to Church 2 times a week, listen to CCM, read Christian books, pray daily, support two ministries, & am an Online Evangelist. That's alot of Christian things I do. All I am saying is couples who need different climates to survive and refuse to be married, why can't they have sexual intercourse for the soul purpose of love?

Karly: You got some really great advice and there is no way you can go wrong is you take them to heart. The most important thing to remember is that your body is the temple of the Lord, and in the same manner we treat natural temples with reverence and respect, how much greater we are to treat the temple in which God resides? In 1 Corinthians 6:19, 20 we are reminded: "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Sex outside of marriage grieves the Holy Spirit, and breaks the heart of God. It was not what He intended, and while it may seem your friends are having sex and doing OK. it does not mean that there is nothing wrong with what they are doing.

Do not let the devil mess with your head. While you will not find a verse that says: "Thou shall not have sex outside of marriage", as others have pointed out, it is covered under sexual immorality and fornication. The only winner in this situation, should you and your boyfriend give in, is the enemy. There is no way you can win.

Another thought: if all your friends do is talk about sex, you need to re-evaluate those friendships. Find some friends who can encourage you in the Lord and who can hold you accountable. God has a plan for your life (Jeremiah 29:11) and seeing those plans come to you blessed, doesn't it make sense to seek them out? Yes, it is challenging when harmones come to the fore, but the Holy Spirit of God is more than capable of taking you and your boyfriend beyond your human limitations. Again we are reminded: "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." Yeild yourself to the Holy Spirit, spend time in the Word, and allow the Spirit of God to work in your life that you will live same in a manner that brings glory to Him, and much blessings to you. God bless.

OK, so I'm a virgin and I will be when and if I get married.
Karly, you have to be very careful when you search through the Bible, there are many times where people use and manipulate the Bible to fit their lifestyles.

The main reason I don't want to lose my virginity until after marriage, is because of the bond that I want to keep with my partner and God.

Though I more enjoy single life, my inertia from within keeps me from staying single, so eventually I'll have to find a woman to become my wife. But for the mean time, I meditate a bit to relieve the stress......