Floyd Landis

Andyman_1970 said:

I never mentioned he was dehydrated. I simply used Lance as an example of they can endure things that normal people would not be able to, and as such, their physiology is different than “normal” people.

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Yes, but the idea that he was dehydrated has been completely discreditted, as has been the idea that whiskey caused the imbalance.

Stage 11 was 7 days before stage 16 on which Floyd “bonked”, so his hydration on stage 11 is irrelevant to his condition on stage 16.

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My mistake. I typed the wrong number. It was on stage 16 that he was so far out ahead of everyone else that he was actually riding beside the supply truck that kept giving him all the water he wanted.

When an athlete “bonks” their body chemistry is all out of whack. It wouldn’t surprise me, if even a small amount of alcohol, along with his messed up body chemistry contributed to such an abnormal ratio reading. I’ve read more than one Dr. suggest the same thing with regards to Floyd’s testosterone ratio.

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Nope, even his own doctor has said it can't explain his ratio. It might have contrbuted to a small amount of the imbalance, like less than 5%, but overall, he would have needed to drink 5 quarts to get those results. Two quarts would have knocked him out of the race do to hangover, three quarts would have killed him. His doctor's theory is that the lab tech did the test wrong. I think Floyd should have stuck to that explanation until proven otherwise.

Actually the science regarding this condition, an abnormal ratio, is actually quite lacking, every instance of a cyclist testing positive for an abnormal ratio has been able to prove it was because of naturally occurring circumstances. The WADA readily agree’s there is something to be desired regarding their testosterone testing.

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Which is why it's so ridiculous for him to be acting like a guilty man.

Technically an abnormal ratio is not “doping” per se, testosterone is not a banned substance according to the UCI.

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True. They are saying the imbalance is a symptom of acute steroid use, and is not doping in and of itself.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=2277195 He not only tested positive, the results of other tests confirmed that the extra testosterone was exogenic, meaning it was not produced by Landis's body. The newest explanation: Someone spiked his water/whiskey/food with testosterone.

I feel utterly and totally sad about this. I just feel so let down. His community and his family must feel devasted.

They said on the radio today that his mennonite community has unanimously said they stand behind him. It's the only good thing about this incident.

BEsides- it takes up to 4 months before the effects of Testosterone take hold!

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I was talking to my cousin the doctor this week and he said it is a common misconception that steroids take months to be effective, but he said the effects of most hormones "take hold" very rapidly, like within minutes to hours. That's why people who are allergic to bees carry and "epi-pen" full of steroids that will stop an allergic reaction within seconds.

He reminded me about how quickly synthetic thyroid hormones worked for me. I took my first dose and started feeling better within hours. I got my first whole night's sleep in three years that night because of the drug.

Then we looked at some pictures of known steroid users, a couple of famous bodybuilders, before and after steroids, and with steroids they started to bulk up and get stronger within a few days of starting the drugs. Baseball players say they can hit the ball harder the next day.

Steroids and hormones can be fast-acting and can produce changes in the body very rapidly. Men undergoing estrogen therapy report that the growth of facial hair slows down the very next day after they start taking it.

It may take 4 months of continuous use to make significant and noticable changes in the body, but testosterone would give an athlete a boost right away.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14222191/

I want to believe Floyd.

I'm having trouble with new threads. Is anyone else?

The supposed final word on what happened with Floyd Landis:

The other tests didn't come up positive because they weren't subjected to the isotope test. Landis tested positive for an elevated RATIO of testosterone to epitestosterone. You can still have a balanced ratio of those hormones, but still have elevated levels in your system. Also, both of those hormones can be synthesized. On the days Landis tested clean, I would bet that he was taking BOTH hormones to keep his ratio even. On the day he tested positive, he forgot to take (or didn't take enough) epitestosterone. After all, he was supposedly drinking whiskey and beer the night before, and perhaps a little hung over that morning... I bet that if Landis' other samples were re-tested for artificial testosterone, they would come up positive as well.

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