America is Mystery Babylon/Babylon the Great of the End Times

Warrior4ChristAL · Jul 7, 2006

America is filled with symbols and idols, but what do they really mean?

Zadok mocks YHWH because YHWH demanded that the oblisks be destroyed and yet, we Americans have our own oblisks in our nation a CHRISTIAN nation. What makes us any different than the ancient Greeks who resurrected statues to "their" gods?

I see nothing different!

Did YHWH instruct the founders of this nation to resurrect such idols?

What about the Lady in the Harbor. Who does SHE represent? A "female god" perhaps?
The iconography of the Columbian symbol became complicated
early on in our history when Columbus became "Columbia" a female
figure more akin to "liberty" and "American unity" in the public
mind. A lengthy analysis of the history of female representation
in the portrayal of the body politic of a nation is unnecessary
here. Several recent studies by Marina Warner and others have
followed the metamorphoses of the Greek goddess of liberty into
Columbia. These studies have shown the close connection of such
transformation to the French Revolution and European iconography
seeking a chaste mother to represent the ideals of a Republic.
As Warner pointed out in her book, "Monuments and Maidens", the
Statue of Liberty, for example, which is a version of the allego-
ry of Columbia, "anticipates continuously a future that is always
in the process of becoming."
A change toward secularization and feminization began
following the War of Independence when "Columbia" was used as a
unifying force for the thirteenth separate states, and later to
reunify the union after the Civil War. Yet, the older spiritual
meaning attached to Columbus was reborn and reused at the turn of
the twentieth century by American Catholics in their struggle for
equality.
There are many Biblical archetypes in U.S. history--the
exodus, chosen people, promised land, New Jerusalem, sacrificial
death and rebirth. We have developed our own prophets and
martyrs, sacred events and sacred places, our own rituals and
symbols. Christopher Columbus is one of the more interesting of
these and least understood for his life and name came to have
both spiritual and secular meaning.
A definition might be in order at this point: Columbus, is
a Latin masculine noun meaning a male dove. Columba is the
feminine form of the noun. Yet, by the time of the revolution, a
new form of the word had appeared: "Columbia" which was listed
in the "Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia" as "a new Latin form
derived from Columbus. Columbia is the poetical name of the
United States of America."

So, Columbia is to represent a "goddess" of ancient times, renamed LIBERTY as a representation of Christopher Columbus?

Makes sense!

"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."

Warrior4ChristAL · Jul 7, 2006

Acts6:5 said:
The US does not even come close to China's abortion rate. Total annual abortion rates are 7-10 times worse than America's. And China has a forced-abortion policy, while the US does not. I believe you are way off base on this.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

But China is a communist nation, not a Christian one.

Heathens will be heathens.

That is NOT EXCUSE for a nation claiming to be birthed out of Christianity.

I may be offbase with numbers, lady, but NOT with fact.

Why should we expect a communist nation to have morals when the CHRISTIANS don't?

Murder by choice. Real HOLY!!!

brother daniel · Jul 7, 2006

brother daniel said:
The United States of America and Britain are both BEASTS, synthetic persons, the same as ROME, Greece, Persia-IRAN, Babylon-IRAQ, ISRAEL,and Egypt.
And their princes, solders, and police will rob, imprison,and kill anybody who disrespects them
.
Lord forgive them they know not what they do.

Every disciple of Jesus Christ presents themselves as a living sacrafice when they obey him.

There is no city or government that shall stand in face of the wrath of God.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, Paul said Its not I that live but Jesus in me.

Its right to use this forum to warn brethren of the deceptions being thrust upon them in the name of Jesus because they lack knowledge.

When we step out by faith and shout what we have heard in secret its to warn brethren of what is surely to come to pass.

GOD named Jacob, ISRAEL, a man and family. But that did family did not obey its father.
That family wanted to be a kingdom and have a king like every other whoring Kingdom.
God said Okay I will give you a king but you wont like it, and he gave them Saul who was proud and lifted up.Then he gave them a very fine fellow named David who couldnt keep his hand off another mans wife and had her husband killed to cover up his adultry. David should have known better but he repented and was chastised.

Davids son Solomon was a REAL WISE GUY,he had everything and knew everything, but couldnt follow his own advice. He loved too many fancy ladies with their whorish ways and deadly religions

Our Father in Heaven jerked the Kingdom of Israel out from under the house of David and gave it to a bum.

Then ABBA planted the Jews in Babylon-Iraq where they stayed until the Islamics chased them to the wilderness of northern Europe and America with the Askanian horse archers of Israel, Or should I say the Saxons of Ascherlebin.

But the synagogue of Satanic lawyer, scribes followed and sought to destroy with a flood of lies the remenent of ISRAEL, her seed that have the testamony of Jesus Christ and keep the commandments of God.
And the earth helped the the woman and swallowed up the the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

The flood of lies is that there can be peace, health and prosperity when we forget about God and be good scientific business professionals.

Now we are witnessing the fall of America, Mystery Babylon the Great, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
And its the gospel of Jesus Christ thats bringing it down.

Isaiah 34:1
Come near ye nations, to hear and hearken, ye people.Let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world and all things that come forth of it
v.2
For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all nations: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to slaughter.
With love in Christ
brother daniel

Brother Zadok When I first came to this thread I wasnt convinced that the United States was Mystery Babylon the Great but your challanging comments have caused me to pray and look closer.
Now I am sure it is. And I am sure that there is more to the assassins cult of Egypt and Babylon than I want to know.Mohammad got his start in Egypt also.
So much for the MYSTIC SHRINE.
Ben Laden or Bush if you seen one you have seen them all.

I get no pleasure out of this subject, the occult dont mean poop to me but Shakspear might have been right when he said "KILL THE LAWYERS"
Esoteric? Now thats another matter. There is much to be discovered.
Rotten figs, You got that right.
I see too many good men destroyed by rotten figs.
With love in Christ
brother daniel

Warrior4ChristAL · Jul 7, 2006

I am not alone. Our loving Heavenly Father always sends us out 2 by 2.

I stand with my Brother Daniel on this matter. He known the truth. He confirms the truth.

If YHWH is saying anything to America, it is REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND. But, YHWH knows the begining to the end and knows that SHE will not repent of her sins and abominations and He has prophesied her destruction.

If God our Father, did not spare the APPLE OF HIS EYE, ISRAEL, what makes you think that He will spare ANY wicked nation?

I can list thousands of documents that prove America is risen up in rebellion to God, but those who refuse to believe, won't.

I can turn on the news, watch the blasphemous TV programs that plague this nation and then give you scriptures, still, you will not believe.

When I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, so that you do not take part in her sins, and so that you do not share in her plagues; for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities." Revelation 18:4-5

This is a warning from God, our Father and a warning from the Lord Jesus Christ, BABYLON WILL FALL, and He is saying COME OUT OF HER.

One day it will be too late. One day the nations of this world will rise up together to destroy her with FIRE and NOTHING will stop it.

The word "apocalypse" comes from the Greek word meaning "to remove the veil." It suggests that "ordinary" reality is separated from a different reality, a "God's-eye" perspective on the present that is normally hidden. The image is not that of a brick wall, but of a thin, filmy gauze. Just beyond our perception lies an entirely different view. Apocalyptic writing refers to this perspective as "heaven." A major problem in the prophecy readings of apocalyptic literature is the confusion of the normal time-and-space language of daily life with the metaphorical imagery of apocalyptic thought. A reader of Revelation who attempts to construct a literal world from its swirling visions of past and future, heaven and earth, must either ignore the paradoxes or twist the text into bizarre scenarios. John, though, expects his audience to be familiar with the conventions of apocalyptic literature, which means understanding that "heaven" is not either in the sky or after death but co-present with daily life, hidden only by a veil.

John's authority comes not from being a famous apostle or holding some ecclesial office, but from the power of his vision and his sharing in his audience's suffering (Revelation 1:9-11). He is one of them, distinguished only by the wisdom he has been given as a gift from "heaven." Like Daniel before him, John offers his listeners a God's-eye perspective on their situation that is otherwise unavailable to them.

Holy, Holy, Holy

The major theme of Revelation is simple but terrifying in its implications: Worship God! (Revelation 19:10, 22:9). As a Christian text, John's vision adds one element to this basic biblical injunction: "'To the one seated on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!' And the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' And the elders fell down and worshiped" (Revelation 5:13-14). It is God and the crucified Lamb who are worthy of worship. The consequence, of course, is that neither angels nor demons, emperor nor emporium are to share as recipients in that worship.

The command to worship God alone goes back to the Deuteronomic prayer, the Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4-6), which Israelites were to recite incessantly to remind them of their covenant commitment. How hard it is to practice this "simple" commandment! For Israelites and for Christians, the greatest temptation is to forego exclusive worship of Yahweh in favor of the desire to be loved and accepted by one's neighbors and other citizens. Whether struggling over monarchy (1 Samuel 8), honor (Luke 14:12-14), family (Mark 3:32-35), or money (Mark 10:17-27), the urge to do the socially acceptable thing rather than to stand out from the crowd has been a perennial problem for biblical people.

John's audience faced this struggle in the context of the imperial cult practices of their Asian cities. The command he received from the angel was to "write in a book what you see"remove the veil that had allowed the Asian Christians to accommodate to the Empire's dominant culture. The effect of lifting the veil was powerful. What had seemed like simple, daily life choices were revealed to be aspects of a cosmic battle between the angels of Satan and those of God. To collaborate with Roman ways was not an innocuous act, but an act of intercourse with a prostitute (Babylon). In place of citizenship in a degraded city filled with violence and greed, John's vision offered his audience an alternative residence: New Jerusalem "coming down from heaven" (Revelation 21:2, 10). We cannot forget that this choice was not then and is not now between "earth" and "heaven" in the mundane sense of "this life" and "afterlife." The apocalyptic form tells us that John is presenting the Asian Christians with an option that confronts them each moment of their lives. To which "city" will they give allegiance: the prostitute, Babylon, or the bride, New Jerusalem?

FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, many of Revelation's otherwise difficult symbols make sense. Throughout the text, John ruthlessly mocks imperial pretensions to ultimacy by caricaturing the Empire as a shameless harlot who imagines herself to be beautiful (Revelation 17:3-5, for example). Despite the apparent power of Rome's military and economic might, John says, "she" is just another street hooker, trying desperately to lure people into her control. Why consort with such a foul creature, John says, when one can choose the "bride" adorned with divine glory?

To the ordinary eye, John's vision is ridiculous. The Empire holds the real power. When Jesus tried to resist it, he was mocked, tortured, and crucified. Such will be the fate of any who dare to stand against the brutal logic of imperial "persuasion." And indeed, John does not deny that Jesus' followers will likely be subject to the same "honor." This is precisely where the apocalyptic perspective calls one to see beyond the surface of life to the reality hidden just behind the veil. In the end, all empiresBabylon's, Rome's, and today's global capital empirewill fall and return to dust. It is God alone whose strength is enduring.

And thus one finds that the cardinal apocalyptic virtue is endurance (Greek, hupomene); active, public resistance that does not shrink in the face of imperial threats and punishments. To endure is to remain faithful, to stick to one's baptismal commitment to offer worship only to God and to the slaughtered Lamb, the only one found "worthy" to open and read the scroll of history (Revelation 5:2-12). Jesus "read" the history of Israel and understood what no one else did: The Empire is not to be compromised with, accommodated to, or fought against with weapons of destruction. Rather, Jesus defeats the Beast with the two weapons God provides: The "sword" from his mouth (Revelation 1:16, 2:16) and his faithful witness (Revelation 1:5, 3:14).

To become a citizen of New Jerusalem is to follow in these footsteps.
As always, the "sharp, two-edged sword" of God's Word does not offer easy comfort. Instead, it calls us to repentance, resistance, and trust that, despite all appearances to the contrary, the world is in the hands of a good and loving God who reaches out to say, "I will be their God and they will be my children" (Revelation 21:7).

Anti-Christ will sit in the seat of political power, ruling the world through terror and dictatorship.

Christ will return to rule with a rod of iron.

I only pray you are found faithful and ready to face Christ. For none of us are promised tomorrow.

Mock YHWH?

We shall see!!!!!!

Warrior4ChristAL · Jul 8, 2006

Phoenix said:
I couldn't help myself. The gauntlet had been laid down.

Your my hero Zadok7000.

I just dont have the heart anymore to deal with " The Inspired; trying to educate and save everyone before it's too late crowd "

Only Jesus saves.

I'm not out to save anyone, that's not my position in the Kingdom of God. So, that is your error.

I am required by the Lord to share truth, not save their souls.

"One plants, one waters, but God gives the increase".

brother daniel · Jul 8, 2006

Warrior4ChristAL said:
I am not alone. Our loving Heavenly Father always sends us out 2 by 2.

I stand with my Brother Daniel on this matter. He known the truth. He confirms the truth.

If YHWH is saying anything to America, it is REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND. But, YHWH knows the begining to the end and knows that SHE will not repent of her sins and abominations and He has prophesied her destruction.

If God our Father, did not spare the APPLE OF HIS EYE, ISRAEL, what makes you think that He will spare ANY wicked nation?

I can list thousands of documents that prove America is risen up in rebellion to God, but those who refuse to believe, won't.

I can turn on the news, watch the blasphemous TV programs that plague this nation and then give you scriptures, still, you will not believe.

When I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, so that you do not take part in her sins, and so that you do not share in her plagues; for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities." —Revelation 18:4-5

This is a warning from God, our Father and a warning from the Lord Jesus Christ, BABYLON WILL FALL, and He is saying COME OUT OF HER.

One day it will be too late. One day the nations of this world will rise up together to destroy her with FIRE and NOTHING will stop it.

The word "apocalypse" comes from the Greek word meaning "to remove the veil." It suggests that "ordinary" reality is separated from a different reality, a "God's-eye" perspective on the present that is normally hidden. The image is not that of a brick wall, but of a thin, filmy gauze. Just beyond our perception lies an entirely different view. Apocalyptic writing refers to this perspective as "heaven." A major problem in the prophecy readings of apocalyptic literature is the confusion of the normal time-and-space language of daily life with the metaphorical imagery of apocalyptic thought. A reader of Revelation who attempts to construct a literal world from its swirling visions of past and future, heaven and earth, must either ignore the paradoxes or twist the text into bizarre scenarios. John, though, expects his audience to be familiar with the conventions of apocalyptic literature, which means understanding that "heaven" is not either in the sky or after death but co-present with daily life, hidden only by a veil.

John's authority comes not from being a famous apostle or holding some ecclesial office, but from the power of his vision and his sharing in his audience's suffering (Revelation 1:9-11). He is one of them, distinguished only by the wisdom he has been given as a gift from "heaven." Like Daniel before him, John offers his listeners a God's-eye perspective on their situation that is otherwise unavailable to them.

Holy, Holy, Holy

The major theme of Revelation is simple but terrifying in its implications: Worship God! (Revelation 19:10, 22:9). As a Christian text, John's vision adds one element to this basic biblical injunction: "'To the one seated on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!' And the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' And the elders fell down and worshiped" (Revelation 5:13-14). It is God and the crucified Lamb who are worthy of worship. The consequence, of course, is that neither angels nor demons, emperor nor emporium are to share as recipients in that worship.

The command to worship God alone goes back to the Deuteronomic prayer, the Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4-6), which Israelites were to recite incessantly to remind them of their covenant commitment. How hard it is to practice this "simple" commandment! For Israelites and for Christians, the greatest temptation is to forego exclusive worship of Yahweh in favor of the desire to be loved and accepted by one's neighbors and other citizens. Whether struggling over monarchy (1 Samuel 8), honor (Luke 14:12-14), family (Mark 3:32-35), or money (Mark 10:17-27), the urge to do the socially acceptable thing rather than to stand out from the crowd has been a perennial problem for biblical people.

John's audience faced this struggle in the context of the imperial cult practices of their Asian cities. The command he received from the angel was to "write in a book what you see"—remove the veil that had allowed the Asian Christians to accommodate to the Empire's dominant culture. The effect of lifting the veil was powerful. What had seemed like simple, daily life choices were revealed to be aspects of a cosmic battle between the angels of Satan and those of God. To collaborate with Roman ways was not an innocuous act, but an act of intercourse with a prostitute (Babylon). In place of citizenship in a degraded city filled with violence and greed, John's vision offered his audience an alternative residence: New Jerusalem "coming down from heaven" (Revelation 21:2, 10). We cannot forget that this choice was not then and is not now between "earth" and "heaven" in the mundane sense of "this life" and "afterlife." The apocalyptic form tells us that John is presenting the Asian Christians with an option that confronts them each moment of their lives. To which "city" will they give allegiance: the prostitute, Babylon, or the bride, New Jerusalem?

FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, many of Revelation's otherwise difficult symbols make sense. Throughout the text, John ruthlessly mocks imperial pretensions to ultimacy by caricaturing the Empire as a shameless harlot who imagines herself to be beautiful (Revelation 17:3-5, for example). Despite the apparent power of Rome's military and economic might, John says, "she" is just another street hooker, trying desperately to lure people into her control. Why consort with such a foul creature, John says, when one can choose the "bride" adorned with divine glory?

To the ordinary eye, John's vision is ridiculous. The Empire holds the real power. When Jesus tried to resist it, he was mocked, tortured, and crucified. Such will be the fate of any who dare to stand against the brutal logic of imperial "persuasion." And indeed, John does not deny that Jesus' followers will likely be subject to the same "honor." This is precisely where the apocalyptic perspective calls one to see beyond the surface of life to the reality hidden just behind the veil. In the end, all empires—Babylon's, Rome's, and today's global capital empire—will fall and return to dust. It is God alone whose strength is enduring.

And thus one finds that the cardinal apocalyptic virtue is endurance (Greek, hupomene); active, public resistance that does not shrink in the face of imperial threats and punishments. To endure is to remain faithful, to stick to one's baptismal commitment to offer worship only to God and to the slaughtered Lamb, the only one found "worthy" to open and read the scroll of history (Revelation 5:2-12). Jesus "read" the history of Israel and understood what no one else did: The Empire is not to be compromised with, accommodated to, or fought against with weapons of destruction. Rather, Jesus defeats the Beast with the two weapons God provides: The "sword" from his mouth (Revelation 1:16, 2:16) and his faithful witness (Revelation 1:5, 3:14).

To become a citizen of New Jerusalem is to follow in these footsteps.
As always, the "sharp, two-edged sword" of God's Word does not offer easy comfort. Instead, it calls us to repentance, resistance, and trust that, despite all appearances to the contrary, the world is in the hands of a good and loving God who reaches out to say, "I will be their God and they will be my children" (Revelation 21:7).

Anti-Christ will sit in the seat of political power, ruling the world through terror and dictatorship.

Christ will return to rule with a rod of iron.

I only pray you are found faithful and ready to face Christ. For none of us are promised tomorrow.

Mock YHWH?

We shall see!!!!!!

Dear brother Warrior4ChristAL,
Your zeal excedes your wisdom. I am convinced of your thesis that Mystery Babylon the Great is, the Jesuit directed, United States of America, financed by good intentioned, Kabbalistic Jewish merchants, and Reformed Church lawyers.

But I am also convinced that Satan has entered into the picture through the pride these men had in their classical education when most Americans could not read or write.
Your own study can also be used by Satan when you come down too hard.

By they way why dont you call our father Abba unstead of using 4 hebrew letters?
It makes you sound a bit cultic.

The scribes or lawyers are as a rule an arrogent bunch and decieve for money. There are exceptions but they are few and most likely poor.
The occult symbols have no power in themselves.
The United States is falling as have all other governments created by men.
with love in Christ
brother daniel

Warrior4ChristAL · Jul 8, 2006

brother daniel said:
Dear brother Warrior4ChristAL,
Your zeal excedes your wisdom. I am convinced of your thesis that Mystery Babylon the Great is, the Jesuit directed, United States of America, financed by good intentioned, Kabbalistic Jewish merchants, and Reformed Church lawyers.

But I am also convinced that Satan has entered into the picture through the pride these men had in their classical education when most Americans could not read or write.
Your own study can also be used by Satan when you come down too hard.

By they way why dont you call our father Abba unstead of using 4 hebrew letters?
It makes you sound a bit cultic.

The scribes or lawyers are as a rule an arrogent bunch and decieve for money. There are exceptions but they are few and most likely poor.
The occult symbols have no power in themselves.
The United States is falling as have all other governments created by men.
with love in Christ
brother daniel

Why would I call my Father ABBA online. Daddy is a personal position in MY LIFE and I use it with Him alone. I'm sorry if that is offensive to you.

I use to only call Him God, now I call Him YHWH because that is HIS NAME.

While I can agree that my zeal, my passion is for HIM ALONE, I have never been accused of being "cultish" in my worship, ministry, walk with Christ, so forgive me if I laugh at your assumptions of me.

And . . . just for the record, I am a SISTER, not a BROTHER, if that also is not offensive to you.

I am not use to being called "mentally ill" or "sick" when presenting the Scriptures, so forgive me that I am all too human. I haven't achieved perfection yet, but I'm working on it.

My zeal comes from being radically changed by a Living God. Sorry if that is offensive.

My wisdom in spiritual things often clouds my "people skills". I spend most of my walk with Christ on my knees and in direct communion with Him.

As far as the subject matter, when people mock God, mock His Word or even for that matter mock His Children, yes, I get offended. Again, I am not totally unemotional yet.

People have the right to disagree, but to slam others while you are doing it, yes I have a problem with it.

And part of my zeal comes from knowing my enemy, Satan, upclose and personal. And Ba'al use to be my master, lord and husband before I gave myself to Adonai, through Christ Jesus.

I am sorry that God's name is offensive to you. When I speak to others I mostly call Him YHWH because that makes Him more personal than just saying "God".

When I minister healing and deliverance to those He sends my way, I often refer to Him as Daddy or Abba, as you so like to say, however, I would say that demanding a person to use Abba when discussing Scripture is really out of context. You cannot even ask me to call HIM Daddy since you are NOT MY DADDY.

My relationship with God, the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit is a very personal one. And unless you want intimacy with me, I stay very much detached on forums with strangers and mockers and Pharasees and blasphemers. Sorry, but that's just me.

It was my Heavenly Father that instructed me to refer to Him as YHWH. If you have an issue with that, take it up with Him.

Zadok7000 · Jul 8, 2006

Gen 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Gen 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
Gen 17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
Gen 17:4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
Gen 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Gen 28:10 And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran.
Gen 28:11 And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep.
Gen 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.
Gen 28:13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;
Gen 28:14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
Gen 28:15 And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of.

Gen 48:1 And it came to pass after these things, that one told Joseph, Behold, thy father is sick: and he took with him his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim.
Gen 48:2 And one told Jacob, and said, Behold, thy son Joseph cometh unto thee: and Israel strengthened himself, and sat upon the bed.
Gen 48:3 And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,
Gen 48:4 And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.
Gen 48:5 And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in the land of Egypt before I came unto thee into Egypt, are mine; as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine.
Gen 48:6 And thy issue, which thou begettest after them, shall be thine, and shall be called after the name of their brethren in their inheritance.
Gen 48:7 And as for me, when I came from Padan, Rachel died by me in the land of Canaan in the way, when yet there was but a little way to come unto Ephrath: and I buried her there in the way of Ephrath; the same is Bethlehem.
Gen 48:8 And Israel beheld Joseph's sons, and said, Who are these?
Gen 48:9 And Joseph said unto his father, They are my sons, whom God hath given me in this place. And he said, Bring them, I pray thee, unto me, and I will bless them.
Gen 48:10 Now the eyes of Israel were dim for age, so that he could not see. And he brought them near unto him; and he kissed them, and embraced them.
Gen 48:11 And Israel said unto Joseph, I had not thought to see thy face: and, lo, God hath shewed me also thy seed.
Gen 48:12 And Joseph brought them out from between his knees, and he bowed himself with his face to the earth.
Gen 48:13 And Joseph took them both, Ephraim in his right hand toward Israel's left hand, and Manasseh in his left hand toward Israel's right hand, and brought them near unto him.
Gen 48:14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn.
Gen 48:15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,
Gen 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
Gen 48:17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
Gen 48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
Gen 48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
Gen 48:20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

NumberOneSon · Jul 8, 2006

Warrior4ChristAL said:
But China is a communist nation, not a Christian one.

Neither is America. It's just a country with Christians in it....as is every other nation in the world (China is purported to have anywhere between 80-100 million Christians in it). There has only ever been one true theocracy, and that was ancient Israel.

I just took issue with your assertion that "we are the #1 nation in the world that murder babies by the millions", because America certainly is not.

Warrior4ChristAL said:
Heathens will be heathens.

And the "heathens" in this country are the ones who support abortion in this country.

As I recall, the Old Testament recorded numerous prophecies of judgment against "heathen" nations because of their sin, so you can't dismiss China just because it was not "founded" on Christian principles.

Warrior4ChristAL said:
That is NOT EXCUSE for a nation claiming to be birthed out of Christianity.

This nation was birthed out of the Constitution, a document that protects freedom of religion...a concept which is completely opposed to the principles of theocracy. America was never a Christian theocracy, and is no more deserving of judgment than any other political entity containing sin.

Warrior4ChristAL said:
I may be offbase with numbers, lady, but NOT with fact.

But the wrong numbers made your fact offbase. That's my point. And I'm not a lady. The male icon in the upper left part of my profile makes that pretty clear.

Warrior4ChristAL said:
Why should we expect a communist nation to have morals when the CHRISTIANS don't?

The people supporting abortions in this country are not Christian. Christians in this nation hate abortion and support legislation banning it. It's the unbelievers who do not have morals, not the Christians in America.

Warrior4ChristAL said:
Murder by choice. Real HOLY!!!

How about slavery by choice? When America was founded, it legally allowed millions of Africans and other minorities to be bought and sold like cattle. And the genocide of millions of Native Americans was also tolerated. To me, those sins were just as grievious as abortion. So much for America's "Christian" foundation; this nation's birth contained as much sin as it does today...the sin just has different names then it did back in the old days.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

brother daniel · Jul 8, 2006

Bless you sister Warrior4ChristAL,
We are now before the judgement seat of OUR FATHER.

Warrior4ChristAL said:
Why would I call my Father ABBA online. Daddy is a personal position in MY LIFE and I use it with Him alone. I'm sorry if that is offensive to you.

I use to only call Him God, now I call Him YHWH because that is HIS NAME..

Nothing you write is offensive to me, I love you and all who come to this forum.

Remember a soft answer turneth away wrath.
The subject, America is Mystery Babylon the GREAT, is a hard one for many to deal with . In my own life I have found the SPIRIT OF AMERICA to be the hardest one to overcome within myself.

When you hammer that OUR FATHERS name is YHWH you are levening confusion because our conversation is in English not Hebrew.

Warrior4ChristAL said:
And . . . just for the record, I am a SISTER, not a BROTHER, if that also is not offensive to you.
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In the spirit there is nether male or female Jew or gentile.

Likewise OUR FATHER has no preferance for the HEBREW or English language, its according to our faith

Warrior4ChristAL said:
I am not use to being called "mentally ill" or "sick" when presenting the Scriptures, so forgive me that I am all too human. I haven't achieved perfection yet, but I'm working on it.
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As you preach and teach in this outer court, you will be called every thing Jesus was called. Just remember the Holy Spirit says, take it silently as Jesus did. Dont answer a false or foolish accusation.

Warrior4ChristAL said:
My zeal comes from being radically changed by a Living God.
My wisdom in spiritual things often clouds my "people skills"
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Jesus Christ is the Wisdom of God, OUR "people skills" are only clouded by Satans, spiritual pride, when we assume WE are right and they are wrong.

Warrior4ChristAL said:
As far as the subject matter, when people mock God, mock His Word or even for that matter mock His Children, yes, I get offended. Again, I am not totally unemotional yet..

Jesus is very emotional.He wept for Jerusalem.
Our father can take care of him self, HE knows who is mocking and why

Warrior4ChristAL said:
People have the right to disagree, but to slam others while you are doing it, yes I have a problem with it.

And part of my zeal comes from knowing my enemy, Satan, upclose and personal. And Ba'al use to be my master, lord and husband before I gave myself to Adonai, through Christ Jesus.
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Now you slip into using the Hebrew Adoni for OUR FATHER.
Do you speak Hebrew?

Warrior4ChristAL said:
I am sorry that God's name is offensive to you.
When I minister healing and deliverance to those He sends my way, I often refer to Him as Daddy or Abba, as you so like to say, however, I would say that demanding a person to use Abba when discussing Scripture is really out of context. You cannot even ask me to call HIM Daddy since you are NOT MY DADDY.

My relationship with God, the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit is a very personal one. And unless you want intimacy with me, I stay very much detached on forums with strangers and mockers and Pharasees and blasphemers. Sorry, but that's just me.

It was my Heavenly Father that instructed me to refer to Him as YHWH. If you have an issue with that, take it up with Him.

Sister I would encourage you to pray before you respond. Your quick responses dull your sword and cloud your message that The United States is Mystery Babylon the Great. This is an End time, last days warning for those who need oil in their lamps.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 8, 2006

Remember a soft answer turneth away wrath.
The subject, America is Mystery Babylon the GREAT, is a hard one for many to deal with . In my own life I have found the SPIRIT OF AMERICA to be the hardest one to overcome within myself.

When you hammer that OUR FATHERS name is YHWH you are levening confusion because our conversation is in English not Hebrew.

Then why not focus on the Spirit of God and get that flowing to those in the US and around the World? :wave:

If only the Jews and Muslims would read and study the book of Revelation. Sigh. :wave:

Jeremiah 1: How empty is the city! It used to be full of people. Now it is like a lonely widow. People in other nations used to consider it a great city. It was like the queen of all the country. Now it is like a slave.

Matt 23:38 "See! Your house is left to you a wilderness;

Lamentations 4:12 The kings of the earth, And all inhabitants of the world, Would not have believed That the adversary andthe enemy Could enter the gates of Jerusalem --

brother daniel · Jul 8, 2006

LittleLambofJesus said:
Then why not focus on the Spirit of God and get that flowing to those in the US and around the World?

If only the Jews and Muslims would read and study the book of Revelation. Sigh.

Jeremiah 1: How empty is the city! It used to be full of people. Now it is like a lonely widow. People in other nations used to consider it a great city. It was like the queen of all the country. Now it is like a slave.

Matt 23:38 "See! Your house is left to you a wilderness;

Lamentations 4:12 The kings of the earth, And all inhabitants of the world, Would not have believed That the adversary andthe enemy Could enter the gates of Jerusalem --

Beloved,
This forum is visited by many from all over the world.
The scientific elite of every nation view fundamentelists of every religion to be a threat.

The internet was created as a weapon and every post we make is monitered by the newly privitized, ECHALON SYSTEM, Of The UNITED STATES, BRITAIN, and AUSTRALIA.

It appears that christianforums.com is mounted in Australia and monitered by the ecuminical, Roman Catholic Church, to see that it stays politicly correct.

The point is OUR FATHER, along with Satan, the spirit of the air and this world, is as aware of what we are posting as were the lawyer scribes when Jesus taught publicly in the outer court of the Temple..

I INCOUNTER iSLAMICS AND jEWS every summer day, in our little Catskill community of Bethel.
The challange is to stay in the spirit and relate to them as Jesus did. Being an example of his power and truth with kindness.

People from every nation are attracted to "THE BIG APPLE", New York City, and surrounding communities.

Of course The United States is Mystery Babylon the Great,Mother of Harlots and all Abominations. Thats why we have THE BIG APPLE to tempt all who would turn from or reject the gospel of Jesus Christ.

If we as a nation dont REPENT and act upon the words of Jesus, you can be sure no other nation will.

Its up to you and I, how we conduct ourselves on this internet WORLD STAGE.
With love in Christ
brother daniel

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 8, 2006

People from every nation are attracted to "THE BIG APPLE", New York City, and surrounding communities.

Of course The United States is Mystery Babylon the Great,Mother of Harlots and all Abominations. Thats why we have THE BIG APPLE to tempt all who would turn from or reject the gospel of Jesus Christ.

If that is your Biblical view, who am I to say anything.

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Ezkeiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD.

brother daniel · Jul 9, 2006

LittleLambofJesus said:
If that is your Biblical view, who am I to say anything.

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Ezkeiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD.

It would seem that the kingdom of God was taken away from the Jews and given to what nation?

Ethnos, a race, a tribe, non Jewish, pagan, gentiles.
That is the scattered tribes of the lost sheep of Israel.

And where do we find the most tribes of every nation in one place one place? The United States of America, MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE GREAT harlot AND MOTHER OF ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

IT is this pagen nation of the United States that has supplied the forces to build the anti-Christ state of Zionist Israel and controls Jerusalem of this world.
However Spiritual Israel and Spiritual Jerusalem live, the KINGDOM OF GOD, within us in the form of Jesus Christ, OUR FATHER, and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh
with love in Christ
brother Daniel

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 9, 2006

If that is your Biblical view, who am I to say anything.

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Ezkeiel 39:12 "For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 "Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified," says the Lord GOD.

brother daniel said:
It would seem that the kingdom of God was taken away from the Jews and given to what nation?

Ethnos, a race, a tribe, non Jewish, pagan, gentiles.
That is the scattered tribes of the lost sheep of Israel.

And where do we find the most tribes of every nation in one place one place? The United States of America, MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE GREAT harlot AND MOTHER OF ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

IT is this pagen nation of the United States that has supplied the forces to build the anti-Christ state of Zionist Israel and controls Jerusalem of this world.
However Spiritual Israel and Spiritual Jerusalem live, the KINGDOM OF GOD, within us in the form of Jesus Christ, OUR FATHER, and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh
with love in Christ
brother Daniel

Can't argue with that. Difficult to enter God's "House" unless it is in the "Spirit".

Mark 11:17 Then He taught, saying to them, "Is it not written, 'My House shall be called a house of prayer for all nations'? But you have made it a 'den of thieves.' "

zech 14:21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite/merchant in the House of the LORD of hosts.

Warrior4ChristAL · Jul 10, 2006

brother daniel said:
Bless you sister Warrior4ChristAL,
We are now before the judgement seat of OUR FATHER.

Nothing you write is offensive to me, I love you and all who come to this forum.

Remember a soft answer turneth away wrath.
The subject, America is Mystery Babylon the GREAT, is a hard one for many to deal with . In my own life I have found the SPIRIT OF AMERICA to be the hardest one to overcome within myself.

When you hammer that OUR FATHERS name is YHWH you are levening confusion because our conversation is in English not Hebrew.

In the spirit there is nether male or female Jew or gentile.

Likewise OUR FATHER has no preferance for the HEBREW or English language, its according to our faith

As you preach and teach in this outer court, you will be called every thing Jesus was called. Just remember the Holy Spirit says, take it silently as Jesus did. Dont answer a false or foolish accusation.

Jesus Christ is the Wisdom of God, OUR "people skills" are only clouded by Satans, spiritual pride, when we assume WE are right and they are wrong.

Jesus is very emotional.He wept for Jerusalem.
Our father can take care of him self, HE knows who is mocking and why

Now you slip into using the Hebrew Adoni for OUR FATHER.
Do you speak Hebrew?

Sister I would encourage you to pray before you respond. Your quick responses dull your sword and cloud your message that The United States is Mystery Babylon the Great. This is an End time, last days warning for those who need oil in their lamps.

With love in Christ
brother daniel

If you will observe the Strong's definition of Adonai it means, Master, Lord and Husbandman.

YHWH is extremely multifaceted. I do not "speak" Hebrew as the Jews do, however, the Lord took me on a journey 7 years ago concerning all the different names and functions of God in the O.T. I have various relationships with my Father in Heaven. Including Lord Sabboth, who is the Captain of the Hosts of Heaven. For me, they are ONE yet different. Adonai is my spiritual husbandman covering while El Elyon is my Father. So, yes, when I speak, I speak in detail concerning for whom I speaking about. YHWH is covenant maker and my ABBA in adoption.

If you would like to know about me personally then I suggest sending me a private message. I do not feel comfortable using the forum for answering personal questions.

And, God has created all of us unique. I do not apologize for being myself rather than a cookie cutter believer. While you may ask me to become something I am not, I will just dismiss that as ignorance and assumption. For our character is to be Christ-like, not our personalities. While you might find my brazenness a character flaw, I find that my boldness is a gift. Others have a difficult time embracing it and that's okay. Those that know me know for whom I stand for with every fiber of my being, while I may not walk around in a passive state as some might desire, I am still teachable when it is Bible.

I appreciate the advice, I will take it to heart, however, I will not change myself to conform to the image of others. I've stopped performing such acts to be a people pleaser. Hope you understand.

Phoenix · Jul 10, 2006

however, the Lord took me on a journey 7 years ago concerning all the different names and functions of God in the O.T. I have various relationships with my Father in Heaven. Including Lord Sabboth, who is the Captain of the Hosts of Heaven.

I've missed this - Who is Lord Sabboth ?

Phoenix · Jul 10, 2006

the Lord took me on a journey 7 years ago concerning all the different names and functions of God in the O.T. I have various relationships with my Father in Heaven.

I mean are we talking guided tour type of deal here ? And again who is lord sabboth ?

Warrior4ChristAL · Jul 10, 2006

Phoenix said:
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I mean are we talking guided tour type of deal here ? And again who is lord sabboth ?

I think I was quite clear. Sabboth is the Title for the CAPTAIN OF THE HOSTS OF HEAVEN. You know, "angelic army".

And, I was answering someone else's question. So sorry if you are not following in my response. I think Brother Daniel will know what I mean. If He doesn't, then perhaps it is him that needs to ask me to clarify myself.

Warrior4ChristAL · Jul 10, 2006

Phoenix said:
I've missed this - Who is Lord Sabboth ?

If you would like a study about the names and functions of God as compared to the Old Testament and Hebrew writngs, I will provide a link. For be it for me to deprive someone of learning more about our God, the Father.

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