I am not asking Him to follow any rules. I want to know why He created people just so they could go to hell. And you didn't answer my question.
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Does God know/see the future?
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I am not asking Him to follow any rules. I want to know why He created people just so they could go to hell. And you didn't answer my question.
Stop side-stepping, and answer my question. If suddenly every person who has 'chosen' hell vanished from existence, would that negate your freewill?
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He wants and doesn't want, he hates and loves, he's angry and gentle.
God is both. Don't you get it?
I want to stay on God's "good" side. You on the other hand choose to focus on what you call "the negative or bad".
We've already established your sense of morality is no better then God's.
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No, I don't. Are you saying that he wants people to go to hell, and at the same time he doesn't want them to go to hell?
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There can be no existence without non-existence.
God is the beginning and the end. He is forever. He is loving and kind. He is hate and anger. Thats what the freaking OT is about. Do you not understand? His anger and hate were shown to teach us about pain and hurt and punishment. The NT is about love and sacrifice and forgiveness. We no longer live by the OT. You can continue to live in the OT or by the NT, for which Jesus bled for our bodies to join us with God equally. To build a new covenant of life and hope.
Before Jesus came and died on the cross we sacrified something of ourselves to God for our sins. After Jesus we no longer had to do this for he sacrficed himself for us. There are two sides to sacrifice: giving and acceptance.
I choose both.
There can be no grace without law.
God is fair both ways. I know its a difficult to understand as I don't fully understand either. But God is loving and forgiving. But there would be no forgiveness without sin. There would be no love without hate. There would be no pain without pleasure.
Don't you understand?
All emotion is God. All existence is God. Everything is around God.
Tell me how you would understand the good if you've never experienced evil. It's not possible. Unless, as you propose, God made is into robots and implanted the "good" only into us. But then it would no longer be good would it? It would just be: "IT". How would a person learn in this way? It would just be "IT".
God wants us to learn and He wants us to know. I can't wait until he show me the "know" in heaven.
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If everything was perfect, there would be no imperfection, so there would be no need to learn about something which doesn't exist.
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Remember that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omni-whatever for a minute. If God is perfect that also means he can be lonely.
Tell me Neo. How do you settle loneliness if you are the only thing that exists?
Perfect means without flaw. Loneliness is not a flaw.
(Yes God could fellowship with himself too. But he wanted to share with someone other then himself.)
Heheh. But maybe God was imperfect before creation. Thats a unique thought. In the act of creating He made himself perfect.
Hmmm....
Tell me Neo. How do you settle loneliness if you are the only thing that exists?
Perfect means without flaw. Loneliness is not a flaw.
(Yes God could fellowship with himself too. But he wanted to share with someone other then himself.)
Heheh. But maybe God was imperfect before creation. Thats a unique thought. In the act of creating He made himself perfect.
Hmmm....
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Loneliness is an emotion which arises from an unfulfilled desire to be with other beings. But, since God is perfect and omnipotent, he would have no desires, and therefore he would not feel lonely.
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If everything were perfect, there would be no need to know about perfection and imperfection.
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I thought God created people to go to heaven because He wants people to go to heaven. Does that me He creates people to go to hell because He wants people to go to hell?
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This is not correct. God was never lonely. God was never anythign other than perfect. God is completley fufilled in his relationship within the trinity. Why did he create man? Not because he was lonely, but because it was good to do. God doesn't need us. He never needed us.
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So is God infinite or is the Trinity infinite?
This is a commonly faught argument especially by fellow Christians. Since when does perfection have anything to do with emotions or the lack there-of?
What scriptural reference are we to go off of that states God does not understand loneliness or never experienced it.
Tell me, how can God know emotion without experience? How can He pass emotion to us without the emotion being understood and held by Him?
I really do not understand how we can say God has never felt or knows loneliness yet still passes this emotion onto us.
And you are right. If God was completely fulfilled He would have never created us.
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