I'm so glad I found out the truth

KleinerApfel · Apr 6, 2006

I've had a horrible day, too many tears.
Face to face again with a prayer issue I can't handle, a need that is too great, feeling alone with it, seeing a person in denial, the frustration of knowing what they need and being too intimidated by their "status" to broach it.

And worst of all, knowing that I am facing the reality of testing my faith and finding it wanting yet again - do I actually believe that if I pray for this person to be healed then God will do it?

I guess the answer has to be something like; "possibly but not quite sure."
And that is based on what? Trusting the word of God? Nope. Just trusting my own, very limited, experience.
Why do I do that??? :doh:

But as I sat with my Bible pondering the issue this afternoon, I realised something precious, and I told my Father that even with this turmoil, I am still glad.
The alternative - to have carried on thinking He causes, allows, keeps us in sickness etc., is unthinkable to me now. What a breakthrough! :clap:

I might, (I hope not, but I might), live out the rest of my lifetime on earth and never see a healing take place, or worse, I might never dare to ask again, and the pressure of not living up to this hope that I have is sometimes unbearable.

But still, I am glad that a few months ago I found the truth, it's only us that can miss it somehow, never God, and so there is hope, there is remedy, there is always hope, and our wonderful God is good all the time. :clap:

He is the healer, He does not give us sickness, promote it or praise it, He is willing to heal. Always.

Thank you again to those who helped me through the past months as I began to discover this obvious truth that I'd been blinkered to for years. :wave:

Now I just need to keep going a bit longer on don't I? :groupray:

God bless you all, love Sue

Dondi · Apr 6, 2006

"Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown." - Job 2:1-7

Why did God allow Job to become afflicted?

"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." -2 Cor. 12:7-10.

Why didn't God take away Paul's infirmity?

Hint: Do you supposed it's for the same reason God allowed Job to be afflicted?

KleinerApfel · Apr 6, 2006

I'll let someone else answer your question Dondi - I don't really know what you're getting at, and I'm feeling fragile and not in a fit state to discuss anything other than burger recipes tonight...

Dondi · Apr 6, 2006

To put it in simpler terms, what makes you think that it is always God's desire to heal. I've given you two examples in scripture where He hasn't always healed. In fact, in both the above cases, God actually approved the afflictions. He did this to accomplish other purposes. The sicknesses were instrumental in testing and increasing the faith of both Job and Paul.

Not that He couldn't heal. I believe in spiritual healing. But it is not a guarantee.

I'm not saying these things to upset your faith in God. God may very well grant this healing you seek. In Luke 18:1-7, the prayers of the persistant widow were effective. James 5:16 says, "... The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

Believe me when I tell you that I say these things out of love. You seem to be racking you head and are troubled that God's healing hasn't appeared yet. Perhaps He has a higher purpose in it. While I have you continue praying for healing, you might want to pray also if this sickness might not have a higher purpose that the healing would suppose.

God will heal us of all our sicknesses....one day.

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Rev 21:2-4

KleinerApfel · Apr 6, 2006

This is not a thread for debating whether or not God wants to heal.

I posted here rather than SFPC precisely to avoid that hapening, and to maybe receive some encouragement. Seems I misunderstood something about the WoF forum then?

I thought you guys all believed God wanted us well?
If that is not correct, I'm sorry for my mistake. :sorry:

I will ask that this thread be deleted if it becomes a debate on whether God wants us well or not.

Trish1947 · Apr 6, 2006

Dondi said:
To put it in simpler terms, what makes you think that it is always God's desire to heal. I've given you two examples in scripture where He hasn't always healed. In fact, in both the above cases, God actually approved the afflictions. He did this to accomplish other purposes. The sicknesses were instrumental in testing and increasing the faith of both Job and Paul.

Not that He couldn't heal. I believe in spiritual healing. But it is not a guarantee.

I'm not saying these things to upset your faith in God. God may very well grant this healing you seek. In Luke 18:1-7, the prayers of the persistant widow were effective. James 5:16 says, "... The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

Believe me when I tell you that I say these things out of love. You seem to be racking you head and are troubled that God's healing hasn't appeared yet. Perhaps He has a higher purpose in it. While I have you continue praying for healing, you might want to pray also if this sickness might not have a higher purpose that the healing would suppose.

God will heal us of all our sicknesses....one day.

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Rev 21:2-4

If it wasn't posted to level someone elses faith, then what was their reason for posting it? How is anyone able to know what faith has been given to an individual concerning healing, in Gods word, that they would find it necessary to trash someone elses? We are so good at this, that I wonder how anyone gets edified. Sometimes when it comes to someone elses faith, it's best not to say anything at all. Some people refuse to see how their words might affect someone else.

Dondi · Apr 6, 2006

I hope God does heal. I hope God will grant you faith to move mountains. I have no idea what God's intentions are. Maybe God will heal. Then again, maybe He won't.

How many of you can say that God healed in every instance where there was a full expectation to?

How do you know that God won't glorify Himself and give you grace in your weaknesses?

I'm not here to tear anyone's faith down. On the contrary, I suggest God can glorify Himself in any situation. Yes, seek God's healing, but moreover seek God's glory. A soul might be saved as a result.

But if I'm out of line. I apologize. I just hate seeing disappointment over and over from people believe they who have all the faith to get healed, yet don't.

Trish1947 · Apr 6, 2006

Dondi said:
I hope God does heal. I hope God will grant you faith to move mountains. I have no idea what God's intentions are. Maybe God will heal. Then again, maybe He won't.

How many of you can say that God healed in every instance where there was a full expectation to?

How do you know that God won't glorify Himself and give you grace in your weaknesses?

I'm not here to tear anyone's faith down. On the contrary, I suggest God can glorify Himself in any situation. Yes, seek God's healing, but moreover seek God's glory. A soul might be saved as a result.

But if I'm out of line. I apologize. I just hate seeing disappointment over and over from people believe they who have all the faith to get healed, yet don't.

This forum isn't a debate forum if it's Gods will to heal. Those that post here, do believe it is God's will to heal. Your lurking in the wrong place, if you think you'll change any ones heart about healing. Now if you want to know about healing and why we believe it, feel free to ask any questions you like. We have posted dozens of times about Job. Lets flip a few pages over, and get to the risen Christ.

KleinerApfel · Apr 6, 2006

Thank you Trish.
Maybe this thread can stay on track now.

Sorry to have wasted your time Dondi.

God bless you both, love Sue

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Trish1947 again.

Dondi · Apr 6, 2006

Very well. May God bless you, The Lord is my banner. May God's healing be upon the one concerned. And God bless you, too, Trish1947.

I humbly bow out.

I guess Job and Paul weren't WoFers.

pdudgeon · Apr 6, 2006

Romans 4:18-22. This is a time when we need to stand on God's promises to us.

KleinerApfel · Apr 6, 2006

Thank you pdudgeon.
Simply reminding me of the things I know but forget when in a tailspin is such a help.

God bless you, love Sue

PastorMike · Apr 6, 2006

Jesus provided healing for the whole man... spirit, soul and body...
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Sometimes when we are in danger of missing a truth the Holy Spirit amplifies it for us in the New Testament...
Matt 8:16-17 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

God bless, Mike.

KleinerApfel · Apr 6, 2006

Dondi, I am sorry I was a bit tetchy there, I realise you were trying to be helpful and kind.

Mike, that is exactly what I now believe, but it has only been like that for a few short months, and sometimes it seems it hasn't permeated all the layers of my being somehow - skips a bit here or there. Misfiring or whatever. :o

I feel the deep down truth of it, but I haven't found the way through to operate in it yet.
Maybe there's a little wait yet?

Today I kept "hearing" the words from John 4:35 'Four months more and then the harvest'
except that my memory misquoted - 3 months. Hmm. :scratch:

Does anyone on here remember when they first began to believe this, how did you make the transition, had you been a Christian a while and then got this revelation, or did you receive it immediately on being born again?

I'm wondering just how hard it is, how long it might take, to destroy the old religious stronghold, (I really didn't want to use that word, but think it's what I need to say), telling me; "when you pray, probably nothing much will happen."

As long as a piece of string I guess! ^_^

Thank you for listening to me rambling on.

My church doesn't teach this, in fact I am now hyper-sensitive to even the "little" things they speak out that are anti. :sigh:

I am pretty sure that if I was to ask my pastor for support regarding the situation that happened today, he would explain to me that it may not be God's will to heal in this case.
Maybe I should give him the opportunity to prove me wrong, but I'm having enough difficulty shoving off my doubt without risking opening the door for someone to add to it.

I am so sorry, I can't really quite articulate what I want from this thread, I don't want to make long, long rambly posts, but that's exactly what I keep doing. :doh:

If anyone's read this far, you're a blessed saint indeed! :hug:

I'll go to bed and leave you all in peace now, but if anyone feels up to unravelling any particular part of this, I'll be checking back here in about 9 or 10 hours.

Good night, God bless, love Sue

franky67 · Apr 6, 2006

PreacherMike said:
Jesus provided healing for the whole man... spirit, soul and body...
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Sometimes when we are in danger of missing a truth the Holy Spirit amplifies it for us in the New Testament...
Matt 8:16-17 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

God bless, Mike.

Hi, Mike

I just posted those same scriptures, I used Isaiah 53.4 where it said He bore our griefs and sorrows, and in the very same King james bible, Matthew calls them infirmities and diseases. Matthew correctly gave the true hebrew meanings of the words.

I posted them on Worthy, and got Jumped on by the fundies there. They were saying the scriptures mean only spiritual healing.

franky67 · Apr 6, 2006

Dear Sue, Just keep praying for the sick, and don't give up, Jesus said we believers would, and that they would recover. Love, Franky

Trish1947 · Apr 6, 2006

The Lord is my banner said:
Dondi, I am sorry I was a bit tetchy there, I realise you were trying to be helpful and kind.

Mike, that is exactly what I now believe, but it has only been like that for a few short months, and sometimes it seems it hasn't permeated all the layers of my being somehow - skips a bit here or there. Misfiring or whatever. :o

I feel the deep down truth of it, but I haven't found the way through to operate in it yet.
Maybe there's a little wait yet?

Today I kept "hearing" the words from John 4:35 'Four months more and then the harvest'
except that my memory misquoted - 3 months. Hmm.

Does anyone on here remember when they first began to believe this, how did you make the transition, had you been a Christian a while and then got this revelation, or did you receive it immediately on being born again?

I'm wondering just how hard it is, how long it might take, to destroy the old religious stronghold, (I really didn't want to use that word, but think it's what I need to say), telling me; "when you pray, probably nothing much will happen."

As long as a piece of string I guess!
Thank you for listening to me rambling on.

My church doesn't teach this, in fact I am now hyper-sensitive to even the "little" things they speak out that are anti.

I am pretty sure that if I was to ask my pastor for support regarding the situation that happened today, he would explain to me that it may not be God's will to heal in this case.
Maybe I should give him the opportunity to prove me wrong, but I'm having enough difficulty shoving off my doubt without risking opening the door for someone to add to it.

I am so sorry, I can't really quite articulate what I want from this thread, I don't want to make long, long rambly posts, but that's exactly what I keep doing.

If anyone's read this far, you're a blessed saint indeed!

I'll go to bed and leave you all in peace now, but if anyone feels up to unravelling any particular part of this, I'll be checking back here in about 9 or 10 hours.

Good night, God bless, love Sue

You know Sue, if a person waits until they know that they know, probably nothing would get done. I remember the first lady I layed hands on and prayed for. I had just found out a few months earlier that it was Gods will to heal. I got a call from a women that had treated me badly all my life. She told me that her sister was in the hospital, and they found a big cancerous tumor in her stomach. The dr. was going to just send her home to die. She asked me to come and pray for her sister because I attened a church that believes in healing. I thought oh my, this witchy lady has all the gall, after treating me the way she did, to ask me to come and pray..but that wasn't really what was bothering me..I was thinking what if nothing happens? I'm new at this. But when all was said and done, I knew I had to set all this aside and just do what Jesus said to do. I could here that voice saying, your not ready for this sort of stuff, it's not going to work, you'll look like an idiot..blah, blah..why would God heal this mean womens sister.. I made every excuse for about 4 hours. Then I thought, can I live with myself if I don't do what Jesus said to do? Am I willing to possibly be made a fool of? So I went. God healed her instantly, you could see the tumor that showed through her gown, disappear. On top of that He healed a cursing lady in the next bed, that wanted us out of the room. Usually when we feel were not ready, or nothing is going to happen, or not worthy, is when God does His best. When we are weak, He is strong.

LittleRocketBoy · Apr 6, 2006

Sue,
To see the turnaround you have made is truely encouraging to all of us. To see a believer turn from doubt and unbelief and resolve to believe GOD! Most anti-faith people are hopless. They are like the Jews who gave the evil report and died in the wilderness. It seems there is nothing that can be done. A darkness is over their eyes and no amount of persuasion will bring them around to the place that the glory and power of God means that He is a good GOD! You have escaped the mindset that an all powerful God is one who stand by and let the devil harm you just to "win a bet" with the devil!!!! He loves you and you are not some pawn in an eternal glory game.
You are glorifying God for His goodness....
Your testimony glorifies God.

lovesblessing · Apr 7, 2006

Hello Beloved Sister Sue! :wave:

Let me see if I can explain this straight for you, so it'll make sense!

What I have been learning about living by grace, is this.......we must always be looking at Jesus. We are told in Hebrews to "look unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, and look away from all that will distract". Looking at ourselves and our faith is the biggest distraction there is.....and that is exactly where the devil wants us to focus....on ourselves......or him, and never ever on Jesus! Boo Hiss to the devil!

You shouldn't be looking at yourself, how much faith you have to believe for the healing for, you should be looking at how wonderful Jesus is, and how much He wants that sick person to be whole and well! How big of a price He paid in His own precious blood to bring about health and wholeness in peoples' lives.....look at the cross.......see the sickness and disease on His body......know that it was done and completed perfectly for you and whosoever will belive it! :amen:

All you have to do is take your hands, and slap them on the person and ask in Jesus' name for healing and His very best in their life. Jesus will do the healing, not you! You will have done your part, then just stand and expect God to do His! We have what we expect happen in our life all the time....it's just that so much of what we expect is negative.....guess who that is from?

Don't focus on yourself, focus on Jesus.....see Jesus in the finished work of the cross.....that He did all that needed to be done. Period. Every healing that ever occured from before the cross unto this very day, has been based by God on the perfect completed work that Jesus did at the cross for all! The healings before the cross rec'd their healings on credit of what would be finished there. It has always been by grace, thru faith......and even the faith is a gift from God to us. Because everything in the Bible is all about Jesus......from start to finish!

Think about the woman with the issue of blood for 12 years........the Word says, she had HEARD of Jesus.......His grace and goodness, how he was going about healing all who were oppressed by the devil......she was so focused on Jesus.....that she began saying to herself, that if she could just touch the hem of His cloak, she would be healed......so, when the chance presented itself to her, that is exactly what she did......she pushed her way thru the crowd, and reached out and touched Jesus's hem.......and it stopped Him! He turned around and looked at her and said, "Daughter, your faith has healed you!"

But was she conscious of her faith? No, she was only conscious of Jesus and His goodness and her faith came unconsciously.....because it was all based upon Jesus! Period! Not how great of faith she had, not how many times she had confessed it, not how much she had prayed, she was only focused and conscious of Jesus and His grace!

That is the place where most of the church world misses it. They are so focused on themselves and what they have to be doing, and believing and saying and thinking.....it's all about me, myself and I! Trust me on this, okay?

I know whereof I speak! LOL!

Having been there, done that, bought mutliple tee shirts......what a miserable thing it is, trying desperatly to change myself, when all the time......if I would stop looking at me and my problems, and start looking unto Jesus..... :doh:

Sometimes I wonder how dense I can be.....LOL!

There were only 2 people in the whole NT that Jesus said had great faith......the Centurian with the servant who was ill, who told Jesus to just speak the word and his servant would be made well, and the other was the woman who's daughter was possessed and ill......she is the one who said that even the dogs eat the crumbs from beneath their master's table....and then Jesus told her she had great faith.....and her daughter was set free and healed right then! Both of these people who had great faith, were completely focused on Jesus, they were Gentiles, not followers of the Law, but they had heard of Jesus and His grace and goodness and they believed in Him......not what they had done or not done.....

Keep you focus on Jesus......seek Him hidden in the shadows of the OT......and gloriously displayed in all His beauty in the NT......make it all about Jesus and watch your faith grow by leaps and bounds! :amen:

Much of His amazing grace and perfect peace to you.......

lovesblessing

PastorMike · Apr 7, 2006

franky67 said:
Hi, Mike

I just posted those same scriptures, I used Isaiah 53.4 where it said He bore our griefs and sorrows, and in the very same King james bible, Matthew calls them infirmities and diseases. Matthew correctly gave the true hebrew meanings of the words.

I posted them on Worthy, and got Jumped on by the fundies there. They were saying the scriptures mean only spiritual healing.

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities... transgressions and iniquities are sins and affect our spirit Jesus paid the price for our spiritual healing...

the chastisement of our peace was upon him... Jesus paid for our peace... peace in our souls, peace in our mind, will and emotions...

and with his stripes we are healed... this is physical healing in our bodies... he bore the stripes in his body that we might be healed in ours... God bless, Mike.

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