Terri Schiavo died one year ago today...

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WarriorAngel said:
O......so that's it?? The money...and we need results to spend the cash eh? WHY does money exceed the value of life, and usurp God's authority to be the only One to take it?


" Inconvenience" once again. As I recall the position of your church was unambigious: Terri should not be starved. Yet I see some Catholics here and on other forums defend the taking of her life. What is it with that? How does your church view those who participate in euthanasia?

(Apologies if I am incorrect on the Vatican's position. Every priest I saw on TV was opposed to removing her feeding tube)
 
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AMDG said:
All a living will does is tell the world that you WANT to be euthanized (just like the courts and this culture of death now want of you.) There is no presumption of life. (The presemption is that you want death.) I know, I tried to get a "presumption of life" clause put in mine. Not possible. Had to work around it. Don't remove...Don't remove...Want this procedure continued. Have to be both a medical doctor AND one from the future at that! (Since I haven't the foggiest what medical advances there will be in a year or two but right now I know for a fact that this culture is out to "get rid" of anyone it deems not "worthy of living".)

Of course, I DID succeed in putting into the document my intentions of having a Catholic priest at my end and having ALL the Catholic Sacraments (something loving Michael Schiavo publically tried to deny poor Terri). Now watch some court official try to say that I didn't REALLY mean...or simply "forget to follow". Any document is only as good as the person who interpets it (or WANTS to follow it).

Lord have mercy on us, we live in a "culture of death"! I'm sure the late Pope John Paul II knew that we were on a slippery slope and it would lead to this.

I think JPII lived by example as he gave an excellent example at that.

As far as Living Will it can make your desires known. I was told to take the CCC & have appropriate verses added to a living will along with my personal details. Have a lawyer look it over, get it as a legal form & give copies to all loved ones, medical doctor & priest.

I think the 'culture of death' is pretty much here to stay. It is up to us to do all we can to make people aware to make their desires known, whether certain parties on whatever side of the fence agree or not.
 
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Voegelin said:
" Inconvenience" once again. As I recall the position of your church was unambigious: Terri should not be starved. Yet I see some Catholics here and on other forums defend the taking of her life. What is it with that? How does your church view those who participate in euthanasia?

(Apologies if I am incorrect on the Vatican's position. Every priest I saw on TV was opposed to removing her feeding tube)

Catholics are not allowed to agree with euthanasia.
:) Sorry if you are misled.
 
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Cosmic Charlie said:
Hospice is generally for people who are going to die. Treatment to attempt to cure whatever they have is stopped, thus usually relieveing people of the stresses and physical debilitation of heavy drugs.

They are going to die and nothing can be done but to meke them comforable (with all the care that involves.)

But in cases were where the person is so severely disabled without much is the way of hope for recovery, hospice is also indicated.


Here's the obsence part.

The claim is that Teeri wss put into hospice to "warehouse" her. She wasn't really serverely disable without much hope of recovery, she was put into hospice so she would get worse. Or at lest not get better, even though she coule have if she wasn't is hospice.




Oh, and one more thing: Were dealing here with people who have dedicated thiere lives to the comfort and service of the dying. Don't ever (ever) refer to this as making a mountian out of a molehill.

Sorry hon, but in my state...ONLY the terminally ill are required for hospice.

Severly disabled ppl are put into nursing facilities if no one wishes to care for them in their home. IE parents or spouses.

IN fact, because Terri was not a patient whom was terminally ill, the hospice who kept her was under investigation for fraudulently taking her as a patient.
DARN it all, I forgot how much they are in trouble for...:doh:

I am looking thru all my records tho...:yum: Hope I find it. :crossrc:



 
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George Carlin did a good routine about pulling the plug...due to the language he used I will have severely edit and paraphrase what he said but it went like this...

"What's this with everyone wanting to pull the plug! People say all the time 'If I am ever like that pull the plug on me.' What kind of stuff is that! No way!! Get an extension cord for my plug!! I want everything you got, tubes, probes, cords, electrodes! If you find a hole that I didn't know was there...stick a plug in it!! That's the whole secret of life...not dying!! I figured that out alone in the first grade!"

That's always stuck with me LOL!
 
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The Hospice of Suncoast is already in hot water for receiving improper Medicare payments. See this link from the Dept of Health and Human services: http://oig.hhs.gov/oas/reports/region4/49502111.htm. Perhaps this should be brought to the attention of John Ashcroft.

Department of Health and Human Services
Office of Inspector General -- AUDIT
"Review of Hospice Eligibility at Hospice of Florida Suncoast, Inc.," (A-04-95-02111)
August 19, 1996

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:
This final audit report points out that Suncoast, Inc., a home health agency, received improper Medicare payments totaling $8.9 million for 176 ineligible beneficiaries. Another $5.9 million was paid to Suncoast for 118 beneficiaries for whom we were unable to determine whether a terminal illness existed at the time of admission to the hospice. These problems occurred because hospice physicians made inaccurate prognoses of life expectancy based on the medical evidence in the patients' files or because the evidence was not sufficient to determine that the beneficiary was terminally ill. In addition to financial adjustments, we recommended that the intermediary coordinate with the Health Care Financing Administration (HCFA) in providing training to hospice providers and physicians on eligibility requirements for hospice beneficiaries, and conduct periodic reviews of hospice claims to ensure the hospice is obtaining sufficient medical information to make valid eligibility determinations. The intermediary generally agreed with our recommendations and stated it is committed to working closely with HCFA to strengthen program procedures and controls to ensure proper payment of hospice claims.
 
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George Carlin did a good routine about pulling the plug...due to the language he used I will have severely edit and paraphrase what he said but it went like this...

"What's this with everyone wanting to pull the plug! People say all the time 'If I am ever like that pull the plug on me.' What kind of stuff is that! No way!! Get an extension cord for my plug!! I want everything you got, tubes, probes, cords, electrodes! If you find a hole that I didn't know was there...stick a plug in it!! That's the whole secret of life...not dying!! I figured that out alone in the first grade!"

That's always stuck with me LOL!

Well I might agree with him on that point, but I went to a show of his, and had to refrain myself from walking out.
His show centered around abortions and how we should ALL be allowed to abort..etc.
I didnt find him funny.

Not saying he didnt change his mind by now...but I was super upset being that I was sitting there pregnant.

:wave; I have read a lot more from him that I agree with lately.
 
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WarriorAngel said:
Well I might agree with him on that point, but I went to a show of his, and had to refrain myself from walking out.
His show centered around abortions and how we should ALL be allowed to abort..etc.
I didnt find him funny.

Not saying he didnt change his mind by now...but I was super upset being that I was sitting there pregnant.

:wave; I have read a lot more from him that I agree with lately.

I understand. I doubt he has changed his mind because he still continually insults Christians and Catholics and paticular. His new material isn't as bad on the religion bashing but his last CD he did before that was very offensive.

But there are some things he says and does that I find humorous and a bit truthful.
 
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poppinskw said:
God gives life and God takes away life, no one is given permission by HIM to kill or commit suicide, infact He forbids it.

Only God has that right, life and death are in His hands alone.

Les

Thank you for presenting the Catholic teaching, poppinskw!
 
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PetertheRock said:
I understand. I doubt he has changed his mind because he still continually insults Christians and Catholics and paticular. His new material isn't as bad on the religion bashing but his last CD he did before that was very offensive.

But there are some things he says and does that I find humorous and a bit truthful.

Yes, he did insult the Catholics quite a lot. :o Now I do remember that too. I wasnt having fun, wish I could get my money back.:sick:

Estafena Catholic means submission to the same teachings since and OF Christ...not our own decisions about morality.
There is no dignity in dying a slow painful and horrible death. One which wracks with pain and distorts the face.

:amen: Poppins.:)
 
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Matthew 25

31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. 32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:
36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. 37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? 39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? 40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.
41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. 44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? 45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me. 46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.

Peace!
 
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ProCommunioneFacior said:
:cry: :prayer:

http://thrownback.blogspot.com/2006_03_26_thrownback_archive.html#114380594147438979

One Year Ago Today...

Terri Schiavo, an innocent woman, died as a result of a judge's order permitting her husband to starve and dehydrate her to death.

In commemoration of her death, I am running on my blog today my Catholic World Report article from May 2005, titled "The Death of Terri Schiavo. This is the first time this article has appeared online. I hope, in reading it, that you will be reminded of how such a grave injustice was done, and the half-truths, deceptions, and outright lies that accompnied and justified it.


The Death of Terri Schiavo - Part One

This article first appeared, in slightly different form, in the May 2005 issue of Catholic World Report. Due to the size of the article, it is continued in a second post below.



If the courts had reconsidered the facts, if doctors had followed procedures, if reporters had asked obvious questions, if bishops had spoken out boldly - a gross injustice migfht have been averted.

On March 31, shortly after 9:00 AM, Terri Schindler-Schiavo died, as the nation, and even the world, watched. She died in the hospice bed to which she had been confined for over five years. Her death has been hailed as a victory for the "right-to-die" movement, and denounced by others as "judicial homicide".

As she lay dying, the media kept a grim countdown of the number of days she had been without food and water, and pundits opined on the cable news shows and in the newspapers about "death with dignity" versus the sanctity of life. Her death, and the circumstances surrounding it, was one commented upon more widely than most in modern history, and yet also probably one of the most misunderstood.

Terri's feeding tube was removed, as Florida Circuit Court Judge George Greer ordered, on March 18, shortly after 2:00 PM. Terri's family - her parents Bob & Mary, and her brother and sister Bobby and Suzanne - had been with Terri for most of the day. Terri had received her last feeding at about 11:00 AM. The Schindlers were told, by the police officers who maintained constant guard outside Terri's room, that they would have to leave. At this point, medical personnel removed the percutaneous gastrostomy (PEG) tube which had been providing Terri's nutrition and hydration for some 15 years. From that moment on, Terri would receive no water or food, and thus began the "dying process" which would end 13 days later.

For the first few days, Terri appeared more or less "normal". She continued to interact with her family, and appeared alert. But after 3 or 4 days, the change in her condition became noticeable: Her skin started to appear dry and lifeless, and she became less responsive. By the seventh day, the Schindlers were telling me, in our daily telephone conversations, that Terri had become "lethargic", and within a few more days, almost entirely unresponsive. Sometime around day 10 or 11 Terri suffered renal failure, which led swiftly to, and was the immediate cause of, her death.


The Last Legal Battles

In the weeks prior to the removal of Terri's feeding tube, and even while Terri lay dying, the Schindlers waged a legal battle to keep Terri alive. On February 25, Judge Greer ordered that Terri's feeding tube was to be removed three weeks hence. He also ruled that he would not hear any further motions or petitions from the Schindlers, except as they related to Terri's "dying process" and her final disposition. As the Associated Press reported:

The judge wrote that he was no longer comfortable granting delays in the family feud, which has been going on for nearly seven years and has been waged in every level of Florida's court system. He said the case must end.

"The court is no longer comfortable granting stays simply upon the filings of new motions," Greer wrote. "There will always be 'new' issues."​
The Schindlers, in spite of Judge Greer's decision to refuse new motions, nonetheless filed several in the week following Judge Greer's setting of a new death date. Among these were petitions for new medical evaluations of Terri, a petition to allow Terri and Michael to be divorced, and a request to remove Michael as guardian.

Initially, Judge Greer held to his stated intent and dismissed these motions without hearing their merits. However, when threatened with the prospect of a successful appeal by the Schindlers on due-process grounds, Judge Greer relented and allowed most of the Schindlers' motions to be heard and argued. In the end, though, the hearings made no difference in the outcome of Judge Greer's decisions. During the week of March 7, Judge Greer:

Denied the Schindlers' motion to compel Michael Schiavo's deposition in their case challenging his guardianship.

Denied the Schindlers' motion for a divorce of Terri from Michael. The motion was denied on "Catch-22" grounds: Under the law, only spouses can request a divorce from each other. Since Terri could not speak for herself, she could not request a divorce. Only Michael, as guardian, could make such a request on Terri's behalf. Needless to say, Michael chose not to.​
Then Judge Greer:

Denied the Schindlers' motion to remove Michael as guardian.

Denied the Schindlers' motion that attempts be made to feed Terri by mouth once the feeding tube was removed March 18. George Felos, the attorney for Michael Schiavo, argued against this motion by asserting that if Terri was fed by mouth, she might aspirate the food and die an "extended, gruesome death". This line of reasoning struck many as bizarre, given that Felos was seeking Terri's death via starvation and dehydration over the course of a week to ten days.

Judge Greer also denied the Schindlers' request that Terri be allowed to receive Viaticum (Holy Communion for the dying) by mouth. He ruled that if Terri was to be given Communion, it had to be done via her feeding tube.

He denied the Schindlers' motion to allow their daughter to die at their home, noting the parents could visit the Pinellas Park hospice where she lives.

Judge Greer denied the Schindlers request to have Terri's intact body interred: He confirmed Michael's order that Terri was to be cremated upon her death. He also denied the Schindlers motion to allow Terri to be buried in Florida. Michael intends to inter her cremated remains in Pennsylvania, where they are both from.​
Judge Greer's ruling against the Schindlers on the matter of feeding by mouth seemed the most indicative of his frame of mind: By precluding attempts, as a "last ditch" measure, to feed her by mouth, the Judge showed that his object was not merely to stop what he might (erroneously) argue is an "extraordinary" means of support, but to make certain that Terri died. One might make an analogy to someone on a respirator: frequently respirators are removed from patients, but sometimes they continue to breathe on their own without support. It is as though a judge were to order not only that a respirator be removed, but that the patient's mouth and nose be sealed with duct tape, just to make sure he can't get any air by any means.


Turning to Lawmakers

Following an unsuccessful round of appeals in the Florida and Federal appellate courts, the Schindlers' efforts turned to obtaining legislative relief. The Schindlers lobbied the Florida legislature to pass a new version of "Terri's Law", which had been struck down as unconstitutional by the Florida Supreme Court. But while the Florida bill seemed to stall, the Schindlers made more progress in the U.S. Congress, where measures intended to grant a new review of Terri's case had been introduced in the House and Senate. The measure introduced in the House, the Incapacitated Persons Protection Act, was a broadly written bill that would have given the right to a Federal hearing to a whole class of persons facing death by removal of nutrition and hydration. The Senate bill was more narrowly construed, providing relief to the Schindlers alone.

Americans were treated to a topsy-turvy public debate in which each side seemed at times to argue according to principles historically embraced by their opponents. Republicans such as House Majority Leader Tom De Lay decried the unaccountability and activism of our courts, while at the same time arguing for the passage of a bill which would bring Terri's case back before those same courts. Democrats, who have in the past defended intervention by Federal courts in matters of state policy, found themselves arguing for State's rights, holding the decisions of the Florida courts sacrosanct.

The debate over the bills went on past the removal of Terri's feeding tube, and indeed, it seemed at points that no measure would be passed. Bobby Schindler went to Washington to lobby for the bills in the House and Senate, and met with every single member of both houses. Congressional sources described Bobby as "very persuasive" in his meetings with legislators. In one meeting, as he laid out the details of Terri's case, audible gasps were heard several times as the members were told of the string of injustices and errors which led to her judicially-ordered starvation.

In spite of the Republican support and Bobby's persuasiveness, there was formidable opposition to passing a law to save Terri. The ringleader of the opposition to the Senate bill, according to Bobby, was none other than Senator Ted Kennedy, the senior Catholic senator from Massachusetts. It struck me as ironic that Kennedy, whose opposition to the death penalty is passionate, led the opposition to a law that would have given Terri the same right to a hearing as condemned criminals. The opposition in the Senate led to the adoption of compromise bill which gave relief to the Schindlers alone, and not the broader protection offered by the House bill.

In the early hours of March 21, the House passed Senate Bill 686, "For the Relief of the Parents of Theresa Marie Schiavo". This bill provided for a de novo review of Terri's case, meaning that all of the issues and facts surrounding her case would be reconsidered. This de novo review was essential: Although Terri's case had come before several state and federal courts numerous times, all of the judges' opinions were based on the same set of factual findings made by Judge Greer in his 1998 decision granting Michael the right to remove Terri's feeding tube. In that decision, Judge Greer ruled as a matter of fact that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state, (PVS) and that Terri had indicated a wish not to go on living should she become dependent on artificial nutrition and hydration. As I have written before, both in CWR (November 2004) and in Crisis Magazine, these ruling were arrived at in a manner which rode roughshod over rules of civil trial procedure, and with what seemed to be a blind eye to the mountain of evidence contradicting them. The problem the Schindlers have faced, as I wrote in a recent article at National Review Online:

is that in our legal system, once a judge has ruled on a matter of fact, it is very difficult to revisit such a ruling. Lawyers have a rule of thumb that trial courts hear and rule on questions of fact, and appellate courts rule on questions of law. It is unusual for an appellate court to overturn a lower court’s ruling based on errors regarding issues of fact.​
And so, at every turn in this case, the Schindlers had to try to undo the faulty rulings of fact previously issued by Judge Greer. They had to go back before Judge Greer himself and try to convince him that he was wrong, and should undo his own rulings. Judge Greer proved unwilling to do so. Higher courts were unwilling to overturn a trial judge’s rulings of fact and so, ruled against the Schindlers. The de novo review promised by the Federal "Terri's Law" held out the only hope.


A Partisan Struggle

As we all know, that hope was never fulfilled, as the de novo review never materialized. It was well known that many jurists took offense at the passage of Terri's Law, which they interpreted as a Congressional attempt to dictate how they should exercise jurisprudence. Speeches made by Tom De Lay and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist decrying "activist judges" and an "out-of-control" judiciary solidified the impression that the battle over Terri Schiavo's life had become part of a political struggle: Those on the right saw Congress as trying to check the abuse of power by unaccountable judges. Those on the left saw the ability of judges to enact social change by the exercise of their legal authority imperiled by Terri's Law.

The reaction in the judiciary was evident from the outset. Firstly, federal judges seemed to completely ignore the provision in the new law to grant the de novo review. The "fresh look" at all of the facts and issues of Terri's case simply didn't happen. Instead, the judges confined themselves to re-examining the issues of law, just as they would have if the federal legislation had never passed. But the direction that events would take was indicated by remarks made by a federal judge at the conclusion of the first hearing held after the passage of the federal law. Federal Circuit Judge James Whittemore declined to rule immediately on the Schindlers' request to re-insert Terri's feeding tube, pending new litigation. In a comment that seemed motivated more by pique than any legal considerations, Judge Whitttemore declined also to indicate when he would issue a ruling. He said "I will not tell you when, how or how long it will take."

As it turned out. Judge Whittemore declined altogether the Schindlers' motion, and declined to allow the re-insertion of her feeding tube in light of further appeals. This act set the tone for the judicial decisions to come. In several forays up and down the federal courts system, the Schindlers were rebuffed at every turn. The Schindlers' attorney, David Gibbs, announced on March 28 that their legal remedies were exhausted, and they would file no further motions or appeals.


Errors of Fact

Terri's fate can be seen, ultimately, as the result of Judge Greer's dubious findings of fact at the 2002 evidentiary hearings, at which he concluded that Terri was in a PVS, and that she would not want to live in her disabled condition. The facts were crucial in deciding Terri's fate, as the result of Judge Greer's factual errors was fatal for Terri. These errors filtered into the public debate as well: there can be little doubt that much of the press coverage and commentary simply did not get the facts right concerning Terri's case, and this stream of misinformation weakened pubic support for Terri's cause.

In my 2004 CWR article "Saving Terri's Life" I described how the mainstream media was often content, during the 2003 conflict over the removal of Terri's feeding tube, to simply parrot the characterizations of Terri's case presented by Michael Schiavo and his attorneys rather than actually question their assertions and dig more deeply into the issues. Unfortunately, in this last round of debate and controversy, little changed. Some news outlets, such as Fox News, did a reasonable job of covering the issues fairly, and giving the pro-life position a fair hearing. Some commentators and pundits, such as Fox's Sean Hannity, took on Terri's cause as their own, and became powerful champions for her life. However, much of the media were content to merely repeat or even amplify the "memes" about Terri's case.

(A "meme" is an idea which may have little foundation in actual fact. being the product of rumor, innuendo, or gossip. However, because the idea is in some way convenient or useful, it is picked up and spread casually without investigation, and gradually acquires a patina of truthfulness, simply because it has been repeated so often. Memes become pervasive ideas, and frequently have the power to change public attitudes and perceptions. )

There were a number of memes circulated regarding Terri's case and repeated unquestioningly by the mainstream media. Among these were the assertion, frequently heard on cable talk shows, that "12 (or 16 or 19) judges have heard the case and ruled against the Schindlers." This assertion was offered as an argument for accepting the decision to remove Terri's feeding tube as one arrived at responsibly. But, of course, the number of judges who agree with a decision is irrelevant if all those judges' rulings are based on the same factual errors. Which was precisely the case regarding Terri Schiavo. As related above, all of the subsequent rulings on Terri's case were based on the same fact findings made by Judge Greer, which findings were never re-examined.

Another meme frequently asserted was that "Terri was bulimic." Bulimia is an eating disorder characterized by "bingeing and purging", and can cause serious health problems. This meme is interesting in that it was often introduced as a way of "blaming the victim": the idea being that somehow Terri brought her situation on herself, and therefore deserved her fate. It is also is interesting in that it simply has no foundation in actual fact or evidence. The "Terri was bulimic" meme was the product of speculation offered by Michael Schiavo and his attorneys as to the cause of the cardiac arrest which led to Terri's brain damage. However, there was no talk of Terri suffering from bulimia or other eating disorders among Terri's family or friends before her injury. The assertion did not surface until well after Terri's collapse. Furthermore, there is no actual medical evidence of such a condition, unless you credit the circular reasoning employed by advocates of Terri's death: In this argument, the fact (true) is asserted that bulimia is a known cause of electrolyte imbalance of the sort that caused Terri's cardiac arrest. Then the fact that Terri suffered an electrolyte imbalance is adduced as evidence that she was bulimic. Such an argument would not pass Logic 101, but the power of the meme is that is unexamined.

I personally encountered the power of this meme during a radio talk show interview. In the course of the interview, one of the hosts brought up the assertion that "Terri was bulimic". I pointed out the lack of evidence for the assertion, and the fact that it originated in speculation. The host responded by pointing out that she had read this same "fact" in "a number" of published articles. I answered by describing that memes worked in precisely this manner, and by demonstrating the circularity of the reasoning. After all was said and done, she rejected my argument saying, "well, I have to go with what the published reports indicate rather than what one priest says."

Far more damaging, however, were the memes circulated regarding Terri's medical care and diagnosis. I frequently encountered assertions that all medical options had been exhausted in Terri's case, and that Terri had had the best of care. Both assertions were simply false.

The fact is that Michael Schiavo, as Terri's guardian, allowed no therapy or attempts at rehabilitation since 1992. He also forbade the physical therapy to minimize contractures and muscle atrophy that is commonly provided even for bedridden patients in a vegetative state.

Furthermore, the idea that Terri has had the "best of care" is belied by the fact that, for the last five years of her life, Terri was at a hospice rather than at a nursing home or hospital. By definition, hospices offer a lower "standard of care" than even a nursing home. Hospice care is intended for patients who are recognized as terminal; only basic nursing and palliative care is provided. Therapeutic measures aimed at improving a patient's condition are not offered by hospice.
I followed this story last year and God Bless her soul , she was a victim of abuse in my sense from her husband that had no right to be there ,and order things that were done to her in the hospice, tThats what i mean by ABUSE , He (micheal) should of BACKED OFF, and let the family deside what was best for Terri,He had a new life! ,There was a reason for him wanting to be there , I guess we will find out ,someday , but all i know that was Murder ! In My opion I also want to say that Jeb Bush tried to be her Legal Gardian , but most of all Fox News did the best job overall, My thought's and Pray's go out toTerri's Family , and I hope this never happens again.
 
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Estefana said:
But wait until it is someone you love, someone in so much pain, so much anguish with no quality of life who just wants that release from pain. Have you ever had to watch someone die that way?

Ahhhhhhhh, go figure.... the month is April...
My least favorite time of year until the 12th. :o

Estafena, been there...and wont get into it.
Excruciating doesnt seem enough to say. And I sought forgiveness in the confessional for my feelings deep within.

But suffice to say............ the situation is the polar opposite...we wanted our lil one {Nephew} to be allowed to live........... the powers that be on earth decided no.
 
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