Mandy, that's like saying -the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ are two seperate events, literally yes, yet they form the one whole redemptive act.
Great point, Davo! I think that's the idea P70 was trying to flush out in his posts, Mandy; the The "abomination" and the destruction of the Temple are seperate acts, technically, but they are two parts the
same "Day of the Lord" judgment, just like Christ's crucifixion and Resurrection are two part of the whole act of Redemption. So in a sense you two are both right...just looking at it from different ends of the spectrum.
I was just wondering if preterist totaly debunk the idea of the Jews still being God's chosen people.
The old covenant was with the Jews, they are the ones who will rebuild the temple, not christians.
Hi Gwyyn,
We don't debunk it, we just believe the Word of God teaches that, under the New Covenant, all believers are God's "chosen people". I'd like to ask you, for what purpose were the Jews "chosen"? And what were the conditions for remaining "chosen"?
Several scriptures come to mind immediately when considering your question.
Romans 2:28,29: "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
Romans 4:14-16: "For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all."
Romans 9:6-8: "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, THESE ARE NOT the children of God: but the children of the promise ARE counted for the seed."
From these scriptures, Preterists (as well as none preterists) believe that...
1.) A "
Jew", a "
chosen one", is not based on outward appearance, or circumcision, or the letter of the Law. Romans 2:28,29 establishes this.
2.) The "
heirs of Abraham" are not the people "
of the Law"(physical Jews), but those "
of the faith"(whether Jew or Gentile). Romans 4:14-16 establishes this.
3.) Children of Abraham's flesh (physical Jews)
are NOT "
Children of God", only the "
Children of the promise" obtained only through faith (whether Jew or Gentile). This means not all
physical Israel is of Israel, and not all
physical descendants of Abraham are Children of Abraham. Romans 9:6-8 establishes this.
Gwyyn, I hope you study these passages and their contexts well, especially Romans 9. The old covenant was for the Jews, and now that covenant has been fulfilled in Christ. Do you desire the Jews to build another temple and restart the sacrificial practices even though the old covenant has been fulfilled? If so, for what reason?
The promises to Abraham, Moses, and David are obtained only through
faith, not physical lineage, and God has indeed remembered and fulfilled His promises. The "
Children of the promise" are not physical Jews, as Paul himself teaches, but only those of faith, whether Jew or Gentile.
In Christ,
Acts6:5
