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DieHappy said:
So I would say, look in the PDR. Every single drug has a multitude of side effects. You say you don't want your children to be guinea pigs so you'll subject to them to two pages of side effects. At the very worst, most alternatives will be a waste of money. There are no downsides to most of them besides they might not work. But if they do, how much better off will you be?

At least we know what the side effects listed in the PDR are, and how common and severe we could expect them to be. And yes, we own a copy of the PDR and we use it before taking anything.

For herbs, homeopathy, and the like we really don't know half as much about the side effects as we do about traditional drugs. In fact, we haven't even the most basic regulation of the content, which may or may not be what it says it is (because they're not as strictly regulated and tested as traditional drugs).
 
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DieHappy said:
Good grief.
Herd Immunity - Your child is a danger to the community?

Has anyone ever said to you, "The reason why your non-immunized kid is safe is because everyone else is immunized" or "Your non-immunized kid is endangering other children"?

Herd immunity is a myth. If it worked then why do we see epidemics in highly vaccinated populations? The theory of herd immunity is that if 85% of the population has immunity then everyone else is protected from an epidemic. Well, look at how well herd immunity works:....


No, this is exactly what herd immunity means. You *can* have outbreaks even in 100% immunized populations. The reason you want to have 100% immunization is that it is not 100% effective, which is why even an immunized child is at risk when those around him are unimmunized.

The protection is increased when there are more "stopping points" i.e. children who won't catch and spread it because they are successfully immune. That's the whole point of "herd" immunity, because some will fail to become immune. It doesn't mean that *everyone* is protected.
 
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I have to admit that I was shocked at how many people are anti Vax. To be honest, I never really thought of not getting my kids immunized. They only immunization I even question my doctor about was the DTaP. My younger sister had seizures that were linked to the DTaP. It was either the T or the P part that caused the reaction. My mom refused to have the shot once she figured out that it was the cause. It seems that they have changed that part of the vaccine now and that risk is no longer as severe.

I am all for natural medicine. I take herbs for many diffrent things. The main ones I take are to calm my mood and keep me mello (as my husband says). I also rely heavily on so called Western medicine. I'm sure that there are "natural" blood thinners but when I am pregnant and have to be on them I want to be under a doctors care and will use whatever he suggests to keep my unborn child alive and well.

As for the dirt issue in earlier posts....
The kids can take a bath. The floors can be swept and mopped. God made dirt, dirt won't hurt.
 
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It's funny, but we used to not question vax's either. We got our kids vax'ed because that's what parents did, it's what the doctor recommended, and it (supposedly) kept them healthy. My 4 year old and 20 month old are both "up to date" with their vaxes. But, the more I read and the more I research, the more I am beginning to question their usefullness and their safety. I praise God that my boys came through all their vax's thus far unscathed. (sp?) I had horrible reactions to either the DTaP or MMR (can't remember which, but I'd get quite ill for a couple of days ... they used to have to halve the dose for me, which meant twice as many shots :(). My husband and I are starting to see that there is more to health and healing than a shot in the arm or a pill down the throat. We still see a "regular" doctor - actually we really like him because he won't prescribe anything unless it's absolutely necessary. He's very big on NOT prescribing antibiotics, so I know the couple of times he's prescribed them, they've been needed (I can't say the same for other members of the same practice we've seen). But I digress ...

The ingredients alone in vax's make me wonder why I'd ever want to inject them into my children or myself ever again. The mercury/toxic metals are just the beginning of it. There are some vax's with aborted fetus cell material ... some with blood/cell material from pigs (for me a major Don't Even Go There) or other animals ... formaldehyde ... the list goes on. The thought of injecting that stuff into my newborn baby is enough to make me run the other direction. Our bodies are so full of toxins and other crud; why put even more into them, especially the system of a baby with an underdeveloped immune and digestive system?

We are big on keeping our immune system functional at top form ... that includes much daily intake of probiotics, eliminating or greatly decreasing refined/processed food (sugars) from our diet, exposing ourselves to sun ... etc. We also believe that there is a wealth of knowledge out there that isn't considered mainstream by any stretch of the word, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have value or it doesn't work. Just for me, I feel we do more damage to our bodies the more "stuff" we put into it ... stuff being what western medicine is made up of ... drugs, inactive diseases, toxins ... in doing so, I feel we are moving our bodies further away from functioning how God intended them to function in the first place. Again, just my opinion.
 
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My children's doctor is also very good about not prescibing unneccessary meds. He is the first to tell us to wait ten days or so and see if the symptoms get better. I think more doctors need to be like this. My girls have thus far been fairly healthy. To me the vaccines are just another way to help keep them that way. I suppose maybe I should do some more research myself. Some of your opinions have been real helpful to me though. They really make you stop and think.
 
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