Survival of the Fakest

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nvxplorer said:
Is there an alternative translation to this verse? It is somewhat unintelligible as written. It doesn't say his tail is the size a cedar; it says he moves it like a cedar. Moves it like a cedar does what? Trees are incapable of self-locomotion, so the verse doesn't make much sense. Also, how do you know it references the trunk of the tree? It could very well be comparing the animal's tail to a branch blowing in the wind.


Job 40
17 It makes its tail stiff like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs are knit together.​

From the NRSV

 
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Lord Emsworth said:
Job 40

17 It makes its tail stiff like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs are knit together.

From the NRSV
Again, this does not address the size of the tail. Many animals can stiffen their tails, including my pet cats. How does this indicate a dinosaur?

And how do you respond to my statement concerning the lack of dinosaur artifacts and art?
 
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nvxplorer said:
Again, this does not address the size of the tail. Many animals can stiffen their tails, including my pet cats. How does this indicate a dinosaur?

And how do you respond to my statement concerning the lack of dinosaur artifacts and art?

You might want to check where you're pointing that post. ;)

Emsie was just giving you an alternative translation.
 
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Praxiteles said:
Likewise the Australian one. It is disconcerting to see the increasing number of Australian YECs posting here.

We seem to be letting our children down.

I both suspect and hope that it's a vocal minority, because I don't see any evidence of this level of YECism in real life.
So what if I flunked "Evolution" I did good in maths
 
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Praxiteles said:
You might want to check where you're pointing that post. ;)

Emsie was just giving you an alternative translation.
*smacks head*

Until I become familiar with the various members (I just learned what the icons meant yesterday), I need to pay better attention.

Thanks for the heads up.
 
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nvxplorer said:
*smacks head*

Until I become familiar with the various members (I just learned what the icons meant yesterday), I need to pay better attention.

Thanks for the heads up.

As they said in ancient Rome, nils perspirandum.

We all do it from time to time. A little bit of verbal friendly fire never hurt anyone.
 
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A4C said:
So what if I flunked "Evolution" I did good in maths

Too bad this isn't the Creation Vs. Mathematics forum.

Do you see a problem with your flunking biology class then attacking evolution as if you know it? I do.

These might help you:

http://www.talkorigins.org - Good Site
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html - Evidence for Evolution
http://www.gsdhelpline.com/genetics.htm - Basics of Genetics (very important to know)
http://www.health.adelaide.edu.au/Pharm/Musgrave/essays/flagella.htm - Interesting explanation of the evolution of the bacterial flagella
http://pandasthumb.org/ - News on evolution
 
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nvxplorer said:
Why would one need to attend school to learn about creation? Genesis 1 and 2 can be read in a matter of minutes.

You need to learn all the nuanced and subtle meanings behind the words and phrases, plus the historical context, the cultural imperatives and the narrative conventions.

Oh, wait: no you don't. This is a literal interpretation, after all.
 
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A4C said:
And You might do well at Bible school There is a good one in Melville St.

It's not about my success or otherwise at study.

But since you mention it, you're probably right. I did well at that kind of thing at both my church and Christian School. Neither of those bodies held to a literal Genesis, however.
 
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Back to my original topic!



The reasons Evolution is propagated are political and not scientific.
As once you expose the icons of evolution as fakes, the evolutionary Emperor is naked. www.discovery.org/articleFiles/PDFs/survivalOfTheFakest.pdf

For non-pdf ppl the html version (minus the pics) at:
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:...al+fakest&hl=en


It is clear that when confronted with the FACT that 'the best evidence for evolution' is all faked, all the evolutionist can do is resort to insults, and try to divert from the original topic. The pro-evolution sites links posted even use the fakes discussed in the Survival of the Fakest article, plus more fakes and more misleading nonsense.

I repeat:
If the 'other' evidence (that is not taught in schools) is so strong, then why do schools/museums still resort to using fakes that have been known to be fake for many, many years?



Answer: For political reasons and not scientific ones.


SURVIVAL OF THE FAKEST:

www.discovery.org/articleFiles/PDFs/survivalOfTheFakest.pdf


html version (minus the pics) at:
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:...al+fakest&hl=en
 
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Praxiteles said:
Thank goodness we have you to point this stuff out to us. Otherwise we might have missed it.
Praxiteles said:


Evolutions hinges on a few discredited icons? Well, I'll be! Oh wait.

No, it doesn't.

Evolution is supported by a vast number of streams of evidence.

Shucks. Better luck next time




So if "Evolution is supported by a vast number of streams of evidence" then why then do schools/museums/AND THE PRO-EVOLUTION SITES PEOPLE HAVE POSTED ON HERE, STILL USE FAKES and OTHER MISLEADING NONSENSE?



nvxplorer said:
I pointed out earlier, an article at Discovery Institute that was less than forthcoming. You should reconsider who is "faking" it here.



All of the pro-evolution sites are biased and misleading. I’m interested in people refuting the article, not attacking the website that it’s on.



So far NO ONE has been able to refute that if the evidence for evolution is so strong then why are schools/museums/AND THE PRO-EVOLUTION SITES PEOPLE HAVE POSTED ON HERE, STILL USE FAKES and OTHER MISLEADING NONSENSE?



P.S. Evolutionists turning purple when confronted WITH THE FACT that the best (and taught) evidence is FAKED does not count as a primitive specie.



www.discovery.org/articleFiles/ PDFs/survivalOfTheFakest.pdf

If not you can get the html version (minus the pics) at:
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:...al+fakest&hl=en





 
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FunkyBrother said:
Back to my original topic!

Certainly --- I'll take a traditional quote-mining approach, because creationists seem to respond to it better.

This is a good article for exposing errancy in school textbooks, but it does little to refute evolution. It begins by citing the embryo drawings by Ernst Haeckel.

Even Stephen J Gould in 2000 noted that "We do, I think, have the right to be both astonished and ashamed by the century of mindless recycling that has led to the persistence of these drawings in a large number, if not a majority, of modern textbooks."

Even one of the strongest supporters for biological evolution agrees with the author here. These drawings are mindlessly repeated in textbooks even though they have been shown to be false evidence.

The article continues and notes the Piltdown man - this was also revealed to be a hoax - false evidence NOT contradictory evidence. But even Wells notes that "Most modern biology textbooks do not even mention
Piltdown." So he backtracks a bit.

Wells mentions the finch beaks at the Galapagos and notes that "In the
1970’s, Peter and Rosemary Grant and their colleagues noted a 5 percent increase in beak size after a severe drought, because the finches were left with only hard-tocrack seeds." He then notes that when the rain returned the beaks changed back and "No net evolution occurred." No net evolution? So, evolution actually ocurred? Biological change over time?!

Of course! In fact our buddy Wells notes that "No one doubts, of course, that a certain amount of descent with modification occurs within species." His entire paper, however, is an attempt to discredit the theory of speciation within evolution. Yet he admits change within a species is possible due to environmental conditions (he accepts minute relatively rapid change in the finches for instance). I fail to see why he cannot accept that when an isolated population of single species developes in a seperate environment cannot change enough over time that it can no longer breed with the original species.

In short - Wells reveals false evidence for evolution beings used in textbooks. However, false evidence does not support or contradict the theory - the evidence is false not contradictory. ToE has survived this tripe... good try Wells.
 
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XSox said:
Certainly --- I'll take a traditional quote-mining approach, because creationists seem to respond to it better.

This is a good article for exposing errancy in school textbooks, but it does little to refute evolution. It begins by citing the embryo drawings by Ernst Haeckel.

Even Stephen J Gould in 2000 noted that "We do, I think, have the right to be both astonished and ashamed by the century of mindless recycling that has led to the persistence of these drawings in a large number, if not a majority, of modern textbooks."

Even one of the strongest supporters for biological evolution agrees with the author here. These drawings are mindlessly repeated in textbooks even though they have been shown to be false evidence.

The article continues and notes the Piltdown man - this was also revealed to be a hoax - false evidence NOT contradictory evidence. But even Wells notes that "Most modern biology textbooks do not even mention
Piltdown." So he backtracks a bit.

Wells mentions the finch beaks at the Galapagos and notes that "In the
1970’s, Peter and Rosemary Grant and their colleagues noted a 5 percent increase in beak size after a severe drought, because the finches were left with only hard-tocrack seeds." He then notes that when the rain returned the beaks changed back and "No net evolution occurred." No net evolution? So, evolution actually ocurred? Biological change over time?!

Of course! In fact our buddy Wells notes that "No one doubts, of course, that a certain amount of descent with modification occurs within species." His entire paper, however, is an attempt to discredit the theory of speciation within evolution. Yet he admits change within a species is possible due to environmental conditions (he accepts minute relatively rapid change in the finches for instance). I fail to see why he cannot accept that when an isolated population of single species developes in a seperate environment cannot change enough over time that it can no longer breed with the original species.

In short - Wells reveals false evidence for evolution beings used in textbooks. However, false evidence does not support or contradict the theory - the evidence is false not contradictory. ToE has survived this tripe... good try Wells.

You're babbling! Maybe he fails to see BECAUSE THE FOSSIL RECORD DOES NOT SUPPORT EVOLUTION.

You're still missing the point: "if the evidence for evolution is so strong then why are schools/museums/AND THE PRO-EVOLUTION SITES PEOPLE HAVE POSTED ON HERE, STILL USE FAKES and OTHER MISLEADING NONSENSE? "
 
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