Blackguard_ said:
I meant some mixed people I've seen that look black, asian etc. but have blue/green eyes. That looks very disturbing to me. I did not mean mixed race people in general.
I'm sorry it looks disturbing to you. It doesn't look disturbing to others, and if you don't find that combination attractive, then you don't have to date women who look like that. I don't date women with big noses, you don't date black women with blue eyes. Myself, I'd probably find that combination stunningly beautiful, but that's me. To each his own.
But that's the point, you see. You don't find certain races attractive. Fine, don't date them. There are plenty of white women around for you to date. What business is it of yours whether some of the rest of us like interracial relationships? By the time the races are thoroughly mixed, you'll be long dead and your descendants will know only mixed races. To them, a pure white or black or asian would probably be quite as disturbing as you find mixed-race people right now.
Blackguard_ said:
What part of America do you live in?
Texas. But your problem isn't that you live in the wrong place. Your problem is that you see people on the street with mostly white features and assume they're white; people with mostly black features you assume to be black; and you classify people with Asian features as Asians. What you don't realize is that most of those people are not in fact pure, but mixed. Every time you see a black girl with thin lips, or an Asian man with single eyelids, or a white boy with tight, curly hair, you're looking at mixed features.
Blackguard_ said:
Your preference is more "realistic" by which you seem to mean "more likely to happen" becasue it has might on it's side. If most people were against mixing and people wanting to mix were few, my freference would be more realistic right? So you are saying "might makes right".
No, I am not. I am giving you advice -- if your personal preference is impossible to achieve, you might consider looking for more workable preferences. But that's your choice, of course.
My issue with you is that you seem to think because
you find a certain look attractive, the rest of us should strive to keep everyone looking the way you think they should. If I find red hair attractive, it would be rather ridiculous of me to insist that people with red hair shouldn't ever marry anyone with blond hair, wouldn't it? If I were sensible, I'd date redheads and quit worrying about whether the pure redheadedness is getting diluted by other people.
Blackguard_ said:
That and diversity. Racemixing is anti-diviersity. Sure, in the short run there is a bunch of hodge-podge people, but eventually they would smooth out into a single race.
And see, this argument is ridiculous. You say that mixing the races will result in uniform appearance. If that were true, then why don't all Caucasians look exactly alike, and all Africans look exactly alike, and all Asians look exactly alike? Why is there such vast diversity within races, if interbreeding causes perfect uniformity?
No, ask any animal breeder and they will tell you that breeding for purity produces uniformity and unrestricted breeding produces wildly different features in the population. What you are saying flies in the face of all human experience with animal husbandry. If you choose to believe it despite all evidence to the contrary, that is your business, but it is not your business whether we marry outside of our races. If it's really so painful to look at, buy some sunglasses.
Blackguard_ said:
And for me personally, I simply find the white race the most beautiful, and it is only natural to want to preserve what you find beautiful right? So if I find a race beautiful, I must be opposed to mixing it right?
That's not true at all. I find canyons beautiful. Should I then promote the cause of demolishing all mountains and turning them into holes in the ground? Of course not. That would be ridiculous.
You are assuming that if you find something beautiful, it is your responsibility to make sure nobody else is allowed to find anything
else beautiful. You find people who look "pure" to you to be beautiful; others find mixed features attractive. Why, because you like "pure" features, is it your business to make sure that nobody displays impure features? Find beauty where you like, but that doesn't mean you're supposed to oppose and destroy everyone else's idea of beauty.
Blackguard_ said:
And there are probably people of all races who feel the same why aout their race as I do about mine, Beauty being relative right?
Ideally, people should find their own race the most beautiful whilr recognizing this is relative, not a supremacist thing. I know I can't force this view on anyone, but I think this would be ideal.
Why is that ideal? You
prefer your own race. That doesn't mean that all the rest of us do, or that "ideally" we would. What the hell is "ideal" about it? Can you defend your claim that it is somehow objectively "better" to prefer this illusory idea of "purity?"
Blackguard_ said:
Inter-racial couples are a very odd "I find your traits beautiful, therefore I'm going to destroy them" thing.
Utterly untrue. That's like saying that if a blond man marries a redhead, he's saying, "I find redheads attractive, therefore I'm going to destroy them." By your arguments, anyone who marries someone other than their identical twin or biological clone is committing a crime against his or her partner's genes.
Blackguard_ said:
Or do you want everyone to have one standard of beuaty which a single mixed race world would require?
As I said, your argument that mixing the races will result in perfect uniformity is absolutely ridiculous. If you wonder why, go look at a herd of wild horses. Take a moment to wonder why they look the way they do. Then go and look at a corral full of fine thoroughbreds. It might surprise you to find that the "pure" animals, the ones who have been meticulously bred and raised to have the purest possible genes, are the ones who all look exactly alike. You think the human race has diversity today? Wait until the races are all mixed. You don't even know what diversity
is, if you think
this is diversity and mixed races would be boring.
Blackguard_ said:
True, but did I ever say I wanted to legislate it?
Perhaps you do not. But you clearly want us all to stop mixing the races. Whether you want to do that through law or simply by arguing with us, it's still ridiculous and none of your business.
Blackguard_ said:
Yes, but again this is just "might makes right". You must have interesting arguments with enivironmental preservationists. "Experts estimate rare-bird-X will be extinct by 2050? You'd better stock up on bird-shot then. Why fight the inevitable?"
You're comparing apples and oranges, my friend. As I said, I'm not ascribing any moral value to aesthetic preferences, which is
exactly my point. Since there is no objective value of aethetics, it follows that each of us has a different view of beaty and that our views are all equally valid. I'm pointing out that most of us don't have your revulsion for mixed races. As such, our views are just as valid as yours (being, as they are, subjective), and it's not your business to say that we are wrong.
If you feel that by following our view of beauty we are destroying yours, I am sorry, but if we followed yours that would destroy ours. You do not have the right to demand that we give up our idea of beauty so that you may have yours.
Blackguard_ said:
http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/hh-fam/p20-537/2000/tabFG3.txt
Blackguard_ said:
Ah! Statistics! I apologize for doubting you. Well, it appears you are right -- there are more black man/white woman couples in America than the opposite. But I still am not sure what this is relevant to. I don't know why this is -- but there are still very many black woman/white man couples in America. What relevant information should I glean from these statistics?
http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/hh-fam/p20-537/2000/tabFG3.txt
Blackguard_ said:
Right, so if people should not bow down to my standard of beauty, why should I bow down to theirs?
Who said you should? If you want to date white women, do so. Nobody is saying different. But by the same token, why should we stop "mixing the races" just because you're afraid that you would find the human race less beautiful after several generations?
http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/hh-fam/p20-537/2000/tabFG3.txt
Blackguard_ said:
How am I am advocating their persecution?
You're suggesting that mixed couples are disgusting and disturbing. You seem to hope that the rest of us will share your view. If we do, then what do you suppose will happen to couples of mixed race? Do you think that they will be accepted, or persecuted? Knowing what I do of human nature, I'd say fairly confidently that if your views were majority views, people of mixed ancestry would be the target of open contempt and harassment.
You may not be outright suggesting persecution, but you are advocating views that will certainly lead to it if you are successful in convincing many of your position. From your own words, I suggest that you yourself treat people of mixed ancestry badly when you meet them. Are you friendly and accepting of a black woman with blue eyes, or do you turn away in disgust?
http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/hh-fam/p20-537/2000/tabFG3.txt
Blackguard_ said:
If so, it is a looong ways back.
Do you know that for a fact? And even so, what does that matter? You're still probably mixed.
http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/hh-fam/p20-537/2000/tabFG3.txt
Blackguard_ said:
Anyways you whole argument boils down to "race-mixng is inevetible, save yourself the frustionation of seeing inter-racial couples, people, etc, by agreeing with them" This is a might makes right argument.
No, that was not my argument, Blackguard. That was a small part of my post that was intended to give you some useful advice. If you find interracial couples disgusting, then you're likely to have a miserable life in that respect. But again, that's
your choice whether to heed my advice or not.
No, the part of my argument that is relevant to me, and is the point I'm trying to get across, is that all of us have a different idea of beauty. Your idea of beauty does not supercede ours, and so the only possible argument you could make for us to agree with your views would be, "It is
objectively better for the races to be pure."
But you have not shown that it is objectively better. Rather, you've shown that you prefer it that way, and to that I say, why should we care what you prefer? We prefer it differently, and this is a matter of
personal preference. Why is your preference so much better than ours?